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2006 Sedona Review (longish)

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Jacques Strapp - 20 Jun 2006 05:16 GMT
From: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/14845934.htm

MVP: Most Value for Price
Kia's quality gives rivals a run for their money WARREN BROWN
Washington Post

Kia Motors Corp. makes the best minivan for the money -- better than the
Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town & Country or the Dodge
Caravan.

The rivals are all nice family haulers. But nice doesn't cut it in the
marketplace. Value does.

The 2006 Kia Sedona LX minivan offers the most value, which is not to be
confused with the lowest price.

Low prices are meaningless for inferior products.

The Kia Sedona is first-class in all respects -- quality of craftsmanship
and engineering, quality of interior materials, highway performance and
safety. I liked the Sedona LX so much, I didn't want to return it to the
manufacturer.

A minivan! I couldn't believe it!

But after nearly 600 miles on the highways, byways and back roads of
Virginia and West Virginia, I became a convert. The front-wheel-drive
Sedona LX handled the heights of the Blue Ridge Mountains without
hesitation. It was sure-footed in the curves and dips of the Shenandoah
Valley, and it ran with unruffled confidence amidst the ruffian
18-wheelers roaring along Interstate 81 across the panhandle of West
Virginia.

And it was peaceful -- peaceful!

Minivans exist solely to haul families, friends and stuff. That is why
most minivans, like the Sedona LX, have seating for seven.

But people can be problematic. They have wants and needs that become
demands and arguments on long road trips. It matters not that you love
them, or that they love you. Uncomfortable passengers can turn a long
drive into a journey to hell.

A comfortable passenger cabin -- one that grants all aboard ample personal
space and that treats their backs and bottoms kindly -- is the best
antidote to such misery. The Sedona LX has a passenger-pampering cabin,
which is all the more remarkable because there is nothing fancy about it.

The standard seats are cloth-covered. But they are thoughtfully contoured,
expertly upholstered. There is a smartly designed front tray that can hold
a book or laptop -- or serve as a small dinner table. Other storage nooks
abound. There are 14 cupholders.

None of my three passengers complained on the Virginia-West Virginia run.
There were no jibes about a ride too harsh, too soft or too bouncy. Two of
them were so comfortable, they fell asleep.

Automotive journalists and self-described auto enthusiasts often speak of
"fun to drive," a phrase they reserve for anything that isn't a minivan, a
vehicle they regard as uncool, little more than a household appliance.

They do not understand the point of the journey, which is to move freely,
swiftly when doing so is either necessary or desired, but always safely
and comfortably -- preferably at an affordable price. The Sedona LX
embraces that understanding. In doing so, it makes so much of what is
installed in rival minivans seem excessive.

Here is a minivan that comes with a gutsy 3.8-liter, 244-horsepower V-6
engine but that still gets 25 miles per gallon on the highway using
regular unleaded fuel. It fits neatly into urban parking garages. It has
top crash-safety ratings from the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. It does
anything anyone reasonably can expect a minivan to do, and it does it all
for a base price starting under $23,000.

The Kia Sedona LX moves to the top of this column's minivan list. It's
earned it.

2006 Sedona LX

Complaints: None. This one is everything a minivan should be, including
affordable.

Ride, acceleration and handling: Excellent in all three categories in city
and highway traffic, whether unloaded (driver only, no cargo) or heavily
loaded (driver and three passengers and an estimated 250 pounds of cargo).

Head-turning quotient: It's a minivan. That means it gets as much
attention as Hollywood gives to stable families.

Engine/transmission: 3.8-liter, 244-horsepower V-6. The engine is mated to
a five-speed automatic transmission that also can be shifted manually. The
manual mode gives the driver better vehicle control on mountainous, curvy
roads.

Capacity: It seats seven.

Mileage: I averaged 25 miles per gallon in highway travel, including
loaded and unloaded runs.

Safety: The Kia Sedona has top crash-safety ratings from both the National
Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Insurance Institute for
Highway Safety. Standard equipment includes head airbags for all three
rows, side air bags for front-seat passengers, traction and stability
control, anti-whiplash head restraints and antilock brakes. Impressive.

