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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / April 2006removing 2.25 block without a crane....
Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think about doing a full rebuild on the engine. If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup?  SignatureTim Hobbs '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig" '03 Volvo V70 '06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck" Tim Hobbs <tim@spam.com> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think > about doing a full rebuild on the engine. > > If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is > left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a > length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup? I know 4 of us lifted a v8 on a scaffold pole rather effortlessly then went to shift a complete 2.25 lump using the same technique.... looked at each other...then hobbled to the nearest chairs. I'd go for a crane even stripped of the head. The last 2.25 I had (from percy) a rolled up scaffold boards with the lad who bought it in to the back of his 110. Never again! Thinking ahead you've got to get it back in eventually, so consider buying a hoist say off eblag, use it then flog it on on eblag after. Lee >Tim Hobbs <tim@spam.com> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a >> length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup? Depends how full you want your rebuild to be. You can leave the block in place and remove the head and the sump to replace the pistons/rings. I suppose that if you were determined you could lift out the gearbox (only takes 2 or 3 strong people and isnt too bad) and take out the crank and bearings with the clock in place? >I know 4 of us lifted a v8 on a scaffold pole rather effortlessly then went >to shift a complete 2.25 lump using the same technique.... looked at each >other...then hobbled to the nearest chairs. I remember being called round to a mates house years ago to help lift his 2.25diesel into place. I think it took about 8 people lifting the scaffold bar and a couple to roll the chassis under it. Nobody enjoyed it! >I'd go for a crane even stripped of the head. As would I - If you dont want to buy one either find someone to borrow a crane from or hire one. its worth it for the ease! They arnt overly expensive now if you go for a cheapy (if youre only going to use it a few times and make sure you stay clear of it just incase then a cheap one should be fine) > Thinking ahead you've got to get it back in eventually, so consider buying a > hoist say off eblag, use it then flog it on on eblag after. Or buy an engine stand, then hire a crane. I ended up buying a 1-tonne folding crane some years ago, ISTR that I paid £400 or so for it, and have never regretted it despite not using it that much. When I have used it, it's been worth its weight in gold and has been used for much more than lifting engines. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think >about doing a full rebuild on the engine. > >If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is >left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a >length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup? probably. taking the head off makes it considerably lighter... however, an engine crane is a fine and wonderful thing. Mine is something like this one http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101466&ts=24001&id=34358# and can be used for all manner of things, like lifting the front of a defender off the deck to fit new roadsprings... Must get some decent lifting chains for it, though - the ones I have are ancient and marked "13 cwt", so rather underspecified. We used it to lift the lathe off Steve's 101... SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep." Robert Frost (1874-1963) from Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening > Mine is something like this one > > http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101466&ts=24001&id=34358# Blimey that's cheap at £190! Mine is; http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=020110140&r=2050&g=107 When I got it, it was about £400 or so. Even now it's still £350. That's a fair old price difference, and mine only lifts 1 tonne.. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >Blimey that's cheap at £190! Mine is; > >http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=020110140&r=2050&g=107 I've one of these if you want to borrow it, Tim. Signature"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005 >>Blimey that's cheap at £190! Mine is; >> >>http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=020110140&r=2050&g=107 > >I've one of these if you want to borrow it, Tim. fan-bloody-tastic... Cheers. Having spent a day at the Commercial Vehicle show and returned with lots of tool porn, I've pretty much decided that an exchange head is the way to go. At least it will be 'known good' and actually no more expensive than getting the local place to blast mine, skim it, replace the valve seats etc etc. Especially when you take account of the cost of another valve spring compressor <glances at large Snap-On catalogue half-inched off the stand today>... If that still doesn't fix it, then the block will have to come out and be rebored or used for an exchange. SignatureTim Hobbs '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig" '03 Volvo V70 '06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck" > <glances