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Dom J - 05 May 2006 18:44 GMT Just read that NERC is now law, so overnight all RUPPs become off limits to greenlaners. Great, what a fine country we live in. Government lets dangerous, foreign criminals go yet us law abiding types can't go green laning on RUPPs. What a bunch of arse.
Dom J
Dom J - 05 May 2006 19:31 GMT Just found this response to NERC becoming law...........
http://www.ramblers.org.uk/news/archive/2005/greenlanesdate.html
Dom J
Srtgray - 05 May 2006 21:46 GMT > Just found this response to NERC becoming law........... > > http://www.ramblers.org.uk/news/archive/2005/greenlanesdate.html > > Dom J What gets me is that the RA thinks pedal cycles are less damaging! In my days as a serious walker, it was the bloody mountain bikers who messed up most rights of way!
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beamendsltd - 06 May 2006 10:58 GMT > Just found this response to NERC becoming law........... > > http://www.ramblers.org.uk/news/archive/2005/greenlanesdate.html > > Dom J I wonder what happens when a farmer drives to his fields now? Surely they would be breaking the law?
I wonder if they will be prosecuted. Not. One law for some......
Richard
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Alex - 05 May 2006 19:36 GMT >Just read that NERC is now law, so overnight all RUPPs become off >limits to greenlaners. Great, what a fine country we live in. >Government lets dangerous, foreign criminals go yet us law abiding >types can't go green laning on RUPPs. What a bunch of arse. Well, I didn't f.cking vote for a bunch of neo-communist idiots. Just another piece of legislation I intend to ignore. Let them close all the byways, then I shall just be able to drive exactly where I like, as driving across farmer Giles' field will be no more illegal than driving down a right of way.
Alex
Ian Rawlings - 05 May 2006 20:07 GMT > Well, I didn't f.cking vote for a bunch of neo-communist idiots. Unfortunately it's the price of being unpopular, never mind what the impact of off-roading is compared to other abuses of the countryside, more legislation by headline. Like when Charles Clark got caught regarding the non-deportation of criminals who'd served their sentences, his reaction was to announce legislation to try and save his career. Sickening.
> Just another piece of legislation I intend to ignore. I have no idea what the penalties of breaking this law is, none of the press releases I've seen have mentioned it, so I suspect it's paltry but certainly worth checking before making your decision. However it does mean that land-owners can now block ex-RUPPs to vehicles without risking prosecution or complaint to the council.
Mind you with 50-vehicle convoys barging their way through the Brecon Beacons, it's not that surprising, it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for the rest of us. Unfortunately breaking the law is going to make matters worse so do bear that in mind.
So I wonder how many of the people who already break the law and go decidedly off-piste will heed the new no-RUPP law...
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Alex - 05 May 2006 22:58 GMT >Mind you with 50-vehicle convoys barging their way through the Brecon >Beacons, it's not that surprising, it only takes a few idiots to ruin >it for the rest of us. Unfortunately breaking the law is going to >make matters worse so do bear that in mind. If they outlaw vehicles on byways as well, how is breaking the law going to make it worse?
Alex
Ian Rawlings - 05 May 2006 23:24 GMT > If they outlaw vehicles on byways as well, how is breaking the law > going to make it worse? Blimey, talk about jumping ahead!
They're not outlawing vehicles on byways, but people ignoring the law and capering about on land they don't have access to, or people abusing land they do have access to, is a surefire way to get us there ASAP.
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Alex - 05 May 2006 23:46 GMT >> If they outlaw vehicles on byways as well, how is breaking the law >> going to make it worse? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >abusing land they do have access to, is a surefire way to get us there >ASAP. Call me a pessimist, but you mark my words, it's gonna happen regardless.
Alex
Ian Rawlings - 06 May 2006 06:26 GMT > Call me a pessimist, but you mark my words, it's gonna happen > regardless. When it does, meet me on Janet Street-Porter's lawn ;-)
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beamendsltd - 06 May 2006 11:53 GMT > >Mind you with 50-vehicle convoys barging their way through the Brecon > >Beacons, it's not that surprising, it only takes a few idiots to ruin [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alex Because there's still quite a few unsurfaced roads, as in roads not BOATS, that are open to us.
