Lately we've been having an intermittent starting problem; sometimes it
starts right up, sometimes it doesn't. It started a few days before
Christmas 2004, and it doesn't seem to be related to being cold because it
doesn't matter what temperature it is outside.
The most times it has happened has been after driving somewhere, stopping to
go in, and afterwards not starting. The worst occurrance was New years Eve.
My wife and I and her parents were driving from Virginia to Delaware. No
problems starting that morning, but once we stopped at one place, and tried
to start it, no go for 20 minutes. We had thought it was the battery, and
cleaned the cables and posts several times, until it finally started up. We
went to the next town where there was an Auto zone to check the battery
(which requires the engine be shut off). Well guess what...this time for
more than 40 minutes the engine wouldn't start. So we ended up calling for
a rollback and going to a Kia dealer 30+ miles away, and after they got it
off the rollback the Kia tech started it right up, and poured over it for
more than an hour. They didn't have any idea what was going on. Nothing on
the computer, battery/alternator/fuel pressure was fine. So we went ahead
on our way and it didn't give us any problems getting home.
Last night it happened again when my wife went to go home from work.
Fortunately after 3 or 4 tries it started.
It's a 1999 2wd sportage with approx 81,500 miles on it.
One thing we did see was the day before the trip when we were at Grease
Monkey (place like a Jiffy Lube) and after oil change, transmission flush
and fuel injector cleaning, the CHECK ENGINE light was lit (first time
ever). On the computer it read Cylinder 2 and 4 misfire (could be spark
plugs), but the guy erased the error to clear the light. Only thing else
I've seen was System Voltage Unstable (at the AutoZone). But of coures this
starting problem happened before we went to the Grease Monkey.
halatos2000@gmail.com - 08 Jan 2005 07:02 GMT
"One thing we did see was the day before the trip when we were at
Grease
Monkey (place like a Jiffy Lube) and after oil change, transmission
flush
and fuel injector cleaning, the CHECK ENGINE light was lit (first time
ever). On the computer it read Cylinder 2 and 4 misfire (could be spark
plugs)"
This is probably no cause for concern. The fuel injector flush probably
caused the engine to richen up to the point that it failed to fire on
several cylinders, and the computer detected it as a misfire condition
and illuminated the light.
"Lately we've been having an intermittent starting problem; sometimes
it
starts right up, sometimes it doesn't. It started a few days before
Christmas 2004, and it doesn't seem to be related to being cold because
it
doesn't matter what temperature it is outside."
Having read the rest of your message, I am going to assume that when
the problem occurs you twist the key and the engine does not turn over.
More information is needed to adequately troubleshoot this problem. You
need to measure the voltage at the starter solenoid when the problem
occurs.
If you do not have voltage at the solenoid with the car in park/clutch
pedal in, key turned to START then the problem is probably NOT the
starter. More than likely you have an issue with either a clutch pedal
position switch, bad ignition switch, or a bad neutral position
switch(auto transmission).
If you have 12 volts at the solenoid, and you do not hear a click when
turning the ignition switch to start..bad starter solenoid. Replace the
starter.
If you have 12 volts and you hear a click when you turn the key to
start but nothing else happens, then you have a bad starter and/or
excessive resistance in the wire leading to the starter solenoid.
Temporarily jump the start terminal directly to the positive terminal
of the battery. If the starter runs then it's possible you have
excessive resistance in the lead going to the starter. I've seen this
happen when the dealerships cut the main start lead to put in a bypass
relay. This is so they can sell you that $500 "no-start alarm". If you
tell them you dont want it, they typically put the wire back together
with a crappy crimp connector. After a few years it corrodes
internally, develops resistance..and you get the dreaded
click/no-start. Fixing it requires the affected section of wire to be
cut out and a splice SOLDERED in place to prevent future trouble.
If the starter doesn't run with a 12 volt bypass direct to the start
terminal then I would replace the starter.
Good luck with it.
Chris
David Meads - 10 Jan 2005 17:07 GMT
> "Lately we've been having an intermittent starting problem; sometimes
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> Chris
Actually some other information on that (some we just found out)...It turns
over but it won't ignite, if you turn the key and let it turn over for
several seconds at a time. If you do short bursts, after a couple times it
starts.
Right now it's at the dealer in our area, and they said it was the fuel
pump. We're waiting to hear from them that the part is here and ready to go
in.
larry502 - 07 Mar 2005 03:00 GMT
I have a 99 Sportage with the same problem. The car always starts fine in
the morning ... But like you I also have problems with it not starting
after I've been driving for a while. I would say about 1 in 5 times it
wont start up right away. It normally takes about 6 turns of the key and
a few minutes of swearing at it before it starts. I did take it to the
dealer and they couldn't fine anything wrong with it. The computer read
no faults and the couldn't repeat the problem. I think they gave me the
popular response of the gas cap being loose. Anyway, I look forward to
reading about how you fixed the problem. I've done some research and have
come up with voltage problems at the started solenoid. Also, there's a
position switch that tells the car when the clutch is pushed in (for
manual) and when the transmission is in park (for auto) ... If this switch
is going bad it wont allow the car to start - Hmmmm. Also, bad battery
terminals (connections) a bad ignition switch or maybe the fuel pump.
Anyway, I'll try a few things and keep posted
Deb McCabe - 18 Apr 2005 05:37 GMT
I'm having the same problem with my 99 Sportage. We have tried all we can
think of. There is an item called a fuel pressure solenoid that we think
might be a possible problem. I know there is more than one solenoid but I
don't know where it's located. I know from the labor guide that it should
only take approx. 15 minutes to replace. Any updates would be helpful.