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Car Forum / Kia Cars / April 2004

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2002 Sedona stalling problems

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shawkrn - 17 Mar 2004 08:54 GMT
Hi there... from what I can tell, I am not the only one dealing with this.  We have had our van 2 months.  Into the 2nd month, the darn thing began stalling on me when it was in drive, but at a stop.  It would immediatiely turn over, but as soon as you would put into drive... it would die again.  One person told me it was blowing out thick black smoke.  Needless to say, we took it into the dealer... their response... that it likes the cheap 87 octane gas.  And that the higher octane contained too much alcohol for the van.  So we changed our gas habits...

Two weeks later, same thing, stalled while at a stop light, on two occasions.  Took it back in... and for three days (it only did it to the mechanics once) they did all the usual tests and basically cleaned the throttle body and fuel lines.

 So today, while waiting for someone in park, with the engine running, it stalls.  When it turned over complete black smoke came out from underneath the van, leaving a nice black circle on the pavement.  Tried to put it into drive to take it back to the dealership, it stalled several times, once I got it to go... it got stuck in first gear and continued to blow out black smoke.  We had it towed, and of course, when it arrived at the dealership, it drove perfectly.

 So tell me this... is it the electrical system/computer?  the fuel filter?  the fuel injectors?  or what?  I hate this... I love my van... but I am getting really tired of this.  
Need Help, Shelly
Dude! - 17 Mar 2004 16:22 GMT
> Hi there... from what I can tell, I am not the only one dealing with this.  We have had our van 2 months.  Into the 2nd month, the darn thing began
stalling on me when it was in drive, but at a stop.  It would immediatiely
turn over, but as soon as you would put into drive... it would die again.
One person told me it was blowing out thick black smoke.  Needless to say,
we took it into the dealer... their response... that it likes the cheap 87
octane gas.  And that the higher octane contained too much alcohol for the
van.  So we changed our gas habits...

>  Two weeks later, same thing, stalled while at a stop light, on two occasions.  Took it back in... and for three days (it only did it to the
mechanics once) they did all the usual tests and basically cleaned the
throttle body and fuel lines.

>   So today, while waiting for someone in park, with the engine running, it stalls.  When it turned over complete black smoke came out from underneath
the van, leaving a nice black circle on the pavement.  Tried to put it into
drive to take it back to the dealership, it stalled several times, once I
got it to go... it got stuck in first gear and continued to blow out black
smoke.  We had it towed, and of course, when it arrived at the dealership,
it drove perfectly.

>   So tell me this... is it the electrical system/computer?  the fuel filter?  the fuel injectors?  or what?  I hate this... I love my van... but
I am getting really tired of this.
> Need Help, Shelly

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Geez! You'd think there was a GM engine in that van!  Glad I haven't had
this issue at all....

1. "...too much alcholol..." ??? Huh? Alcohol in gas? Um, NO. Unless I'm
really off-base, there is no alcohol in gasoline - only Octane and Heptane
with some additives to smooth out your engine and increase the "octane
leve". (They used to put lead here, but then eventually stopped.)   Roughly
speaking, 87 Octane gas is simply a mixture of 87% Octane and 13% Heptane.
The higher the Octane, the less your engine will "knock" due to the heptane
exploding under compression. (Heptane tends to ignite at a lower compression
than Octane.)  Now they can add other things like MTBE to increase the
octane level without actually adding more octane, but I don't believe
alcohol is one.

2. That said, you probably should look at your fuel injectors and your ECM.
One or both is probably bad. Also, since you've had the issue, I'm sure at
least one (or both) of your O2 sensors is bad and you probably have a
gummed-up cat now too.  It is just going to get worse for you, if you don't
insist on all these things being replaced.

Stand behind the van and see what you smell. You may smell either (a) rotten
eggs, from the cat or (b) gas, from a misfiring fuel filter.

Tell the dealer what you smell.
hyundaitech - 13 Apr 2004 00:08 GMT
Octane is a very misleading term.  It merely refers to the anti-knock
properties of gasoline.  The higher the Octane number, the slower the gas
burns.
dantomfin - 13 Apr 2004 10:06 GMT
I feel sorry that you're having such a nasty issue with your van,
especially as you like it so much.

If I was in your shoes, I'd be threatening the dealer with a Lemon Law
case and asking for a another van unless they prove able to repair it
right for once and for all. Keep careful copies of your records, and
get in touch with Kia Motors America.

All the best

Dan

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