>>>> I have had my '02 Sedona for a month and a half now. I am only getting
>>>> between 270 and 290 miles per tank. Is this normal? It's a 19.6 gallon
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>
> Let us know how things work out.

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Wo ist der Ort für den ehrlichsten Kuss
Ich weiss, dass ich ihn für uns finden muss
Auf 'ner Strasse im Regen, auf 'nem Berg nah beim Mond
Oder kann man ihn nur vom Totenbett holen
>Oh, please don't tell me you're recommending a K&N for a f.cking minivan!
Rudeness and profanity are not the best way to attempt to make a
point.
>This is a total waste of money.
>
>I've read it over and over: the HP gains
>are barely noticable, the potential for contaminant intrusion is real, and
>the time/hassle of cleaning the cartridges with the oil could be better
>spent buying a new paper filter every 3K miles.
Since you're not speaking from experience, your opinion doesn't carry
much weight in this instance. I can site a lot of things I've read
"over and over" that are opposite of what you've read "over and over."
Anyway, I was talking MPG not HP; there is a difference.
BTW, the "hassle" of cleaning and reoiling addresses the " contaminant
intrustion."
>To quote Nancy Reagan, Just say no.
Wow, that's dated.
>Unless you're a hardcore racer who needs that extra bit of intake, it is a
>complete sham.
Just in case anyway would be tempted to listen to you...
"I did a small test to compare mileage with a K&N air filter vs.
mileage with a factory (KIA) filter. Granted this test isn't
scientific since all the factors (gas quality, city/highway driving,
wind, etc.) were not identical. But, overall, it was close enough to
get an idea.
"Mileage (based on 4 refills each)
"Factory -- 18.48589
"K&N -- 20.17656
"So there was an overall improvement of 1.69067 mpg with the K&N air
filter in a 2002 Sedona."
>Oh, and trust me - a minivan isn't going to look any less like a stupid
>minivan with a K&N.
Why do I reply to trolls? I really do need to "just say no."
-- Christian
http://www.kia-forums.com/
CMM - 15 Mar 2006 18:24 GMT
>BTW, the "hassle" of cleaning and reoiling addresses the " contaminant
>intrustion."
Make that, "contaminant intrusion."
PerfectReign - 16 Mar 2006 16:12 GMT
>>Oh, please don't tell me you're recommending a K&N for a f.cking minivan!
>
> Rudeness and profanity are not the best way to attempt to make a
> point.
Got yer attention, didn't it?
>>This is a total waste of money.
>>
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> much weight in this instance. I can site a lot of things I've read
> "over and over" that are opposite of what you've read "over and over."
Yeah, I've read, too, that the Earth is flat and that the moon missions
were staged over in Groom Lake, Nevada.
Your point?
> Anyway, I was talking MPG not HP; there is a difference.
>
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> "So there was an overall improvement of 1.69067 mpg with the K&N air
> filter in a 2002 Sedona."
Oooh, thanks! That just might make it worth the extra $50 I would need to
spend on a filter plus the oil to clean the filter. Oh, and let's not
forget the extra particulates that get into the system due to the fact
that the K&N has larger pores for such items.
>>Oh, and trust me - a minivan isn't going to look any less like a stupid
>>minivan with a K&N.
>
> Why do I reply to trolls? I really do need to "just say no."
Because you love us and simply can't resist. :P
In any case, I know my Sedona's MPG sucks eggs, but then I suppose I
shouldn't be driving 90MPH on the way to work.

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Wo ist der Ort für den ehrlichsten Kuss
Ich weiss, dass ich ihn für uns finden muss
Auf 'ner Strasse im Regen, auf 'nem Berg nah beim Mond
Oder kann man ihn nur vom Totenbett holen
CMM - 17 Mar 2006 16:32 GMT
>>>Oh, please don't tell me you're recommending a K&N for a f.cking minivan!
>>
>> Rudeness and profanity are not the best way to attempt to make a
>> point.
>
>Got yer attention, didn't it?
It was unnecessary. By the time I clicked to read, you already had my
attention.
>>>This is a total waste of money.
>>>
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>
>Your point?
You just made my point. I speak from experience; you speak from stuff
you've read (which rates up there with the earth being flat and the
moon landings being staged).
>> Anyway, I was talking MPG not HP; there is a difference.
>>
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>forget the extra particulates that get into the system due to the fact
>that the K&N has larger pores for such items.
You've seen evidence of these "extra particulates" or just something
else you've read?
>>>Oh, and trust me - a minivan isn't going to look any less like a stupid
>>>minivan with a K&N.
>>
>> Why do I reply to trolls? I really do need to "just say no."
>
>Because you love us and simply can't resist. :P
Well, ya got me there...
>In any case, I know my Sedona's MPG sucks eggs, but then I suppose I
>shouldn't be driving 90MPH on the way to work.
I've never driven my Sedona that fast. Just out of curiousity, what
does your tach show at that speed?
-- Christian
PerfectReign - 18 Mar 2006 04:24 GMT
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>>In any case, I know my Sedona's MPG sucks eggs, but then I suppose I
>>shouldn't be driving 90MPH on the way to work.
>
> I've never driven my Sedona that fast. Just out of curiousity, what
> does your tach show at that speed?
About 2700. I generally drive 75 -80, but on occasion pull up to 90 when
traffic permits. Fortunetly, I drive 40 miles straight to work against
traffic at 6:00 in the morning. Of course, I carpool, so I only actually
drive it once a week. :)
The fastest I took the van was on a trip to Sedona (no kidding) a few
years ago. When I was out in the desert, we pulled it up to 110. It
handled very nicely. Of course, I was freaked out about the possiblity of
Arizona state troopers pulling me over, so I slowed back down to
80-ish after a minute or so.

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Wo ist der Ort für den ehrlichsten Kuss
Ich weiss, dass ich ihn für uns finden muss
Auf 'ner Strasse im Regen, auf 'nem Berg nah beim Mond
Oder kann man ihn nur vom Totenbett holen
CMM - 20 Mar 2006 16:33 GMT
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>Arizona state troopers pulling me over, so I slowed back down to
>80-ish after a minute or so.
2700? That's pretty good. I expected it to be higher.
Sedona to Sedona; that is funny.
-- Christian
LandB - 18 Mar 2006 04:48 GMT
>>>>Oh, please don't tell me you're recommending a K&N for a f.cking
>>>>minivan!
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>
> -- Christian
I am not going to comment on how things were said, but K&N will admit that
the larger particles will be allowed to pass, but do not cause problems.
you have to decide if the risks outweigh the benefits. On a minivan, I
would say no, but on a performance sportscar, maybe. It is up to you.
CMM - 20 Mar 2006 16:36 GMT
>I am not going to comment on how things were said, but K&N will admit that
>the larger particles will be allowed to pass, but do not cause problems.
>you have to decide if the risks outweigh the benefits. On a minivan, I
>would say no, but on a performance sportscar, maybe. It is up to you.
Very interesting. I wonder if the little "I drove a million miles"
story on their website is true, not true, or somewhere in between.
-- Christian
http://www.kia-forums.com/