Price: Base price on the 2006 Sedona LX is $22,995. Dealer's invoice price
on base model is $21,700. Price as tested is $25,165, including $1,500 in
options (rear entertainment audio-visual system, roof rails and cross
bars) and a $670 destination charge. Dealer's price as tested is $23,680.
Prices sourced from Kia, www.edmunds.com and www.cars.com, an affiliate of
The Washington Post.

Purse strings: It's a buy. Compare with any midsized minivan.
mark - 20 Jun 2006 12:57 GMT
> From: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/14845934.htm
>
[quoted text clipped - 110 lines]
>
> Purse strings: It's a buy. Compare with any midsized minivan.

My friend has one and the aforementioned review does not surprise me--Kia
is a great value.

-Cheers
CMM - 20 Jun 2006 15:43 GMT
>> From: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/14845934.htm
>>
>> MVP: Most Value for Price
>> Kia's quality gives rivals a run for their money WARREN BROWN
>> Washington Post

>My friend has one and the aforementioned review does not surprise me--Kia
>is a great value.

Time will tell if the '06 holds up. No way you can judge ongoing
quality on a 600 mile trip. For the sake of those buying it, I hope it
ends up being a quality automobile in the long run rather than a
rapidly deterioating piece of crap like the previous ones.

-- Christian
mark - 21 Jun 2006 02:17 GMT
>>> From: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/14845934.htm
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> -- Christian

Seems like I heard the same thing about Japanese cars some time ago.

-Cheers
CMM - 21 Jun 2006 17:51 GMT
>>>> From: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/14845934.htm
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Seems like I heard the same thing about Japanese cars some time ago.

Yep. Japanese autos are much better quality now than they once were,
But, that is little solace to those who wasted money on them while
they were still rolling junk heaps.

-- Christian
Gordoni - 22 Jun 2006 20:36 GMT
>>>>> From: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/14845934.htm
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> But, that is little solace to those who wasted money on them while
> they were still rolling junk heaps.

Well, I was hoping for better things being said about the Kia Sedona,
because I am interested in buying one, however not everybody seems happy
with the Japanese, but I thought they were made in South Korea anyway.
Gordon
CMM - 22 Jun 2006 21:55 GMT
>> Yep. Japanese autos are much better quality now than they once were,
>> But, that is little solace to those who wasted money on them while
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>with the Japanese, but I thought they were made in South Korea anyway.
>Gordon

Hi Gordon,

You're right, Kia is a South Korean automaker. The point here was that
Japanese cars used to be as junky as Kias are now. But, Japanese cars
have improved and are now high quality vehicles. Kia is getting better
but some argue that it's still not up to par with Japanese automakers.
2006 is the first year that the Sedona isn't a complete piece of junk.
IMHO, it's still too early to make the leap and buy a Kia. Give them a
few more years and they may begin to turn out truly reliable autos.

-- Christian
mark - 23 Jun 2006 02:30 GMT
>>> Yep. Japanese autos are much better quality now than they once were,
>>> But, that is little solace to those who wasted money on them while
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> -- Christian

Wow are you way off base.
Gordoni - 23 Jun 2006 21:14 GMT
>>>> Yep. Japanese autos are much better quality now than they once were,
>>>> But, that is little solace to those who wasted money on them while
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Wow are you way off base.

Mark, what are you trying to tell me?
Is Christian right or wrong with his comments, I'm not sure what 'off base'
means.

Gordon
mark - 24 Jun 2006 02:34 GMT
>>>>> Yep. Japanese autos are much better quality now than they once were,
>>>>> But, that is little solace to those who wasted money on them while
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Gordon

Hi Gordon,

No offense to Christian as everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but
Kia (Korean Autos in General) now approach and probably match the quality
of Japanese cars (by the way, there are some very fine American and
European cars out there as well). It's just a matter of value for the
dollar and I think Kia beats all competitors right now when one considers
both the quaility as well as their incredible warranty.

Christian and I agree on what used to be, specifically that Kia/Hyundai
used to lack in quality just like Japanese Autos once did. We disagree,
however, in that he still believes the jury is out. Well it isn't IMHO and
the opinions of most. I say if you are considering one, don't hesitate.

