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Bobby Rockham - 21 Sep 2005 18:06 GMT
I was told by a friend who works at a machine shop rebuilding engines
that Kia gets their engines from Toyota.  Anyone else hear this?  I
was wondering if the V6 in my '05 Sportage was made by Toyota?

B
Scraggy - 22 Sep 2005 10:24 GMT
> I was told by a friend who works at a machine shop rebuilding engines
> that Kia gets their engines from Toyota.  Anyone else hear this?  I
> was wondering if the V6 in my '05 Sportage was made by Toyota?
>
> B

The 2.9 diesel is, I believe, an Isuzu unit, wether they provide others, I
do not know.
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Heat Sink - 22 Sep 2005 20:27 GMT
> > I was told by a friend who works at a machine shop rebuilding engines
> > that Kia gets their engines from Toyota.  Anyone else hear this?  I
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> The 2.9 diesel is, I believe, an Isuzu unit, wether they provide others, I
> do not know.

Wait, KIA makes a diesel car/SUV?
CardShark - 22 Sep 2005 21:15 GMT
> > > I was told by a friend who works at a machine shop rebuilding engines
> > > that Kia gets their engines from Toyota.  Anyone else hear this?  I
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>
> Wait, KIA makes a diesel car/SUV?

About all the Sorento's sold in the UK are diesel.Visit this web site and you
will see.
http://kiasorento.proboards46.com/
Scraggy - 22 Sep 2005 21:25 GMT
>>> I was told by a friend who works at a machine shop rebuilding
>>> engines that Kia gets their engines from Toyota.  Anyone else hear
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>
> Wait, KIA makes a diesel car/SUV?

Sedona MPV . I have this

http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/kia/kia-sedona-2.9-crdi-le.asp

Not, thankfully, in this colour. :)

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Heat Sink - 22 Sep 2005 23:38 GMT
> >> The 2.9 diesel is, I believe, an Isuzu unit, wether they provide
> >> others, I do not know.
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>
> Not, thankfully, in this colour. :)

Cool, how's the acceleration? Is it turbo charged or whatever they do to
diesels to make them a bit quicker off the line?

On that note, why the HELL did diesel go from the cheapest fuel in the US to
the most expensive? Didn't that start about the early/mid 90's?
Jonathan - 23 Sep 2005 00:46 GMT
Greetings,

I've been driving diesel pickups since '95 and I can tell you that the price
for diesel fuel is cyclic.  Diesel is the same as home heating oil (a.k.a. -
No. 2 fuel oil) so in the winter fuel stores are shifted north for heating
and the pump price climbs.  In the summer diesel prices come down.  This is
opposite of gas prices when the winter sees less driving (and hence less of
a demand for gasoline) and the summer sees more.

Now here's the rub - diesel is cheaper and easier to produce than gasoline,
and doesn't have the additives that gasoline is required to have in some
areas of the country.  Diesel has in the past been more stable than gas
prices, usually only rising 2 cents per gallon when gas moved up 8-10 censt
per gallon.  In the past few years, however, diesel has been pushed
artificially high to keep it on par with gasoline.  My conspiracy theory is
that this keeps the demand for consumer grade diesel powered vehicles low
because a massive increase in the number of diesel cars and light trucks on
the road would stress the current diesel fuel supply system, which is much
less extensive than the supply system for gasoline.

Here are some interesting diesel related facts.  The current emission
standards for light duty diesels (like the kind I have in my pickup) are
very low, and in 2007 (and again in 2010 I believe) they will be even lower,
making the standards for these diesels roughly equivalent to that of a
gasoline motor of similar size and power.  People who tell you that diesels
pollute more are blowing more smoke at you than my truck ever will.

Another interesting fact on the price of fuel in general is that in order
for gasoline to reach an average pump price of $3.00/gal. crude oil would
have to be at or over $95.00 per barrel.  With oil at around $68.00 per
barrel, it makes me wonder just where all that money is going.

Things that make you go "Hmmm..."

Cheers - Jonathan

> On that note, why the HELL did diesel go from the cheapest fuel in the US
> to
> the most expensive? Didn't that start about the early/mid 90's?
Scraggy - 23 Sep 2005 12:39 GMT
>>>> The 2.9 diesel is, I believe, an Isuzu unit, wether they provide
>>>> others, I do not know.
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> the US to the most expensive? Didn't that start about the early/mid
> 90's?

While the accelration, is not, shall we say, world class, the torque give
masses of low-down power. Even fully loaded it pulls like a train. It is
turbo'd(plus intercooler) DOHC 16v.

As to your question on price Jonathan has given you some insight. For the
most part however it is a question of availabilty.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/sources/non-renewable/oil.html

As more people use diesel, (1) there is less of what used to be almost a
'by-product' of  the crude distillation process.

(1) How many diesel vehicles were there in the US until fairlt
recently?(Trucks-big ones- excluded?

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PerfectReign - 23 Sep 2005 13:31 GMT
>>>>> The 2.9 diesel is, I believe, an Isuzu unit, wether they provide
>>>>> others, I do not know.
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> (1) How many diesel vehicles were there in the US until fairlt
> recently?(Trucks-big ones- excluded?

Yeah, from what I understand, Diesel is made when gas isn't. The producers
have a choice - make gas at $3/gallon or make diesel. They've artificially
inflated the price of diesel because they won't make enough of it.

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KIAPartscom - 23 Sep 2005 00:36 GMT
"" wrote:
> > > I was told by a friend who works at a machine shop
> rebuilding engines
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>
> Wait, KIA makes a diesel car/SUV?

The deisel is not and United State Production Vehicle.

They are Korean Production car.
Reckerfox - 25 Sep 2005 19:36 GMT
"" wrote:
> I was told by a friend who works at a machine shop rebuilding
> engines
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>
> B

Hyundai and Kia Engines (from AutoZone)

Hyundai Motor was established in 1967 by the Hyundai group. However,
for a long period it was just producing cars based on the design
supplied by Ford UK. The first self-developed model was the ’74 Pony,
but under the guidance of Mitsubishi. Engines also came from the
Japanese design, while the styling was penned by Italdesign. The car
earned Hyundai the name as the biggest Korean car maker which is still
unchallenged today.  

The second generation Pony of 1982 marked another milestone : the
first large scale export. Like the Japanese, Korean’s industry was
(and still is) very export-oriented. The Pony small car, benefited by
the wage advantage of Korea labours, stormed the Canadian small car
market in 1983. The world started to realise the rise of another
Eastern car making nation.  

The first self-designed engine appeared in 1991, which signalled the
"real" autonomy of R&D. Sales continued to grow in the whole 90s as
model range expanded and quality improved. In 1998, Asian finanical
crisis hit South Korea hard, but Hyundai took this opportunity to
acquire the bankrupted Kia, further strengthening itself.

Hyundai formed strategic alliance with DaimlerChrysler and Mitsubishi
in 2000 to share development cost of small cars and 4-cylinder
engines. But the alliance crumpled after DaimlerChrysler pulled out in
2004.

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