at large Snap-On catalogue half-inched off the stand today> So I guess that tomorrows first job is to apply for a second mortgage and prepare the divorce papers. ;-) SignatureEMB >> <glances at large Snap-On catalogue half-inched off the stand today> > >So I guess that tomorrows first job is to apply for a second mortgage >and prepare the divorce papers. ;-) Nah, it's /porn/ init, wimmin don't care really. Mind, Charlotte has insisted I remove the Machine Mart catalogue from the bedroom - along with various other porn, such as the Merlin Motorsport 2006 catalogue. Signature"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005 >>> <glances at large Snap-On catalogue half-inched off the stand today> >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >insisted I remove the Machine Mart catalogue from the bedroom - along >with various other porn, such as the Merlin Motorsport 2006 catalogue. Oh dear. I've just realised that i keep my stack of /porn/ under my bed. At the moment i've got a machine mart catalog, a Vehicle wiring products catalog, a towsure one and some big catalogs full of garages and sheds.... > Oh dear. I've just realised that i keep my stack of /porn/ under my > bed. As long as you don't keep a blow-up dolly under there.. http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=000111067 Look at the rump on that! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> Oh dear. I've just realised that i keep my stack of /porn/ under my >> bed. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Look at the rump on that! Oh you sad, twisted gits :) With what I've got, I need no more tools, or sheds :O Karen (whose grateful for the oceans that separate us, sometimes!) Signature"I'd far rather be happy than right any day." - Slartibartfast >Oh you sad, twisted gits :) > >With what I've got, I need no more tools, or sheds :O You say you don't need andy more sheds - and you call us sad and twisted. You can NEVER have enough sheds, especially whilst there are 'women'. Signature"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005 > You say you don't need andy more sheds - and you call us sad and > twisted. You can NEVER have enough sheds, especially whilst there are > 'women'. What use is a shed to a woman? If Karen gets a shed and uses it to escape from her indoors, she'll defeat the whole purpose of the thing the moment she steps inside. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> Oh you sad, twisted gits :) >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > twisted. You can NEVER have enough sheds, especially whilst there are > 'women'. I never thought I'd admit it, but I DO have enough sheds - my property is crawling with them - I have my forge, the carpentary shed, the mower shed, the pool shed, the implement shed, the potting shed, plus a few where I keep the odd vehicle or two. And a couple of storage sheds too. God forbid what I'll ever do if I have to move out of this place, might even have to get rid of some of my late beloved's stuff to make more space one day! One of the advantages of this country is that properties just outside the city, like mine, do have plenty of scope for shed multiplication. Karen Signature"I'd far rather be happy than right any day." - Slartibartfast >>> Oh you sad, twisted gits :) >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Karen Do seem to breed don't they? Signature"He who says it cannot be done is advised not to interrupt her doing it." The fiend of my fiend is my enema! >I never thought I'd admit it, but I DO have enough sheds - my property is >crawling with them - I have my forge, the carpentary shed, the mower shed, >the pool shed, the implement shed, the potting shed, plus a few where I keep >the odd vehicle or two. And a couple of storage sheds too. God forbid what >I'll ever do if I have to move out of this place, might even have to get rid >of some of my late beloved's stuff to make more space one day! I believe that should we ever meet, I'll have to hurt you. > I never thought I'd admit it, but I DO have enough sheds - my property is > crawling with them - I have my forge, the carpentary shed, the mower shed, > the pool shed, the implement shed, the potting shed, plus a few where I keep > the odd vehicle or two. And a couple of storage sheds too. Do you not have a shed shed to store all the bits of shed? Shed. What a silly word for such a useful thing. Like cake. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > One of the advantages of this country is that properties just outside the > city, like mine, do have plenty of scope for shed multiplication. Same thing here - it's just a pity that work keeps me city bound where the scope for sheds is somewhat limited. On the bright side, my rural property seems to have started breeding sheds successfully at last. SignatureEMB >>>http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=020110140&r=2050&g=107 >> >>I've one of these if you want to borrow it, Tim. > >fan-bloody-tastic... Cheers. Give me a shout when you want to come and get it - I may also have a small engine stand free - which makes rebuilding sooo much easier. Signature"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005 > Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think > about doing a full rebuild on the engine. > > If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is > left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a > length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup? Even a bare 2¼ block is only just a one man lift - they are stunningly heavy. Hiring a crane from a local tool hire place would be a sound investment - if you lost control while lifting it out the potential for damage and injury is scary. I once loaded a scrap one onto a scrappies truck with two of us and we nearly dropped it. Even the scrappy was looking at his legs thoughfully afterwards..... a nasty moment. Richard Signaturewww.