-Cheers!
Gordoni - 24 Jun 2006 17:24 GMT
>>>>>Well, I was hoping for better things being said about the Kia Sedona,
>>>>>because I am interested in buying one, however not everybody seems
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> -Cheers!
Thanks Mark
I understand what you are saying.
I will visit the dealer next week, the latest Sedona is due here in the U.k.
soon, and I am interested in one of the diesel auto models.
Gordon
Bobsprit@aol.com - 24 Jun 2006 22:39 GMT
We just completed a 3000 mile trip on our new loaded Sedona EX. It goes
without saying that the Sedona is FAR better than any of the American
mini vans. It's certainly better designed than ANY of the Japanese
models. Kia has observed the strongest features from all models and
made a mini van that owes very few apologies. Ride, wind noise, power,
comfort....all are excellent. And this van hasn't any of the squeeks
and rattles that plague the Honda/Nissan/Dodge models. The van is rock
solid...so far.
And there's the question. How will the Sedona be after 30K or 70K? Only
time will tell, but it's fair to say that the new Kia Sedona has very
little in common with the previous Sedona. This van is Kia's serious
statement for family vehicles and I'm coming from a pretty high quality
Subaru Tribeca SUV. Fit and finish on the Subaru was a bit
higher....and yet...there were a few rattles within a week of owning
it. The controls of the Subaru feel cheaper, but the installation of
the panels and carpet appear better finished, if not perfectly fit.
In any case....I would NEVER have bought a Kia before, but the new
Sedona is that good and the reviews echo my opinion almost across tha
board. Who needs a mini-van that does 0-60 in 7.2 seconds? Me!

Capt RB
NY
CMM - 27 Jun 2006 18:02 GMT
>> You're right, Kia is a South Korean automaker. The point here was that
>> Japanese cars used to be as junky as Kias are now. But, Japanese cars
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Wow are you way off base.

Mark,

Without the further information provided in a later post, that remark
was unhelpful and a bit insulting.

While it seems everyone agrees that the new Sedonas are a far cry
better than the old ones, as I stated, some are still saying that they
haven't quite caught up to other Asian automakers.

I'm just saying that, until time has passed and miles have added up,
there is absolutely no way to judge the Sedona's long-term quality.
Initial appearances, performance, and tests are obviously good but how
can you possibly know how well it will still be running in 5 years or
after 70 thousand miles (as Bobsprit@aol.com / Capt RB) mentioned)?
It's a lot of money for something that has yet to be fully tested
after an abyssmal track record. For those who take the dive, I hope
that everything turns out well. For me, I'll err on the side of
caution. Remember, there was a time when tons of people swore that
dot-coms were solid, long-term investments. Only time can tell.

-- Christian
Bobsprit@aol.com - 27 Jun 2006 19:26 GMT
(as Bobsp...@aol.com / Capt RB) mentioned)?
It's a lot of money for something that has yet to be fully tested
after an abyssmal track record. For those who take the dive, I hope
that everything turns out well. For me, I'll err on the side of
caution. Remember, there was a time when tons of people swore that
dot-coms were solid, long-term investments. Only time can tell.

-- Christian >>>>

Your comments are well considered, but remember that this is not really
a Kia in the way the old Sedona was. It's built side by side with the
Enterouge and we all know Hyndai is being very agressive in nipping at
the heals of Toyota and Honda. My decision to buy the Sedona was also
based on discussions with a friend who works for Toyota. They regard
the new Sedona as a serious threat because of the whole package
combined with a serious leap in quality and QC overall. The main issue
with a loaded Sienna is the lack of power. It almost borders on unsafe
at times. That's too big a problem to pay top dollar for. That leaves
the Honda, which has good power, but a long list of quality control
problems of it's own. I know enough people with one who are not happy.
The new Sedona is so obviously better from a design standpoint. It hits
almost all of the right notes missed by Honda and Toyota. It crushes
the Nissan and Caravan of course. I frankly can't imagine Hyndai/Kia
suddenly dumping out quality wise on what is essentially a flagship
vehicle for them. I also live in NY, where both companies enjoy proper
service centers, so I can feel safe in getting stuff fixed should
problems occur.
You really need to get into a Sedona EX with all the toys to appreciate
how upscale this car feels. It's powerful, ultra quiet and has luxury
car feel. It handles nicely and even the interior controls have
superior feel. These Koreans are out for blood, just like Honda was 20
years ago.
When I hit 10K miles I'll post another report. Kia has called me twice
to see if we're happy and if there are any problems. We're very
impressed as is everyone who gets aboard.