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beamendsltd - 06 May 2006 11:28 GMT > > Well, I didn't f.cking vote for a bunch of neo-communist idiots. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > So I wonder how many of the people who already break the law and go > decidedly off-piste will heed the new no-RUPP law... The current penalty for "driving other than on a highway" or whatever it's called is a £2000 fine - and needless to say, as happened to some of our club members [1], the Police will manage to tear themselves away from trivial matters like burglary and assault to deal with this terrible crime (sorry Lee et. al. but I realy do feel it's about time the Police truned round and told the Government to bloody well enforce such pathetic legislation themseleves if they are stupid enough to pass it) when some clown with no life and silly boots (how come people born and bred in the countryside don't need boots?) rings them up. [2]
It's a nice easy conviction, with no real evidence collection required, so the Mr. Mullets of this world can use the figures to look good - natuarlly the ill-will toward the law generated will not be recorded.
Richard
[1] Police attended within 10 mins, on a Sunday, in the middle of nowhere.
[2] still seething that a Mr. Fitzmorris didn't even get interviewed when he nearly killed me pulling out in front of me on my motorbike - but then I wasn't pals with the Chief Constable or a golf club member so I didn't count.
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SteveG - 05 May 2006 21:03 GMT > Just read that NERC is now law, so overnight all RUPPs become off > limits to greenlaners. Great, what a fine country we live in. > Government lets dangerous, foreign criminals go yet us law abiding > types can't go green laning on RUPPs. What a bunch of arse. > > Dom J Time to break out the horse and cart and show them what real damage is. maybe run over a few ramblers on the way just for good luck.
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Phil Gardiner - 05 May 2006 23:26 GMT >> Just read that NERC is now law, so overnight all RUPPs become off >> limits to greenlaners. Great, what a fine country we live in. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Time to break out the horse and cart and show them what real damage is. > maybe run over a few ramblers on the way just for good luck. If you've got the horse then can't you be a bit more inventive than just pulling a cart? How about a cart which is in fact a Series Land Rover with the engine and transmission removed? Or if you're feeling particularly beligerent then a cart which very closely resembles a plough ;-)
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Dom J - 05 May 2006 23:44 GMT I can't wait to see how 'they' are going to police it.............
Looks like it time to hit the council offices next week to find the definitive map and see exactly where i can/cannot drive. Although last time i asked for said map, i was greeted with the reply "Whats that?, try looking in that big pile of maps over there".
Dom J
beamendsltd - 06 May 2006 11:50 GMT > > Just read that NERC is now law, so overnight all RUPPs become off > > limits to greenlaners. Great, what a fine country we live in. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Time to break out the horse and cart and show them what real damage is. > maybe run over a few ramblers on the way just for good luck. Having done many miles on the same byways doing "horses arses" (carrage driving) as I (used to?) drive I can say that horses with carts don't do all that much damage, no more than an LR with sensible tyres and an appropriately use right foot. The real problem is going to be cyclists going down hills with the back wheel locked, assuming that they can get through of course, now that there's no one to keep the undergrowth back....
I have to say that, having been out with a couple of groups who were of the V8, heavy right foot and Grizzly Claw tyres persuasion, I'm not over surprised the ban has come in - I've seen a 100 year old surface in Derbyshire on a lane that we used regularly removed by one idiot in a Range Rover in 5 mins, simply because he could not drive properly.
Richard
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Ian Rawlings - 06 May 2006 12:22 GMT > I have to say that, having been out with a couple of groups > who were of the V8, heavy right foot and Grizzly Claw tyres > persuasion, I'm not over surprised the ban has come in Tyre choice is an odd one though, I used to use relatively mild ATs (TracEdges) on the defender with the idea that I wouldn't damage the ground as much, but I found that it was me who was ripping the ground up, not the grizzly claw types as I was the one spinning wheels. The off-roaders I know aren't the heavy-right-foot brigade though, so my current thinking is that agressive tyres stop the wheels spinning, as long as you don't drive like a nut, and it's when the wheels spin that the most damage gets done.
Having said that, I'm probably going to stop short of getting Anacondas for my new truck, and probably just stick with Technic Trackers as on my Defender. They're muds but not as agressive as the Anacondas.
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Simon Isaacs - 06 May 2006 09:28 GMT >Just read that NERC is now law, so overnight all RUPPs become off >limits to greenlaners. Great, what a fine country we live in. >Government lets dangerous, foreign criminals go yet us law abiding >types can't go green laning on RUPPs. What a bunch of arse. > >Dom J see my sig........--
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