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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / April 2006Anyone running on LPG
Hi all, I am seriously tempted by a 4.0 P38 going at a very reasonable price. Is anyone running on LPG at the moment and can give me any idea of running costs please?? Dave Assume I know nothing on LPG systems and you won't be far off! > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Assume I know nothing on LPG systems and you won't be far off! DiscoII 4.0V8 auto, 15mpg on gas @44.9p/ltr. (same engine and probably not all that far off the weight.) Badger. excellent. I seem to remember that you get slightly less MPG on LPG, and slightly less power, have you ever noticed the difference? I haven't had chance to examine the car yet as it's on the other side of the country! Seems almost too good to be true to have a V8 range rover that does the euivalent of 30mpg. have you had any problems with it? Dave > excellent. I seem to remember that you get slightly less MPG on LPG, > and slightly less power, have you ever noticed the difference? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Seems almost too good to be true to have a V8 range rover that does the > euivalent of 30mpg. have you had any problems with it? No probs at all, runs exactly the same on gas as petrol, I converted it myself as i do gas installations, not that that would be of use to you as I'm in the north of Scotland! System is an OMVL Dream 21N and there's no power loss with modern LPG injection systems. Badger. www.bhengineering.co.uk www.roverv8engines.com I asked my insurer before the modification and they mentioned as long as it was done by approved installer. Swinton insurance. My main concern is DVLA john || I asked my insurer before the modification and they mentioned as || long as it was done by approved installer. Swinton insurance. My || main concern is DVLA || john As the vehicle's fuel type is noted on the V5, and you are changing the fuel type, I would have thought so. Send the V5 to DVLA with the change noted, and they will send you back a nice new one.  SignatureRich ============================== I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one. >|| I asked my insurer before the modification and they mentioned as >|| long as it was done by approved installer. Swinton insurance. My [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >type, I would have thought so. Send the V5 to DVLA with the change noted, >and they will send you back a nice new one. What should you change the fuel type to for a dual fuel car? I havent got round to telling the DVLA about my car yet. >>|| I asked my insurer before the modification and they mentioned as >>|| long as it was done by approved installer. Swinton insurance. My [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >What should you change the fuel type to for a dual fuel car? I havent >got round to telling the DVLA about my car yet. Petrol/Gas is believe the norm. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Remember that to change your mind and follow him who sets you right is to be none the less free than you were before." Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (121-180), from Meditations, VIII.16 >>>|| I asked my insurer before the modification and they mentioned as >>>|| long as it was done by approved installer. Swinton insurance. My [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Petrol/Gas is believe the norm. In the early days "the Computer" wouldn't accept "LPG" but I think it's been changed. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Assume I know nothing on LPG systems and you won't be far off! Hi Dave, I'm running a RR 3.9 EFi (1992). I get slightly less MPG running on LPG e.g. 15MPG on unleaded = 13MPG on LPG but with LPG prices averaging half that of unleaded that equates to 26 MPG ... but a bit more if your foot's 'unleaded' as well ;-) Hope that helps. Regards, Colin > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Assume I know nothing on LPG systems and you won't be far off! I have just been converted to lpg for 110 v8 3.5. mine needed the ignition sorting and time re adjusting. Which had taken longer than expected. Unfortunately the chap didn't fill the 60 ltr tank up to much. Consequencially travelling on the motorway last night I ran out of gas in middle of traffic. While wear my quick reaction head i flicked over to petrol. Who will I need to inform of modifications regards john || I have just been converted to lpg for 110 v8 3.5. mine needed the || ignition sorting and time re adjusting. || Who will I need to inform of modifications Your insurers for certain. Didn't you check with them first? Some will not insure LPG vehicles at all without some sight of various certificates. If you run it without telling them of such a major modification you are potentially driving uninsured. Don't know if the DVLA need to know - I would ring and ask them, but I would guess they do. SignatureRich ============================== I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one. >|| I have just been converted to lpg for 110 v8 3.5. mine needed the >|| ignition sorting and time re adjusting. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >potentially driving uninsured. Don't know if the DVLA need to know - I >would ring and ask them, but I would guess they do. With my car insurers (norwich union). I rang them before converting and they said 'no proce increase and we need the certificate) I rang them after to say i'd done it and they charged me about £15 and didnt want the certificate! >>|| I have just been converted to lpg for 110 v8 3.5. mine needed the >>|| ignition sorting and time re adjusting. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I rang them after to say i'd done it and they charged me about £15 and > didnt want the certificate! I've just renewed mine with norwich union. they didnt want a cert last year either. I rang a few others and some wouldnt insure lpg at all, some were helpful some not! Richard >If you run it without telling them of such a major modification >you are potentially driving uninsured. No 'potential' about it. All insurers, in the event of a claim, will refuse to pay if they find _any_ modification that they have not been informed of. Someone mentioned recently, although I have no idea how true it is, that a central database will shortly include modifications that have been notified. Signature"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005 ||| If you run it without telling them of such a major modification ||| you are potentially driving uninsured. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] || true it is, that a central database will shortly include || modifications that have been notified. I meant "potential" in the sense that mods are always a grey area - most would ignore a GB sticker on the back, most would refuse to pay out on a Ford Fiesta re-engined to 6 litres if they had insured it as a 1.2. Kinda thing. LPG would seem to fall somewhere between the two. I would regard it as a major mod myself, if only because of the fire and other hazards of a botched amateur job. But I'm not an underwriter - hence the "potential". I still think the OP was a bit foolish to carry out the conversion and then start asking if he needs to inform anyone. SignatureRich ============================== I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one. >||| If you run it without telling them of such a major modification >||| you are potentially driving uninsured. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >still think the OP was a bit foolish to carry out the conversion and then >start asking if he needs to inform anyone. An LPG conversion is not performance enhancing and I don't think a claim can be dismissed purely on the basis of an unnotified modification unless it is material cause of the claim. After all do you notify your insurer that you have fitted a spot lamp? What they will refuse to cover is any additional cost incurred in a repair as a result of the presence of an unnotified modification. Unfortunately the LPGA has done a good job of spreading FUD around the insurance industry, so it is simply a matter of being safe rather than sorry, so notify your conversion and if necessary shop around for your insurance. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting || In message <4b7fblF10957uU1@individual.net>, Richard Brookman || <newsboy@nowhere.com> writes [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] || modification unless it is material cause of the claim. After all do || you notify your insurer that you have fitted a spot lamp? You should, as it enhances the value of the vehicle, and hence the amount you would expect them to pay you in the event of a claim. OK, most people don't, and take the risk that the spots would not be covered in the event of loss or damage. But an LPG conversion involves major changes to the fuel system and the installation of a potentially explosive gas with the associated tanks and pipework. At the very least, the insurer would want to know that the conversion had been carried out to an acceptable standard. Hence the need to notify. In theory, any change to the vehicle you described to them at the outset (and hence what they based the contract of insurance on) could be used to refuse a claim, whether the modification was material to the claim or not. Best practice is to notify _everything_ then you know you are covered. || What they will refuse to cover is any additional cost incurred in a || repair as a result of the presence of an unnotified modification. That as well. || Unfortunately the LPGA has done a good job of spreading FUD around || the insurance industry, so it is simply a matter of being safe || rather than sorry, so notify your conversion and if necessary shop || around for your insurance. Agreed. SignatureRich ============================== I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one. >|| I have just been converted to lpg for 110 v8 3.5. mine needed the >|| ignition sorting and time re adjusting. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >potentially driving uninsured. Don't know if the DVLA need to know - I >would ring and ask them, but I would guess they do. Yes you should inform DVLA that fuel is now LPG/petrol - purely a formality - no charge, but makes their statistics more accurate. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >>|| I have just been converted to lpg for 110 v8 3.5. mine needed the >>|| ignition sorting and time re adjusting. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yes you should inform DVLA that fuel is now LPG/petrol - purely a > formality - no charge, but makes their statistics more accurate. Can the road tax be cheaper if it is a dual fuel? >>>|| I have just been converted to lpg for 110 v8 3.5. mine needed the >>>|| ignition sorting and time re adjusting. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Can the road tax be cheaper if it is a dual fuel? http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/taxation.htm#Private/Light%20Goods%20Vehi cles%20(Vehicles%20registered%20on%20or%201st%20March%202001) Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting |
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