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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / July 2006Slightly OT: Pinzgauer Sales Video
Sales video (needs windows media player...) from Pinzgauer: - Pinzgauer Video <http://www.automotive-technik.com/user_files/video/Pinzgauer.wmv>  SignatureEvery day of my life I am forced to add another person to the list of people who piss me off.... RichardB <rDOTbush@btconnectDOTcom> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > Sales video (needs windows media player...) from Pinzgauer: - > > Pinzgauer Video > <http://www.automotive-technik.com/user_files/video/Pinzgauer.wmv> look just **** *** I've nearly got the 101 finished! last thing I need is another toy ;-) Don't they look tempting... I can imagine the Caravan sat behind nicely...h'mmm What am I thinking.. time for another Pimms me thinks. Lee Signaturewww.lrproject.com a.f.l. & 101ers Unofficial October 2006 <http://www.lrproject.com/afl__101_owners_unofficial.htm> "Anti's - Give them enough rope and they'll be stuck in a ditch with alot of rope ;-) " Lee_D <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > What am I thinking.. time for another Pimms me thinks. > > Lee This give an interesting overview http://www.scancolorado.com/712m.htm Lee > Don't they look tempting... I can imagine the Caravan sat behind > nicely...h'mmm You'd need the caravan, towing it would turn any trip into an overnight job! That video shows the generation 2 machines, with 1.5 tonnes on board they can accelerate much faster than my generation 1 machine with no load, but you'd be looking at 80-90 grand to buy a new six wheeler. They are much more user-friendly than the gen 1 machines. > What am I thinking.. time for another Pimms me thinks. If you ever get tempted, the gen 1s cost about £10k unless you get jammy like me. They are bloody marvellous machines though even with the weedy engine and drum brakes. Spares aren't a problem at the moment and won't be for something like 12 years. Generation 2 machines are available second-hand for about £25K but the early models had engine issues that would need attending to if not already sorted. When my health's back together I'll make it to one of the unofficials or other shows and you can have a proper peek. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Ian Rawlings <news05@tarcus.org.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > If you ever get tempted, the gen 1s cost about £10k unless you get > jammy like me. They are bloody marvellous machines though even with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > When my health's back together I'll make it to one of the unofficials > or other shows and you can have a proper peek. Pinzporn here.... http://www.c-u-v.co.uk/new_stock.asp Lee D So! will they still be on the road in thirty years time with ample spares, never mind that the gas will have run out by then and my series will be sixty something. SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes > > Don't they look tempting... I can imagine the Caravan sat behind > > nicely...h'mmm [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > When my health's back together I'll make it to one of the unofficials > or other shows and you can have a proper peek. >> Don't they look tempting... I can imagine the Caravan sat behind >> nicely...h'mmm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >load, but you'd be looking at 80-90 grand to buy a new six wheeler. >They are much more user-friendly than the gen 1 machines. are they on independent axles, as well as portal? The pictures of one with all the wheels in the air certainly looked like it. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton. > are they on independent axles, as well as portal? The pictures of > one with all the wheels in the air certainly looked like it. Yes, the suspension and drivetrain is a tad odd, but built for reliability. Instead of trailing links, A-frames, drive shafts with UJs and all that kerfuffle, the pinz suspension and drivetrain has one socking great big joint for each half-axle that pivots around the differential itself. The drive shafts go directly into the differential housing and have a large crown wheel on the end, this meshes with pinions that are on torque tubes centred on the drive shaft, so the drive shaft pinions change their meshing angle as the half-axles move up and down. In this way, there are no other joints on the suspension. No trailing arms, no A-frame, no bushes, no panhard rods, no nothing, just a big beefy pivot around the diff, some springs, a shock absorber and an axle check strap to stop Triumph Spitfire-like tuck-under. Very neat but doesn't do much for your camber angles! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > RichardB <rDOTbush@btconnectDOTcom> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> Sales video (needs windows media player...) from Pinzgauer: - [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Lee Looks the business and more agile than a certain 6 wheeler we have seen.Were you thinking carawagon when you saw the armoured version towards the end Lee? Derek Derek <del.wattsnospambaby@ntlworld.com> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > Looks the business and more agile than a certain 6 wheeler we have > seen.Were you thinking carawagon when you saw the armoured version > towards the end Lee? > Derek Hell yes , it can get rough on the parking lot at work... blokes wandering around with guns and flash grennades, should be a law against it ;-) Lee D > Pinzgauer Video ><http://www.automotive-technik.com/user_files/video/Pinzgauer.wmv> The original sales video for the generation 1 machines is on the following page; http://www.rmpinzgauers.org/pinzgauerstuff.htm Have a look at the "Trip Reports" links, starting with the most recent, for shots of jammy bastards testing them out on some lovely terrain in the states. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> Pinzgauer Video >><http://www.automotive-technik.com/user_files/video/Pinzgauer.wmv> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >recent, for shots of jammy bastards testing them out on some lovely >terrain in the states. Not fair. I want one now. SignatureMark Roberts > Not fair. > I want one now. I want some of that terrain and scenery! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Ian Rawlings <news05@tarcus.org.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> Not fair. >> I want one now. > > I want some of that terrain and scenery! The movie is downloading now.... but why have I now got a folder called Pinz stuff on my Landrover computer... I detect a Pinzer manouver ;-) Lee D > I detect a Pinzer manouver ;-) You'll roast for that one you bad man... SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! || The original sales video for the generation 1 machines is on the || following page; || || http://www.rmpinzgauers.org/pinzgauerstuff.htm Hehe. I won't be able to say "vehicle" again without hearing "vee-hickle". The music is pretty groovy too :-) SignatureRich ============================== I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one. > Hehe. I won't be able to say "vehicle" again without hearing "vee-hickle". Indeed, I've managed to resist saying Steyr *pook* so far ;-) SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> Pinzgauer Video >><http://www.automotive-technik.com/user_files/video/Pinzgauer.wmv> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >recent, for shots of jammy bastards testing them out on some lovely >terrain in the states. fascinating stuff, and I see I was right about the axles. Nice shot of a haflinger in the works, too. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine... War is hell" Gen. Sherman (1820-1891) Attr. words in Address at Michigan Military Academy, 19 June 1879. > Nice shot of a haflinger in the works, too. If there's one vee-hickle that could push a series 1 80" off my purchase list, it's a haflinger. They only do 40MPH on the roads though. If fuel mileage is good enough it could be justifiable for most of my driving, which is 10-mile local trips on small roads. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! wow. I am definately going to look for one of them in 10 years time when i'm richer and theyre cheaper! > wow. I am definately going to look for one of them in 10 years time > when i'm richer and theyre cheaper! An alternative is the Volvo C303, available in 4x4 and 6x6 variants, they're a lot cheaper. I saw a 6x6 go on ebay for £2,500 in good nick some time ago. The only reason I went for the pinz over the C303 was because I got such a bargain on this one and knew I could sell it for a profit if I wanted to. Now I've looked into it more, I prefer the pinz to the C303, as long as I ignore the price difference! C303 was also known as the Laplander in some markets IIRC. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > An alternative is the Volvo C303, available in 4x4 and 6x6 variants, > they're a lot cheaper. <snip> > > C303 was also known as the Laplander in some markets IIRC. Do we allow Volvo drivers here? Karen Signature"I'd far rather be happy than right any day." - Slartibartfast > Do we allow Volvo drivers here? You won't be seeing C303s speeding on the motorway much! It's one of the volvos that you can proudly claim to own. Volvo have made some damned interesting vehicles, just not their cars. One C303 owner told a tale of how he broke down and told the RAC/AA that he had a Volvo C303. When the mechanic turned up he was looking for a saloon car and had to be shown the badge on the front before he'd believe that the large box on fat tyres was the car in question. I'd imagine that a popular passtime amongst C303 owners would be to tell 4x4 clubs that they have a Volvo 4x4, getting the looks of derision, then rolling up in one of those things and making fools of everyone! 34" tyres, lots of articulation and portal axles with lockers makes for a mighty beast. As cheap as a scruffy 200TDi Defender as well. Finding one in good condition is quite hard though and parts availability isn't so good. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >I'd imagine that a popular passtime amongst C303 owners would be to >tell 4x4 clubs that they have a Volvo 4x4, getting the looks of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Defender as well. Finding one in good condition is quite hard though >and parts availability isn't so good. Accompanying a friend on a journey to fetch a hillman imp, recently - when as half-expected it broke down, we phoned the RAC: "what car is it?" "a hillman imp" "wots one of them, then?" <sub voce>" it's a fookin' car, yer wally." I suggested telling them that we'd looked under the bonnet but couldn't find the engine. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine... War is hell" Gen. Sherman (1820-1891) Attr. words in Address at Michigan Military Academy, 19 June 1879. >> I'd imagine that a popular passtime amongst C303 owners would be to >> tell 4x4 clubs that they have a Volvo 4x4, getting the looks of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I suggested telling them that we'd looked under the bonnet but > couldn't find the engine. Ohh you are a wag! Signature"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt her doing it." The fiend of my fiend is my enema! > "what car is it?" A question I've come to dread when calling places up.. I usually say "Defender 110" these days. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! || "what car is it?" || "a hillman imp" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] || I suggested telling them that we'd looked under the bonnet but || couldn't find the engine. Remember that Candid Camera stunt back in the 60s? They took the engine out of a (thinks) Ford Anglia and rolled it down a hill into a petrol station forecourt, then asked the guy to check the oil. How we did larff. SignatureRich ============================== I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one. >> wow. I am definately going to look for one of them in 10 years time >> when i'm richer and theyre cheaper! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >C303 was also known as the Laplander in some markets IIRC. I'm not listening! :p >>C303 was also known as the Laplander in some markets IIRC. > > I'm not listening! :p Poooortal aaaaxlessss..... Diiiiif looooocksssss..... Foooorward controoool..... Thirteee fooor inch tyressss.... Threeee thousand poundssssss..... Oops, sorry, I appear to have become evil! Fancy an apple? SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > Poooortal aaaaxlessss..... > Diiiiif looooocksssss..... > Foooorward controoool..... > Thirteee fooor inch tyressss.... > Threeee thousand poundssssss..... TWENTY FOUR HORSEPOWER :p SignatureEMB > TWENTY FOUR HORSEPOWER :p No this is the Volvo C303 I'm tempting people with now, it's got about the same as a 300TDi IIRC.... Just checking on; http://www.volvoc303.co.uk/ 125BHP engine, 165 ft/lbs which I think is lower torque than a stock 300TDi, can't quite remember. It's a carburetted petrol so probably lower torque than the 300TDi. So no, it's the pinz that runs on clockwork, not the C303 ;-) SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> Poooortal aaaaxlessss..... >> Diiiiif looooocksssss..... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > TWENTY FOUR HORSEPOWER :p Scarlet painted, Omnibusssssssss. All to gether now.... Signature"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt her doing it." If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate The fiend of my fiend is my enema! > Scarlet painted, Omnibusssssssss. > All to gether now.... When cabbies try to pass me, before they overtakes, I sticks me flippin' 'and out and jams on all me brakes! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> Scarlet painted, Omnibusssssssss. >> All to gether now.... > > When cabbies try to pass me, before they overtakes, I sticks me > flippin' 'and out and jams on all me brakes! Then jackal taxi drivers can only swear and cuss Behind that monarch of the road, Observer of the Highway Code, That big six-wheeler scarlet-painted London transport diesel-engined 97-horsepower omnibus http://www.iankitching.me.uk/humour/hippo/transp.html Signature"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt her doing it." If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate The fiend of my fiend is my enema! ||| Scarlet painted, Omnibusssssssss. ||| All to gether now.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] || -- || Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Hold very tight please ... Ching ching! SignatureRich ============================== I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one. >>>C303 was also known as the Laplander in some markets IIRC. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Oops, sorry, I appear to have become evil! there are sod-all for sale on ebay. nor 'mogs, (well, about 2, highly priced). SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee" John Donne (1571? - 1631) Devotions, XVII > there are sod-all for sale on ebay. nor 'mogs, (well, about 2, highly > priced). Item number 4650653799 in "completed items" went for £3,000 just 8 days ago, I saw a 6x6 in supposedly good condition for £2,500 on there just as I was about to buy the pinz. Almost made me stall. <insert jokes about weedy engines> http://www.volvoc303.co.uk/ The prices are high-ish though. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Enough of this Pinzgauer porn please! yeah it my be not much more than a couple of grand but how much will you be spending after that, this is a mistake I made with my landie, spares being cheap and all, but these Austrian heaps, what is the availability of spares ? SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes > > there are sod-all for sale on ebay. nor 'mogs, (well, about 2, highly > > priced). [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The prices are high-ish though. > Enough of this Pinzgauer porn please! yeah it my be not much more than a > couple of grand but how much will you be spending after that, this is a > mistake I made with my landie, spares being cheap and all, but these > Austrian heaps, what is the availability of spares ? The pinzgauer spares are very available, some of them are expensive but they've been engineered to not need them in the first place. That might sound glib but these things cost 3x the price of the equivalent landy at the time (series 2/3), and are made of big bits of metal that take lots of bending. The engine is based on aero engine technology to keep it running, the suspension is designed to have very few moving parts, and the drivetrain is protected inside huge bits of metal. Most parts are cheap or cheap-ish though. The C303 engine (and I think gearbox) is lifted from a volvo car, but some parts are unavailable, e.g. the ignition coil hasn't been available for some 20 years, but alternatives are around. The C303 is far less well engineered than the pinz and it's hard to find examples that are in as good condition as the majority of pinzes on the market, so the C303 is more of a risk, but it costs a third of the price in the first place. If you want a reliable runaround that's good off-road, I'd suggest a Defender, but if you want something really interesting that won't break the bank, then you need to skip back to 1972 and buy some military gear. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! [pinzporn] here's some more. I expect this bloke is not the cheapest around though. http://www.c-u-v.co.uk/ mind, the site could do with more or better details. I've emailed 'em about it :-) SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Where they make a desert they call it peace" Tacitus (c.55 - c.117) Agricola, 30 > [pinzporn] > > here's some more. I expect this bloke is not the cheapest around though. He sells at the standard price of £10,000 inc vat for a Swiss 712M, but he'll quote you higher, that's as low as he can go once haggling starts. I've been dealing with Haflinger Technik, Dale is a nice chap and very enthusiastic, the business is run more on a hobby-gone-too-far basis, he's happy to ship you a selection of parts and will invoice when you ship back the ones you don't need, at least that's what he's done for me so far. Lots of useful advice too, he talked me through the initial stages of my rear light conversion for example. His website's shite though ;-) http://www.haflingertechnik.com/ Also he's in Lanarkshire, Scotland. Continental Utility Vehicles aren't as helpful in my experience, they've promised me a few things that they never delivered (including a price list for insurance valuation purposes) but they have more development on the go, e.g. hard tops, diesel conversions, LPG conversions, much of which appears to have been done by friends of theirs that they then put you in contact with directly. They have people in Sheffield and Harrogate. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >>>C303 was also known as the Laplander in some markets IIRC. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Fancy an apple? apart from the portal axles it could be a 101! > apart from the portal axles it could be a 101! .. and the diff locks, all can be added to a 101, I tried searching for a 101 that had portals fitted but none to be found. Come on chaps! That would be a beast for sure. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Ian Rawlings <news05@tarcus.org.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> apart from the portal axles it could be a 101! > > .. and the diff locks, all can be added to a 101, I tried searching > for a 101 that had portals fitted but none to be found. Come on > chaps! That would be a beast for sure. Whats the axle rating Ian? Lee > Whats the axle rating Ian? Axle rating of what? I don't know what a pinz axle rating is but it can weigh a total of four tonnes with full load spread out over three axles (more of the load carried by the rear two), 4x4 version can weigh up to 3 tonnes with load. If you mean 101, I don't know. Volvo C303 is similar spec to 101 so the portals should be fine, IIRC max axle load is about 1600-1700 kg. Not sure about shaft speeds and directions though, the C303 drive flanges apparently match those of a Defender, but whether Defender/101 prop shaft rotation would drive the wheels in the right direction I don't know, the portals reverse the direction of the wheel rotation with respect to the half-shafts. Flipping the diffs would sort that out, but I've not heard of that being needed when fitting to a Defender. Also as the portals reduce the turning speed of the wheels, you need to spin the shafts faster to get the same speed. There are different gear ratio portal boxes available on the 303, I don't have the ratios to hand. C303 axles particularly have been fitted to just about every 4x4 on the market at some point, even landcruisers, apparently their ratios are more suitable for highway driving than mog axles. They haven't been fitted to 101s yet that I can see! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! |
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