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Car Forum / Kia Cars / January 2006

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Ranger45 - 31 Dec 2005 00:16 GMT
Dear KIA,

Welcome to the wonderful world of KIA, I am employee at a local KIA
dealership and I would just like to explain a few things about KIA because
of the confusion out there among the general public about these vehicles.
KIA vehicles are unlike any other vehicle I have ever seen/worked on, the
reason the vehicles are so cheap is because the company cuts corners on
building the whole vehicle. These are not Chevys, Dodges, or Fords. KIA is
made by a bunch of Koreans in believe it or not Korea! So please don't
compare your brand new KIA to a 1996 Ford Windstar, because its just not
the same. Its like comparing rocks and diamonds. Also KIA does not cover
adjustments under its warranty. If your rear brakes needs adjusted, you
must pay to have that done. The warranty on the radio is 3 years and 36000
miles. Bulbs are only covered for 12months or 12000 miles. KIA is a new
company and as such they are alittle behind in their information and
techniques. I hate having to tell a customer that we have looked at their
vehicle all day and have been unable to duplicate their complaint. We do
our best to work and fix their car the 1st time in the most
timely manner. I am a person too, I am not some KIA robot, when you yell
at me I instantly go on the defensive and you start off on a bad foot with
the person who is responsible for fixing your car. I will do anything and
everything I can to make sure your service visit is pleasureable. If you
pursue the lemon law rule the dealer has nothing to do with it, thats
between KIA, your lawyer and you. All in all KIA
has come a long way since the beginning and they can only get better from
here on out. So please just remember the next time your car breaks down
or your hear a little squeak when you drive, remember there are worse
things that can happen. And please try to be friendly to the serivce
advisor, he is a person and he wants to help you as much as he can. If you
would like to email me you can at forcerecon90@yahoo.com
Tom - 31 Dec 2005 23:35 GMT
I own a 2003 Kia Sedona and a 2006 Sonata and have noticed a few things
also.  The Hyundai uses name brand parts such as Bosch while Kia uses
off-brand, generic parts to keep costs down.  Service at my local (35miles)
Kia dealer has been dismal, to say the least.  They've screwed up more
things than they have fixed.  Today, I noticed what my wife (it's her daily
driver) has been complaining about since having the transmission fluid
changed at the dealer.  When you shift it into gear, it sits there for about
5 seconds before shifting.  Guess what, the fluid level is low and out of
sight on the dipstick!  Now I have to call the 'service advisor', who is
nothing more than someone who writes down what the poor customer tells him,
and drive 70 miles round trip to have them put fluid in the transmission,
which is what they were supposed to do in the first place.!.  A month ago, I
had the alternator go south just after picking it up from an extensive
fluids and spark plug change, which they talked my wife into.  If you look
at the manual, none of the fluids except the oil had to be changed to
protect the warantee.

Of course, I haven't had the Hyundai long enough to know about the service
department there but they sure seemed more professional and knowledgeable
when I talked to them at the time of the sale.
I've also had a shimmy in the steering wheel from day one on the Kia which
the dealer repeatedly blamed on the tires.  I even went to a local tire
store that did a diagnostic on the tires and wheels that showed nothing
wrong.  Kia reluctantly paid for it but still said nothing was wrong except
the tires.  I just put new tires on the car and, guess what, it still
shimmies or shakes the steering wheel at slow speeds.
For my next servicing, I plan on using the Hyundai dealer for service on the
Kia.  I do get free oil changes for life on the Kia as part of the deal.  I
should also mention that free tires were part of the deal, but they put OEM
tires back on it, which are bottom of the line.
Even though Kia and Hyundai are sister companies, there is night and day
between them.
> Dear KIA,
>
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> advisor, he is a person and he wants to help you as much as he can. If you
> would like to email me you can at forcerecon90@yahoo.com
Robert Black - 02 Jan 2006 11:25 GMT
Hey Ranger 45,your full of sh.t.
I don't consider my new Sorento "cheap" at 34k plus tax (Canada).
Your right its not like the domestic brands,and thats why the domestic
brands are in so much trouble.
If my Sorento still is running as good in five years as it is today Ill be
getting another one.
Its the best truck Ive ever had,the best vheical,except for my Harley.
If you think Kias are such sh.t why don't you get a job working on Fords?
Im some glad Ill never be bringing my truck to YOU to work on!
>I own a 2003 Kia Sedona and a 2006 Sonata and have noticed a few things
>also.  The Hyundai uses name brand parts such as Bosch while Kia uses
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>> you
>> would like to email me you can at forcerecon90@yahoo.com
MDH - 03 Jan 2006 17:08 GMT
> Dear KIA,
>  
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> advisor, he is a person and he wants to help you as much as he can. If you
> would like to email me you can at forcerecon90@yahoo.com

Well said Ranger45.
Ashorttoy - 03 Jan 2006 20:57 GMT
This is to Tom....I would like to maybe elaborate on what Ranger45 is
trying to convey to the public.