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone? Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay I loaded a bare 2 1/4 block into the back of my SWB to take it down to the tip a couple of weeks ago. I had to slide it up a ramp to get it in - very scary. I don't know how much they weigh but as far as I was concerned it was way more than a one (wimpy) man lift. The consequences of getting it wrong are to grim to think about. Hire or buy a crane. SignaturePatrick > > Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think > > about doing a full rebuild on the engine. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Richard Patrick Manuel <patrick@manuel.org.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > I loaded a bare 2 1/4 block into the back of my SWB to take it down > to the tip a couple of weeks ago. I had to slide it up a ramp to get > it in - very scary. I don't know how much they weigh but as far as I > was concerned it was way more than a one (wimpy) man lift. The > consequences of getting it wrong are to grim to think about. Hire or > buy a crane. But don't you get a comfy ride when it's in the back though! Lee > Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think > about doing a full rebuild on the engine. > > If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is > left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a > length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup? I did it once alone - young & stupid then, but I used four 44 gallon drums, two either side (one on top of the other) with a decent piece of timber across, lifted the engine, pushed the LR out of the way, lowered it into the ute. I hate to think what would have happened if things had tipped over. But it can be done ... These days I use a 2 tonne crane, like anyone else with half a mind :) Karen Signature"I'd far rather be happy than right any day." - Slartibartfast > two either side (one on top of the other) with a decent piece of timber > across, lifted the engine, pushed the LR out of the way, lowered it into the > ute. I'm assuming you lifted it with a winch of some kind... If not, you're beginning to scare me now... SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> two either side (one on top of the other) with a decent piece of timber >> across, lifted the engine, pushed the LR out of the way, lowered it into the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >If not, you're beginning to scare me now... I had improper thoughts but at our age decided it wasn't possible... AJH >> two either side (one on top of the other) with a decent piece of >> timber across, lifted the engine, pushed the LR out of the way, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If not, you're beginning to scare me now... hehe - yes, a Morris Lever Lift. Now defunct as someone oiled the clutch on it :( Karen Signature"I'd far rather be happy than right any day." - Slartibartfast > I did it once alone - young & stupid then, but I used four 44 gallon drums, > two either side (one on top of the other) with a decent piece of timber > across, lifted the engine, pushed the LR out of the way, lowered it into the > ute. I hate to think what would have happened if things had tipped over. But > it can be done ... Hmmmm - like me doing Series gearboxes on my own using the same method when I was younger and stupider. SignatureEMB > These days I use a 2 tonne crane, like anyone else with half a mind :) > > Karen But, but,but, no its to easy to make jokes about women involving the phrase "half a mind". Vicky was egging me on to buy that electric hoist from Netto but we don't need one that often and just in case I looked up HSS they hire a 2 ton folder for £25 for a day plus I have the old manual hoist in bits I should play some more with that and get it finished.Vicky still gets more machinery and tool catalogues than me- explains why garage is standing room only. Derek > Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think > about doing a full rebuild on the engine. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > '03 Volvo V70 > '06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck" Tim, Where in the UK are you? Cheers Peter Go to Machinemart and buy a crane and engine stand, then sell them on Eblag later. I bought 1.5 tonne folding crane, balance beam and an engine stand for just over £200. So far lifted a Peugeot 205 diesel lump and Rover V8 no problems. Having a balance beam and a crane makes it easy to do those fine adjustments when removing/fitting. Tried the engine off a pole trick and you have very little control and it is NO fun. The added bonus of having this kit is you get lots of new friends!!! Martin > Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think > about doing a full rebuild on the engine. > > If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is > left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a > length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup? |
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