RB
35s5
NY
CMM - 27 Jun 2006 20:09 GMT
>When I hit 10K miles I'll post another report. Kia has called me twice
>to see if we're happy and if there are any problems. We're very
>impressed as is everyone who gets aboard.

From much of what  I've heard the new Sedona is in an entirely
different class of quality than was the old Sedona. I don't dispute
that. I have no doubt that Kia is now focusing on quality. But, I'm
sure they had convinced themselves that the old Sedona was some sort
of qualityvehicle (at least I'd like to think that they were ignorant
in the fact that what they were selling was junk). With the Sedona
being totally revamped for the current model year, there are bound to
be unexpected problems that will show up in these Sedonas. Kia can
then take this info and make changes for 2007. But, this will be of
little benefit to anyone with an '06 once the warranty has lapsed.

-- Christian
Bobsprit@aol.com - 27 Jun 2006 20:33 GMT
With the Sedona
being totally revamped for the current model year, there are bound to
be unexpected problems that will show up in these Sedonas. Kia can
then take this info and make changes for 2007. But, this will be of
little benefit to anyone with an '06 once the warranty has lapsed. >>>

Christian, this was the "old" way of thinking when cars were first
released. You never bought the 1st year until bugs were worked out. But
the way cars are built has advanced well beyond that now. 1st year cars
are often bug free, as in my Subaru Tribeca. Now I know plenty of
people who buy 1st year cars with zero problems. The old Sedona is more
Hyduai than Kia in many respects. Kia is now following their system.
The Sedona is also their newest high priced vehicle in the US market.
Can you imagine them allowing it to be substandard, beneath the rest of
the lineup? It's just not going to happen.
The old Sedona has as much to do with the new one as the Miata does
with an MGB. If the Korean giant made one mistake, it may have been in
retaining the old name.
We can't find a single bug in our Sedona. Everything works as it
should. In fact, it's the most bug free new car I've owned...and I've
owned a lot.

RB
Perfect Reign - 28 Jun 2006 05:32 GMT
On 27 Jun 2006 12:33:49 -0700, Bobsprit@aol.com took a five minute break
from flipping burgers at the local fast food joint and scribbled on an
etch-a-sketch:

> With the Sedona
> being totally revamped for the current model year, there are bound to
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> should. In fact, it's the most bug free new car I've owned...and I've
> owned a lot.

It is interesting that CMM is so down on the sedona. I know of one guy in
France with a Sedona/Carnival 3.9L who had issues, but that's really it.
Mine is now at 61K (2002) and the issues are so minor, as to not be a
complaint.

1. door handle chrome is falling off the puller - replaced
2. paint fading on plastic trim
3. alternator - replaced
4. wiring harness - they told me it was replaced before i had an issue

Except for it being small and cramped, it is pretty good. I am looking for
a proper full-size truck right now (Dodge megacab, ford 150, toyota tundra)
but will not ever bash the sedona.

I just think back to my '95 Jimmy (4.3L vortec CPI) where I'd already
replaced the fuel injector twice by the time 60K miles hit.
Signature

k

Bobsprit@aol.com - 28 Jun 2006 12:24 GMT
I just think back to my '95 Jimmy (4.3L vortec CPI) where I'd already
replaced the fuel injector twice by the time 60K miles hit. >>

Well, I won't even compare the Sedona to a anything American. American
cars are barely better than buying a Yugo at this point. I drove a
brand new loaded Caravan last week and it was almost funny. The poor
thing was cheap beyond words. If you really want to laugh, have a look
at the Pontiac G6 or a Lincoln Navigator. It makes me think that the
only people who buy American cars are the ones who have not looked
closely at a Toyota, Honda, Kia/Hyduai or Nissan.
K&H have some image work to do, but the 2006 Sedona is a big step in
the right direction.

RB
Perfect Reign - 30 Jun 2006 05:53 GMT
On 28 Jun 2006 04:24:44 -0700, Bobsprit@aol.com took a five minute break
from flipping burgers at the local fast food joint and scribbled on an
etch-a-sketch:

> I just think back to my '95 Jimmy (4.3L vortec CPI) where I'd already
> replaced the fuel injector twice by the time 60K miles hit. >>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> only people who buy American cars are the ones who have not looked
> closely at a Toyota, Honda, Kia/Hyduai or Nissan.