I am a Warranty Administrator at a local Kia dealership and have worked
with Kia Motors America for a few years now....even back when they were
exactly what Ranger said "cheap"....All wires regardless of what they were
for or their function were all one color, making it difficult to diagnose
and repair....also alot of their interior features are not what they are
now.

And Yes, even though they might cost 20-30k they still have alot of
"cheap" inventions on their vehicles...but as a customer you aren't going
to see that. I work with both sides of the spectrum (customers and
technicians) and I can wholly understand both sides.

Let me explain...The Kia franchise has come along way in their production
- especially since Hyundai is part of the mix. But when it comes down to
diagnosis and mechanical breakdowns, unfortuantely Kia is "behind in the
times" compared to other manufacturers...in their computers, wiring habits
and such...which I would imagine is what Ranger is referring too.

In saything this, Technicians are often frustrated when trying to repair
your vehicle and there is no information, the Techline Assistance cannot
help you , therefore alot of times the technician is limited on what he
can do and can consider Kia to be "cheap" and "behind the times"

I know, I work with them everyday and I also live with a Certified Kia
Technician....lol

Hopefully this will help, just a little..... :)

If you would like more information...you can also post or send my an
email......headmaster@comcast.net
Perfect Reign - 04 Jan 2006 17:43 GMT
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:57:53 -0500, someone posing as Ashorttoy took a five
minute break from flipping burgers to boot up the etch-a-sketch and
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> In saything this, Technicians are often frustrated when trying to repair
> your vehicle and there is no information, the Techline Assistance cannot
> help you , therefore alot of times the technician is limited on what he
> can do and can consider Kia to be "cheap" and "behind the times"

Man, what a pain!  As a tech, it must be extremely frustrating trying to
call your "technical support" line and getting no answer. How are the shop
manuals? Are they at least somewhat extensive?

Also is Kia working to remedy this situation?  So far, I've been very happy
with my '02 Sedona but can see that - as I approach 60K - I'll be needing
something done in the next few years.

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Ashorttoy - 05 Jan 2006 14:54 GMT
Flipping burgers eh?

ANYWAY......
Well, unfortunately the problem with communication with Kia...the
tech-line...they answer, but alot of times, they don't know what your
problem is or what is causing it. A famous line from Kia Techline is this:
"We don't know, when you figure it out, call us back and tells us what the
problem was and how you fixed it."

Lol, let me insert this also: I am not badmouthing Kia, just trying to
convey that it isn't always easy to fix wierd problems with Kias, alot of
them...are great....some of them have their quirks.

As far as manuals....they suck..they don't explain procedures, alot of the
diagrams are missing key components and such as that. As far as Kia trying
to make better? The problem with that is Kia Motors America is only
handing out what Korea is giving them...so....there you have it

And Perfect...glad you love your Sedona...my advice...turn it in when the
warranty is expired...the parts can be very expensive! I own a Kia myself,
and pads along are about 120.00 a pair.....
Perfect Reign - 05 Jan 2006 21:28 GMT
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:54:20 -0500, someone posing as Ashorttoy took a five
minute break from flipping burgers to boot up the etch-a-sketch and
scribbled:

> Flipping burgers eh?

Like that? :)

> ANYWAY......
> Well, unfortunately the problem with communication with Kia...the
> tech-line...they answer, but alot of times, they don't know what your
> problem is or what is causing it. A famous line from Kia Techline is this:
> "We don't know, when you figure it out, call us back and tells us what the
> problem was and how you fixed it."

Wow, sounds like me working with Microsoft!

> Lol, let me insert this also: I am not badmouthing Kia, just trying to
> convey that it isn't always easy to fix wierd problems with Kias, alot of
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> warranty is expired...the parts can be very expensive! I own a Kia myself,
> and pads along are about 120.00 a pair.....

I'd love to turn it in and get a midsize truck, maybe a mid-80's Suburban.
:)

Actually my mother is looking at turning in her decade-old dodge for a
Sportage. I drove the V6 EX this morning. Very nice little truck.

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helix - 05 Jan 2006 16:51 GMT
you really put your email address upo there, you live dangerously.

