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Car Forum / Kia Cars / November 2004

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My Kia has died...

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HammerJoe - 26 Oct 2004 15:02 GMT
My four year old car has died...

The timing belt gave in and with it a couple valves as well.
The timing belt didn't break, it had some threads that fell off, and
when the car broke down I was actually slowing down to a stop so I
could back up into my driveway.

I don't know much about cars but I was presented with three choices:

-Have the engine open and see if it is repairable. Cost : 4 hours to
open it up ($50/hour) + around $1100 for the repair (if it's
repairable).

- Replace the engine block with another one that has 122000km and also
four years old for $1600 installed.

- Or replace with another engine that has only $48000km and also four
years old for $2000.

This would be a no brainer but it seems that only the top part is
replaced, the one where the pistons and valves are.
Which means the other parts of the engine remain and those still have
four years and 200000kms in it.

What to choose?
I've been told that I should go for the 122k part because not only I
save the money but because the the rest of the car will start to give
in before the block and by then it will be time to get a new car
anyway.
I have also been told to put the 48k block in it because if I plan to
keep the car until it falls apart then it's better to use a less used
part.

I drive 48-50000km/year so I don't expect to keep the car forever.
Does it make sense to put a 48Km block into a 200000km car?

Thanks for all your comments.
???? - 26 Oct 2004 15:21 GMT
Dear Joe,

I would decide replacing the engine block ($1600).
In case, if you really satisfied to your own car, perhaps the whole change
of engine may possible ($2000)
But, normally for 200000km car, is it reasonable to pay for such cost???

Best regards,

Hans

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tony thomas - 04 Nov 2004 04:20 GMT
You have to decide if you are happy w/ the car.  Is there anything else that
is going to cost a bunch of money soon (tires, brakes, struts, transmission,
etc...).
If there is nothing else and you like the car, then you cannot replace it
for $2000 difference and get anything better.
For longevity and peace of mind - I would go for the 48k engine swap.  This
will give you another 100k anyway.  By then you will be ready for another
car chances are.  The $400 you will save on the other engine is not worth
it.
Also, $1100 to repair is just that - a repair.  Not a complete rebuild.  You
will still have a lot of stuff w/ 200k on it.

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my boats and cars at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com

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Hal - 10 Nov 2004 17:09 GMT
> My four year old car has died...
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> The timing belt gave in and with it a couple valves as well.
> The timing belt didn't break, it had some threads that fell off, and
> when the car broke down I was actually slowing down to a stop so I
> could back up into my driveway.

Timing belts are not 'threaded', but they do have teeth. I've seen
timing belts go 100,000 miles but they were looking very ratty, in one
instance the belt sheared several teeth off at the crank pulley and
the engine stalled. It was a non-interference motor, so we put a new
belt in and away she went.

In your case, you have an interference engine. If the belt goes you
will probably destroy several valves at the very least. You are aware
that the belt is supposed to be changed every 60,000 miles right? If
it was my car I'd say scrap the engine you have, it's probably going
to need a new head and there's no telling what damage may have been
done to the bottom end unless you spend more money having them pull
the oil pan and check the bearings. Get the low-mileage used engine,
and keep up on the maintenance so you don't have a repeat timing belt
failure in the future.

Chris
 
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