Well, there are other reasons. I bought my wife a Saturn Vue last january.
Very happy with it. I chose it over the Toyota Rav4, Honda Pilot, and Ford
Escape. I do like the Kia Sportage, though, and bought one for my mom in
March over the Vue for her.

I am currently looking at a truck, and like all brands - both Japanese and
American. FWIW, they all are about the same quality.
CMM - 28 Jun 2006 16:47 GMT
>It is interesting that CMM is so down on the sedona. I know of one guy in
>France with a Sedona/Carnival 3.9L who had issues, but that's really it.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>3. alternator - replaced
>4. wiring harness - they told me it was replaced before i had an issue

Either you've had good luck with the Sedona or I've had bad luck with
it. I'm in another Kia-centered group and, judging by the posts there,
I'm not alone in the problems I've experienced.

In my 2002 (now at 105K), here's what I've faced:

1. The fuel gauge is slow to register after a fill up and is
inaccurate after that.

2. The electronics (for clock/trip computer/temp) in the overhead
console no longer function.

3. The plastic bushings in the left sliding door's center support
broke off, causing the door to bind when opened and closed.

4. The passenger door is often difficult to open using the interior
handle.

5. The windshield wipers do not work properly. When running against
the wind with them on, the left one goes past the windshield's edge
and beyond the metal post in front of the left door. When they are
switched off, they do not return to their intended resting position
but remain several inches above it.

6. The interior door handle on the left side simply broke off because
it's non-reinforced plastic.

7. It burns about a quart of oil about every 3K miles. (It could be
leaking but I don't see any evidence of that.)

8. The air conditioner has been a bit dodgy since we bought the
vehicle; now it has not gone out completely.

9. One of the climate control switches fell apart internally making it
impossible to get air out of any vent aside from those on the front of
the dash (and the ones in the rear of the vehicle).

10. The lower glove compartment doesn't fully close so the light
inside of it stays whenever the key is in an on position.

11. The rear hatch is difficult to close. Slamming it using the handle
above the license plate has caused denting on both sides of that area.
(Overall the metal is dent-welcoming.)

12. The air bag light is on.

13. Sometimes when pressing the accelerator pedal, the motor does not
respond.

14. The check engine light periodically illuminates.

I think that's it but I'm sure there's something I'm forgetting or
some problem that will develop on my way home from work today or the
next time I take it through the car war or when a bird craps on it or
whenever…

That said, I'm not saying that the new Sedona will have these problems
(God forbid that it will!). I'm just saying, even with the
improvements in quality, it is impossible to tell how it will perform
after 50K, 100K, 150K miles. Even science requires observation and
there are not a suffient number of Sedonas at an extended mileage
point to see what will happen.

-- Christian
Perfect Reign - 30 Jun 2006 05:55 GMT
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:47:50 -0600, CMM took a five minute break from
flipping burgers at the local fast food joint and scribbled on an
etch-a-sketch:

>>It is interesting that CMM is so down on the sedona. I know of one guy in
>>France with a Sedona/Carnival 3.9L who had issues, but that's really it.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> it. I'm in another Kia-centered group and, judging by the posts there,
> I'm not alone in the problems I've experienced.

I'm sure there are a few.

> In my 2002 (now at 105K), here's what I've faced:
>
> 1. The fuel gauge is slow to register after a fill up and is
> inaccurate after that.

It is slow to fill up, but I've noticed mine quite accurate.

> 2. The electronics (for clock/trip computer/temp) in the overhead
> console no longer function.

<snip>

Yeah, you have some serious problems on your Kia. I do feel for you.

> I think that's it but I'm sure there's something I'm forgetting or
> some problem that will develop on my way home from work today or the
> next time I take it through the car war or when a bird craps on it or
> whenever…

Good luck out there!
mark - 29 Jun 2006 04:13 GMT
>>> You're right, Kia is a South Korean automaker. The point here was that
>>> Japanese cars used to be as junky as Kias are now. But, Japanese cars
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> -- Christian

Saying you are "off base" is not insulting--It's just my opinion.

-Cheers
 
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