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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / March 2006Slightly OT: MOT Test
Hi My Laguna has an MOT on Friday; the passenger door mirror is cracked. Will this be an MOT fail? Thanks, Paul ----------- 1992 RR Vogue SE > Hi > > My Laguna has an MOT on Friday; the passenger door mirror is cracked. > Will this be an MOT fail? Quite likely. Personally, if the glass is secured and the crack doesn't impede or distort vision and both other mirrors are ok, then I'd pass and advise. Another tester, however, would be within his rights to fail it if he wanted to. Best bet is to drop into Halfrauds and get a correct sized sticky one and fit it over the top of the existing glass. Only costs a few quid and safeguards against a retest fee. Badger. >>Hi >> >>My Laguna has an MOT on Friday; the passenger door mirror is cracked. >>Will this be an MOT fail? > > Quite likely. It's not an obligatory mirror so unless it's got sharp edges or it's about to fall off it's not a fail. John >>>Hi >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >It's not an obligatory mirror so unless it's got sharp edges or it's >about to fall off it's not a fail. Are you sure it's not a "if fitted it must be sound"? You're allowed not to have a NS mirror at all, provided you have a OS one and an interior one. Which reminds me, I could do with an interior one for the SIII sometime.  SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed." Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard. >> It's not an obligatory mirror so unless it's got sharp edges or it's >> about to fall off it's not a fail. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You're allowed not to have a NS mirror at all, provided you have a OS > one and an interior one. So remove the mirror part leaving the (safe) housing. That should avoid all argument then about cracks/distortion and functionality of the mirror as it doesn't exist. B-) SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail >>>>Hi >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Are you sure it's not a "if fitted it must be sound"? Quite sure ;-) Additional mirrors Any mirrors additional to the obligatory mirrors are not subject to this inspection. John >>>>>Hi >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > John But, obligatory is either o/s and interior rear view, or o/s and n/s. Just because the n/s one is bust, it doesn't automatically remove it from the test, the wording in the testers manual isn't clear-cut on this, hence why someone could actually be within their rights to fail it. Badger. > But, obligatory is either o/s and interior rear view, or o/s and n/s. Just > because the n/s one is bust, it doesn't automatically remove it from the > test, the wording in the testers manual isn't clear-cut on this, hence why > someone could actually be within their rights to fail it. I suppose but if I saw an O/S and an interior mirror I wouldn't worry about the view from the N/S. I shall ask the nice man from VOSA for his opinion next time I see him. John >> But, obligatory is either o/s and interior rear view, or o/s and n/s. >> Just because the n/s one is bust, it doesn't automatically remove it from [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > John I agree with John, as far as I can remember (7 years last time I did a test) you need an off side mirror and 1 other but this could have changed since then, in fact in 7 years the entire testers manual has probably been re-writen at least 3 times ( god doing mot's really sucked, I am glad I got out when I did:-) Icky >I agree with John, as far as I can remember (7 years last time I did a test) >you need an off side mirror and 1 other but this could have changed since >then, in fact in 7 years the entire testers manual has probably been >re-writen at least 3 times ( god doing mot's really sucked, I am glad I got >out when I did:-) I bet you are, apparently the new computerised thing sucks like an industrial grade vacuum cleaner. BTW, and a bit OT... anyone know how much a vehicle PSV test for a minibus costs, and whether there are any nasty traps for the unwary? The current bus was PSV tested when I got it, (with about a week left to run) and has a COIF, I was speculating that it might be more saleable with a new PSV on it, when I come to sell it. But if it's gonna cost a fortune and be a lot of hassle, then I won't bother. Oh, and another one for the MOT testers... The same bus still has "bus" on it's registration document. Can it be tested by a normal MOT garage and have a normal MOT. I know that it *could* be so tested, 'cos it was last year in May, but that's a written certificate, not a computerised one, so the bloke could have turned a blind eye to the "bus" bit or mor4e likely not known. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt" (confound the men who have made our remarks before us.) Aelius Donatus (4th Cent.) [St. Jerome, Commentary on Ecclesiastes] > Oh, and another one for the MOT testers... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > written certificate, not a computerised one, so the bloke could have > turned a blind eye to the "bus" bit or mor4e likely not known. depends on the number of seats up to12 class 4 between 12 &17 class 5 light over 17 class 5 a number of test stations can test class 5L as long as the max vehicle weight is 3500kg where I worked before tests them but Sheffields a bit far for you SignatureAndy SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce" It's big, it's mean it's really, really green >> Oh, and another one for the MOT testers... >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >a number of test stations can test class 5L as long as the max vehicle weight is 3500kg >where I worked before tests them but Sheffields a bit far for you It's currently 9 seats, but I've an idea the documents still say 13, so if the computer knows, then it'll come up as 13. I'll have a word with the local bod again tomorrow - he's hopefully going to MOT the car; work's done on it but they couldn't get a slot to log into the MOT system. Marvellous what modern technology can do for you, isn't it, except of course it's not modern - apparently the system is about 5 years out of date. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink; Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by; Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710) > It's currently 9 seats, but I've an idea the documents still say 13, > so if the computer knows, then it'll come up as 13. I'll have a word [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it, except of course it's not modern - apparently the system is about > 5 years out of date. 5 years out of date and still not running as it was supposed to is the test certificate a computerised one? because when entering the details it asks for the number of seats in addition to the drivers if it already on the system then I'm sure you can change it anyway I used to test quite a few that had seats taken out to get it in as a 12 seater just don't add more seats as the test becomes invalid SignatureAndy SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce" It's big, it's mean it's really, really green >> It's currently 9 seats, but I've an idea the documents still say 13, >> so if the computer knows, then it'll come up as 13. I'll have a word [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I used to test quite a few that had seats taken out to get it in as a >12 seater just don't add more seats as the test becomes invalid Speaking to a tester yesterday, if he logs an advisory, it is *supposed* to flag it at the next MOT..... Took him 30 minutes test SWMBO's car, and then had to wait 15 mins to complete the computer bit so it was 45 mins.... SignatureSimon Isaacs Peterborough 4x4 Club Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director 101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer! Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next 1993 200 TDi Discovery 1994 200 TDi Discovery body shell, being bobbed and modded..... >> It's currently 9 seats, but I've an idea the documents still say 13, >> so if the computer knows, then it'll come up as 13. I'll have a word [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >5 years out of date and still not running as it was supposed to quite... >is the test certificate a computerised one? the current one is handwritten, but then the current one probably says 13 seats, 'cos that's what it had then. >because when entering the details it asks for the number of seats >in addition to the drivers if it already on the system then I'm sure >you can change it anyway OK, shouldn't be a problem then - they can test it as 8 plus driver or 9 including driver. Since they've tested that size buses in the past for me I assume they can. >I used to test quite a few that had seats taken out to get it in as a >12 seater just don't add more seats as the test becomes invalid SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself. If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself. from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton. [MOTs] > I bet you are, apparently the new computerised thing sucks like an > industrial grade vacuum cleaner. I quite like it. Saves an awful lot of writing. John > [MOTs] >> I bet you are, apparently the new computerised thing sucks like an [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John I didn't mind it and it does save on writing but it's not reliable enough try registering a test at about 10 pm 9 times out of 10 the system reports an error and locks the card up it won't let you re-register a test because it says a test is already registered but it wont let you cancel the test because it say there isn't one registered the only solution is to wait until 6am for technical to cancel the test at their end (no one there between 10 and 6) which is great if a person has travelled a fair distance because your the only one doing 24hr testing Also up to three months ago Iveco vans were not recognised by the system don't know whether they are on it now SignatureAndy SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce" It's big, it's mean it's really, really green >> [MOTs] >>> I bet you are, apparently the new computerised thing sucks like an [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Also up to three months ago Iveco vans were not recognised by the system >don't know whether they are on it now Yesterday, they'd completed the work on my car and weren't able to test it. Previously, they'd have already done a test on it, rectified the failure points and then issued a pass certificate. They did this time, in a sense: They've already done a "pre mot inspection" and that identified work needing doing - now the work's done it should pass the test, and under the old system I could have had a certificate and taken it to town today to buy a tax disc. As it is I probably won't be able to do that 'til friday and that means a separate journey. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself. If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself. from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton. > I didn't mind it and it does save on writing > but it's not reliable enough try registering a test at about 10 pm 10pm? That's just madness ;-) Is it 24hr all week or only when you've got bookings? John >> I didn't mind it and it does save on writing >> but it's not reliable enough try registering a test at about 10 pm > >10pm? That's just madness ;-) > >Is it 24hr all week or only when you've got bookings? I now find the local place has no more slots available this week. MOT therefore not 'til next week. Arse and arse. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25 >> I didn't mind it and it does save on writing >> but it's not reliable enough try registering a test at about 10 pm [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > John from 6am monday morning to 1pm saturday It is a truck and van dealer so was done to test the vans at night when in for service etc from businesses & van hire places and also there are lot of other truck and van dealers around so we used to do 2 or 3 a night then more and more people started coming at night I had people phone at 2 in the morning to ask if they can bring their car down there and then I mean your laid in bed can't sleep so do you get up watch a bit of tv, read a book no I know I'll mot the car I think some people thought it might be easier to get a pass if it's at night, not with me, I'm a right mardy bastard when I'm tired SignatureAndy SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce" It's big, it's mean it's really, really green >from 6am monday morning to 1pm saturday >It is a truck and van dealer so was done to test the vans [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I think some people thought it might be easier to get a pass if it's >at night, not with me, I'm a right mardy bastard when I'm tired 's a bit like 24H tescos, surprising how mnay insomniacs there are about the place. 's a pity I can't bring the car up there... Apparently, if the system goes down you phone the technical bods and they give you an incident number. Once you have the incident number, you can then carry on testing... I suggested that the trick would be to sabotage the computer first thing in the morning... SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria" - Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno' > Apparently, if the system goes down you phone the technical bods and > they give you an incident number. Once you have the incident number, > you can then carry on testing... that's right it's just no-ones there after 10pm SignatureAndy SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce" It's big, it's mean it's really, really green [...] > I think some people thought it might be easier to get a pass if it's > at night, not with me, I'm a right mardy bastard when I'm tired <g> Too right. I assume VOSA don't visit overnight either? John > [...] >> I think some people thought it might be easier to get a pass if it's >> at night, not with me, I'm a right mardy bastard when I'm tired > > <g> Too right. I assume VOSA don't visit overnight either? not that I know of I think they only have one 2 o'clock in their day SignatureAndy SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce" It's big, it's mean it's really, really green >> [...] >>> I think some people thought it might be easier to get a pass if it's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >not that I know of >I think they only have one 2 o'clock in their day apparently that was the other thing that went wrong with thursday at the local garage - ministry man came. supposedly at 10 ack emma but was there at 09:30, presumably hoping to catch them in some malfeasance or other. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945) from Mein Kampf, Ch 10 Have a look here. http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual/contents.htm > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ----------- > 1992 RR Vogue SE |
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