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Greetings One and All Prey tell, what is the prescribed method for routing electricky to the outside - well I guess the route to front bumper is fairly straight forward, but what do folks do to get the juice to the roof? Thanks for reading.  SignatureWilliam Tasso 110 V8 William Tasso came up with the following;: > Greetings One and All > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks for reading. ? For what? I presume for CB, spotlights or similar? If so a suitably sized cable works for me ... generally routed under carpets, behind fittings and under headlining as far as possible then out through either a hole and grommet (suitably waterproofed) for a permanent fitting, or through a door and taped flat as poss. SignaturePaul ... (8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!! : Greetings One and All : [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : : Thanks for reading. Dang, got all excited that this was an OT ciscoesque question then Seem to recall someone on here running a piece of ally up the front pillar to hide the cable run on the outside for a roof bar - have a look in the archives for 2003 I think - Colin Batchelor was the instigator of the thread Si ||| Greetings One and All ||| [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] || || Si Is there any reason not to use a snorkel, if one is fitted? Into the snorkel in the engine bay (suitably sealed) and out through a hole near the top. This would avoid any holes in bodywork, but still puts the cable where it is needed. SignatureRich ============================== I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one. <snip> : Is there any reason not to use a snorkel, if one is fitted? Into the : snorkel in the engine bay (suitably sealed) and out through a hole near the : top. This would avoid any holes in bodywork, but still puts the cable where : it is needed. That was the solution I was recalling - also recalled the poster - Paul S Brown Si > Dang, got all excited that this was an OT ciscoesque question then LOL - me too, especially as I'm currently trying to decide which one to get for the "comms cupboard" in our new house (I've already got the Cat5 installation planned as I will be re-wiring the entire house anyway!) Matt > > Dang, got all excited that this was an OT ciscoesque question then > > LOL - me too, heh hee - knowing that many folks in here are from a tech backgfround I knew that would get some :) > especially as I'm currently trying to decide which > one to get for the "comms cupboard" in our new house (I've already > got the Cat5 installation planned as I will be re-wiring the entire > house anyway!) You do of course mean Cat5e, I hope. May as well run in a few co-ax for video feeds while you're at it. SignatureWilliam Tasso 110 V8 > You do of course mean Cat5e, I hope. Of course! May as well run in a few co-ax for > video feeds while you're at it. Already in hand my friend! :-) :-) It's going to be a 150 year old house with more wiring than the space shuttle!! Matt :> You do of course mean Cat5e, I hope. : [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : It's going to be a 150 year old house with more wiring : than the space shuttle!! I'm just being terribly impressed with my Netgear wireless bits at the moment - if you want to bridge to say the garage, but SWMBO has decreed no holes or unsightly wires, can I commend the Netgear WGPS606 print server, dont bother connecting a printer to it, the for 10/100's are just fine for a localised bit of wired network in the garage and a wireless bridge back to the command centre. ahem - i'll get my coat Si > I'm just being terribly impressed with my Netgear wireless bits at the > moment - if you want to bridge to say the garage, but SWMBO has decreed no > holes or unsightly wires, can I commend the Netgear WGPS606 print server, > dont bother connecting a printer to it, the for 10/100's are just fine for a > localised bit of wired network in the garage and a wireless bridge back to > the command centre. Yeah, I've always liked Netgear as "home user" stuff - seems to be well built and reliable - and even my Dad managed to follow their instructions to install wireless broadband!! [Tho as default it does leave it wide open - not that I would ever take advantage of that by parking in a random street and connecting to the Internet for free using WiFi on my laptop rather than GPRS!] Will probably put some sort of wireless in place to cover the outside spaces, but you just can't beat a cable for sheer brute force when it comes to transferring lots of data, plus I can wire it all up so I can put data and/or telephone down the same piece of cable (not strictly standard I know - but hey, it's my house so I'll do what I want!) Matt >> I'm just being terribly impressed with my Netgear wireless bits at the >> moment - if you want to bridge to say the garage, but SWMBO has decreed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yeah, I've always liked Netgear as "home user" stuff /aol > Will probably put some sort of wireless in place to cover the > outside spaces, but you just can't beat a cable for sheer brute > force when it comes to transferring lots of data, no kidding - wireless is still a toy in comparison. > plus I can wire > it all up so I can put data and/or telephone down the same piece > of cable (not strictly standard I know - but hey, it's my house so > I'll do what I want!) perfectly acceptable within the spec - but as you're starting from scratch, I'd be inclined to run in more than one cable to every location. makes life much simpler when it comes to moves and changes later. SignatureWilliam Tasso 110 V8 > You do of course mean Cat5e, I hope. If I was cabling I'd *look* at Cat6 over Cat5e and possibly the odd bit of dark fibre from say the comms cupboard to office. > May as well run in a few co-ax for video feeds while you're at it. CT100 at least. Cable is cheap, installing it isn't. SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail >> > Dang, got all excited that this was an OT ciscoesque question then >> >> LOL - me too, > >heh hee - knowing that many folks in here are from a tech backgfround I >knew that would get some :) Having just had to resuscitate a 2600 series with ROMmon this isn't funny. Three goes, getting the right guess at the IOS it may originally have had - even cranking the baud with confreg led to >1 hour Xmodem IOS installs. I 'kin love customers who let their feckwitted stoned student son p!ss around with their business critical systems - no, I really _do_ love them - as we have their credit card number and they agree to pay not only my time, but an id-IOt interface error tax too. See: www.id-iot.com for full diagnostic details... SignatureComing quite soon: http://www.ulrc.net On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:14:06 +0100, I wrote: >I 'kin love customers who let their feckwitted stoned student son p!ss >around with their business critical systems Oh yes, and the cretin had also decided to swap the 2.2K UPS on their server and the 1K UPS on their router around. When I asked him why, he replied that "the bigger UPS should be on the router for longer uptime in the event of an outage to maintain connectivity to their server". My response of "But, your server will die quicker won't it?" was met by a smarmy "oh yes, and why will it?" "Because it uses twice the amount of power than the router?". At this point the customer ushers his stoned student son out of the room and asks me if I'd like another coffee? "Not if you're sending him for it I don't" - was my polite reply. They offered, I agreed - 600 quid (+VAT) for 4 hours work - all not at all necessary, but a lesson they'll remember. SignatureComing quite soon: http://www.ulrc.net > At this point the customer ushers his stoned student son out of the > room and asks me if I'd like another coffee? Please let him be Comp Sci and mor Elec Eng student.... Steve > They offered, I agreed - 600 quid (+VAT) for 4 hours work - all not at > all necessary, but a lesson they'll remember. You want to come and renegotiate my charges for me? I'll pay you an ongoing commission if you do a decent job of it. :-) SignatureEMB > ... > Oh yes, and the cretin had also decided to swap the 2.2K UPS on their > server and the 1K UPS on their router around. Talking of which (UPS) and straying even further off-topic.... I need a UPS - wants to be rack-mounted and deliver 4-6 amps for about 10-20 minutes. Need the type where all power is routed through rather than the cut-in jobbies. any thoughts? SignatureWilliam Tasso 110 V8 >> ... >> Oh yes, and the cretin had also decided to swap the 2.2K UPS on their [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > 110 V8 William, I'd be looking at APC - not the cheapest, but for an inline UPS the quality is there, and better still their sales people tell you the truth, not just whatever it is you want to hear. They were very slow to realise the need for rack mounted gear but over here, at least, they've caught up to the Taiwanese/ Chinese cheapies in terms of features. Expect to pay twice the price of those. HTH Karen Signature"I'd far rather be happy than right any day." - Slartibartfast > I need a UPS - wants to be rack-mounted and deliver 4-6 amps for about > 10-20 minutes. Need the type where all power is routed through rather > than the cut-in jobbies. My favourite is the MGE ones, cheaper than APC but just as good, and at least as intelligent, maybe more so. They also write open-source linux drivers for "nut", which helps for me. www.hardware.com, www.misco.com and www.insight.com tend to trade cheapest prices, sometimes one will be cheapest for the floor-standing version where the other will be cheaper for the rack-mount. I have an APC Smart-UPS 3000 in my rack at home (behind me right now in fact), when I get one of the other racks online I'll fit MGE I reckon as I'll be paying out of my own pocket this time and MGE are a better deal. My APC can power my rack for about 50 minutes, living out in the sticks, I need that! Beware that APC have a serial port on the back labelled "serial", but if you plug an RS232 cable into it, it'll power off the load immediately. You need a specially wired cable. It's stupidity like that which makes me not like APC so much. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> I need a UPS - wants to be rack-mounted and deliver 4-6 amps for about >> 10-20 minutes. Need the type where all power is routed through rather >> than the cut-in jobbies. > >My favourite is the MGE ones, These MGE ones seem to be line interactive, which I think means it is a "cut in jobby". I have a Liebert interactive and I blame it for corrupting a hard drive. I too would like a 2000VA ups, the mains in -> float battery -> reform sinewave type but I assume there is a big efficincy trade off?? AJH > These MGE ones seem to be line interactive, which I think means it is > a "cut in jobby". I have a Liebert interactive and I blame it for > corrupting a hard drive. You'r thinking of a "standby" UPS, they supply straight mains through a transfer switch which flips over to battery supply when the mains fails. A "Line Interactive" UPS has a combined inverter and charger which will take power from either the battery or the mains. The inverter/charger is running all the time, and there's no explicit switch-over to battery, the inverer/charger just sort of takes whatever it can get, sort of like in a vehicle where you have an alternator and an engine, if the alternator can't supply enough then the battery power is used, but if the alternator is supplying enough then the battery recharges. There's no charge/discharge relays. An "Online" UPS runs on battery all the time, with the battery being charged by the mains while also supplying power to the load. They tend to get hot due to energy wasted in the AC->DC->AC cycle so chances are it'll have a fan running full-time. Harrumph, while trying to get some specifics on Delta types, I found a decent wikipedia page which says it all better than me, so a waste of typing.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> These MGE ones seem to be line interactive, which I think means it is >> a "cut in jobby". I have a Liebert interactive and I blame it for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a transfer switch which flips over to battery supply when the mains > fails. Do you have any idea where I can get servicing info for APC UPS "Smart -UPS 2200 " perchance ? Thanks Steve > Do you have any idea where I can get servicing info for APC UPS "Smart > -UPS 2200 " perchance ? Try the following line in a google search; "Smart UPS 2200" filetype:pdf A few promising links but I don't know exactly what you have, they do change the gear from time to time while keeping the name the same. Note that if it's not working after a long time of not being used, try taking the batteries out and recharging them. Some of them power the intelligence from the batteries, so if the batteries are flat they won't power the relays up to engage the charger. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > Note that if it's not working after a long time of not being used, try > taking the batteries out and recharging them. Some of them power the > intelligence from the batteries, so if the batteries are flat they > won't power the relays up to engage the charger. Either that our they are dead! Sometimes you'll struggle to get them out because they have expanded so much! Best to keep a regular check on the internals if you are sensible - better to find out it's fubar before you actually have to rely on the unit for real! Matt > Either that our they are dead! Well obviously... Most UPSes (all the ones I have) do a regular self-test which runs the load on batteries for a few seconds, but with a line interactive UPS, if the batteries fail then the load does not get powered off. The UPS then starts shouting at you and you can often change the battery pack without powering off the load. Recommended battery life is 3 years, cheap to replace if you don't buy from the manufacturer! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > Note that if it's not working after a long time of not being used, try > taking the batteries out and recharging them. Some of them power the > intelligence from the batteries, so if the batteries are flat they > won't power the relays up to engage the charger. How the heck is a mormal user, without access to the right gear supposed to do that ? Steve > How the heck is a mormal user, without access to the right gear supposed > to do that ? The batteries are user-changeable, and are normally (in all the cases I've seen) 12 volt batteries that can be recharged sufficiently using a standard car charger on trickle charge. Sometimes they are joined together with a fused link to make a 24 volt pack, but you just unplug the link and charge each cell individually. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > Do you have any idea where I can get servicing info for APC UPS "Smart > -UPS 2200 " perchance ? Yep, but being in NZ it's prolly not a lot of use to you. SignatureEMB >> Do you have any idea where I can get servicing info for APC UPS "Smart >> -UPS 2200 " perchance ? > > Yep, but being in NZ it's prolly not a lot of use to you. Hell, if all else fails... Steve >>> I need a UPS - wants to be rack-mounted and deliver 4-6 amps for about >>> 10-20 minutes. Need the type where all power is routed through rather [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > These MGE ones seem to be line interactive, which I think means it is > a "cut in jobby". In addition to the splendid post from Ian, there's this site: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/power/ext/ups/typesStandby-c.html Follow the links at the foot of each article for a brief discussion in plain English of each major 'type' of UPS > I have a Liebert interactive and I blame it for > corrupting a hard drive. I blame Telecity/RedBus - you don't want to know how much we pay them for "un-interruptible" power that failed three times in quick succession last Friday. I'm still dealing with the hangover. > I too would like a 2000VA ups, the mains in -> float battery -> reform > sinewave type but I assume there is a big efficincy trade off?? Online UPSs - generate a lot of heat making the conversions SignatureWilliam Tasso 110 V8 > Talking of which (UPS) and straying even further off-topic.... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > any thoughts? I've always been impressed with the APC ones. Used to run these ourselves (Smart range) and supplied loads to customers on our machines. Aside from the usual dead batteries after a few years, only ever had one that cause a problem and APC were *excellent* in after-sales support - very quick replacement with a brand new unit no questions asked, I just gave them the serial number. Matt. P.S. Don't ever buy replacement batteries from APC - we used to service ours with batteries from RS - exactly the same manufacturer and type but 1/4 of the price! > P.S. Don't ever buy replacement batteries from APC - we used to > service ours with batteries from RS - exactly the same manufacturer > and type but 1/4 of the price! http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/ Also rather good on the prices for battery packs. Not just for UPSes either, ipods, PDAs etc. I've had good service from them. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:30:57 +0100, Matthew Maddock <matthew.maddock@nospamplease.mmaddock.com> scribbled the following nonsense: >> Talking of which (UPS) and straying even further off-topic.... >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >service ours with batteries from RS - exactly the same manufacturer >and type but 1/4 of the price! i've got an APC Smart BackUPS 500, bought about 8 years ago, battery still works, and stills gives me time to save my work and shut the PC down when there is a power outage. Seems to even out the spikes too, as it beeps on a spike. Bought it when I was at uni, as the power had a habit of tripping out easily due to some very sensitive trip switches in the halls of residence...... SignatureSimon Isaacs "Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote" George Jean Nathan (1882-1955) ROT13 me.... > I 'kin love customers who let their feckwitted stoned student son p!ss > around with their business critical systems - no, I really _do_ love > them - as we have their credit card number and they agree to pay not > only my time, but an id-IOt interface error tax too. > > See: www.id-iot.com for full diagnostic details... I passed my tolerance level for problems caused by the terminally dimwitted the other day, and told the CEO of my largest client that he could stick his service agreement wherever he wanted and that I was off to find a new client with less nepotism, fewer fuckwits and less stress. The response was great - they now pay me 10% more per hour and their two biggest problems will be collecting their final pay cheques (with included fuckwit cards) at the end of July. SignatureEMB >> I 'kin love customers who let their feckwitted stoned student son p!ss >> around with their business critical systems - no, I really _do_ love [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >biggest problems will be collecting their final pay cheques (with >included fuckwit cards) at the end of July. Result! SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria" - Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno' >>The response was great - they now pay me 10% more per hour and their two >>biggest problems will be collecting their final pay cheques (with >>included fuckwit cards) at the end of July. > > Result! 'Twas. And today they improved the reult by deciding they'll pick up the tab for my mobile phone too. I can feel calls to afl members being made in the near future. SignatureEMB >>> The response was great - they now pay me 10% more per hour and their >>> two biggest problems will be collecting their final pay cheques (with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the tab for my mobile phone too. I can feel calls to afl members being > made in the near future. Would you like a job? Always got room for a customer facing tech with those negotiating skills :) SignatureWilliam Tasso 110 V8 > Would you like a job? Always got room for a customer facing tech with > those negotiating skills :) You don't want me - I'm rude, arrogant and don't suffer fools gladly so I'm not really the most customer friendly animal to have on your staff. We could however work out a deal for you to employ SMWBO - she's a lot more customer friendly than I am and it would be a bloody good result if I could export her 12000 miles away. :-) SignatureEMB >> Would you like a job? Always got room for a customer facing tech with >> those negotiating skills :) > > You don't want me - I'm rude, arrogant and don't suffer fools gladly so > I'm not really the most customer friendly animal to have on your staff. perfect - you'll fit right in :) > We could however work out a deal for you to employ SMWBO - she's a lot > more customer friendly than I am and it would be a bloody good result if > I could export her 12000 miles away. :-) naughty <g> SignatureWilliam Tasso 110 V8 > : ... > : the prescribed method for routing electricky to the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > archives for 2003 I think - Colin Batchelor was the instigator of the > thread Well, I had two thoughts - aside from completely discounting the wire through the door bodge. First is to use the hole and grommet method (as suggested by Paul) but I seriously wonder about waterproofing such a thing, Second, it occured to me I could run a piece of 20mm pipe (plastic would probably do) up from the wing in parallel with (and in front of) the window/door frame. SignatureWilliam Tasso 110 V8 |
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