I have to say my 2 sportages have been like swiss watches. unfortunly the
two kia dealers on long island went out of business over a weekend. (they
were owned by a Honda dealer). the people ther were great, they are all
unemployed now. I see my fromer saleslady from time to time in the Home
depot where I work.For PR they (KIA) leave a lot to be desired. you can't
ebven find a parts breakdown that's readable on-line. now they charge for
it.
I did find this really good site "Automotive Forums.com carChat". there's
a Kia service tech who really knows what he is doing, who answers
question. so far he has been right on the money each time. The 2001
Sportages have a problem in cold weather, you smell exhaust when it
starts, it was a simple clamp change and the feul pressure regulator.
think Kia would tell you that.
I can't say I have had any other problems. One car came from a dealer, the
other I bought on eBay, and have done well with both. My only change was to
add a interior light to the top of the cargo area. theirs gets covered if
you put anything in the back. cost $5 and some wire snaked behind the
paneling.
Perfect Reign - 05 Jan 2006 21:25 GMT
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:51:05 -0500, someone posing as helix took a five
minute break from flipping burgers to boot up the etch-a-sketch and
scribbled:

> you really put your email address upo there, you live dangerously.

LOL!

It is my throwaway yahoo address. For the most part, all I get are invites  
to claim my $35,000,000 lottery winnings from some guy in Nigeria.

> I have to say my 2 sportages have been like swiss watches. unfortunly the
> two kia dealers on long island went out of business over a weekend.

Okay, that sux!  

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WhiteRose - 10 Jan 2006 22:42 GMT
> This is to Tom....I would like to maybe elaborate on what Ranger45 is
> trying to convey to the public.
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> If you would like more information...you can also post or send my an
> email......headmaster@comcast.net

You may wish to become a poster in the Sorento Forums
http://kiasorento.proboards46.com/
http://www.kia-forums.com/f17-kia-sorento-forum.htm
http://www.sorentosite.com/forum/
steve@bankstreetkia.com - 11 Jan 2006 20:19 GMT
I am the assistant manager at a Kia dealership, and I would like to
oint out a few problems with your statement.  Kia DOES cover
adjustments for 12months/20,000km, headlights are covered under
warranty for 3yr/60,000km.  In your reference to generic parts, NGK
platinum plugs, michelin tires etc. are not what I consider sub-par.

The job of a service advisor is to listen, understand, and respond to
customer's needs. At no time should the advisor become defensive (if
trained properly).  Yes customers can be difficult, but their
frustation is not your problem, their car's problems are yours.

The dealer has the responsibility to act as a representitve of the
factory, thus satisfing your customers needs before the lemon
laws/CAMVAMP procedure.  (In 5 years, we have never had to settle an
issue with an arbritator's assistance.)

Kia boasts and backs up one of the best warranties in the business,
during delivery, our service dept. is introduced to the new client, and
we go through the basics of car care with these clients.

I hope you have what sucess you can in this industry, another option is
looking for a new career, where public service is not involved.
Ashorttoy - 13 Jan 2006 02:37 GMT
While you as a Service Manager will teach that...I am sorry to say that we
all don't have the perfect customers you obviously have in your
dealership.

Here in the US...in the North East, we don't know what it is like to have
customers such as the ones you speak. We do tell these people EVERYDAY how
they need and should care for their vehicles...unfortuantely our most
common answer for that is: "Isn't it covered under my warranty."

And yes, you are right about the warranty coverage, although alot of
people around here aren't told that when they purchase the vehicle.

So instead of critism think before you speak. And if I was under your
leadership I would think you were a pompas a.s....
Tom - 26 Jan 2006 01:59 GMT
I posted earlier about my 'stealership' and the fact that they wouldn't
cover a replacement headlight.  Steve says they are covered but my Service
Advisor vehemently said 'no way'.  As an update to my auto transmission
problem, I had to go back to the dealer after a transmission flush, which
they said I needed at 30,000 miles to protect my warrantee, which wasn't
true (come to find out).  The transmission was slow to shift from reverse to
first after backing up.  They admitted that the level was low so they put in
another 1/2 quart.  Now it is shifting very harshly under partial throttle.
Almost a 'bang'.  This will be the third visit of 90 mile round trip for
these fools to get it right, if they ever will.

Tom

> While you as a Service Manager will teach that...I am sorry to say that we
> all don't have the perfect customers you obviously have in your
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> So instead of critism think before you speak. And if I was under your
> leadership I would think you were a pompas a.s....
Blackglass - 26 Jan 2006 16:34 GMT
> I posted earlier about my 'stealership' and the fact that they wouldn't
> cover a replacement headlight.  Steve says they are covered but my Service
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Tom

I am thinking they the dealers dis-service Dept.only damaged you'r Trans. who
knows what the guy who they gave this job to really did.

I would fine another place to get it repaired.
 
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