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helena - 10 Jul 2006 22:41 GMT Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London - she and the Land Rover looked *great*! It seems kind of different from the other models in the Land Rover lineup - kind of like a more compact Range Rover Sport, I think. Seems like it will come with all kinds of neat features, I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain Response feature I read about in a blog. I read it's supposed to be available around Spring 07, I think? What do you guys think of it?
William Tasso - 10 Jul 2006 22:58 GMT > ... > I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London URL?
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helena - 11 Jul 2006 19:27 GMT > > ... > > I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Land Rover - 110 V8 > Discovery - V8 Here's one - let me see if I can find the URL where I saw a group of them. http://www.allcarnews.com/inline.php?NewsID=574&ImageID=1
I think Maria looks *beautiful* - and I think she'll be an excellent spokeswoman for Land Rover - she's very "it girl" when it comes to tennis right now (she did very well at Wimbledon, too!) - and...I think she seems to match up with the car well. I could totally see her driving one, I actually think she drives one herself anyway, actually? I also especially love how her dress matches the car. ;) I'll have to check out the LR2 in person when I can. I wonder if they can match one to *my* dress? :)
William Tasso - 11 Jul 2006 21:06 GMT >> > ... >> > I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > them. > http://www.allcarnews.com/inline.php?NewsID=574&ImageID=1 I'd like to see how it performs after spending all day on the rough stuff and rolling around in the mud.
> I think Maria looks *beautiful* - and I think she'll be an excellent > spokeswoman for Land Rover - she's very "it girl" when it comes to > tennis right now (she did very well at Wimbledon, too!) - ... oh f'chris'sake, give it it a rest woman - this gushing marketing drivel is making me sick.
> I wonder if they can match one > to *my* dress? :) URL?
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Mother - 12 Jul 2006 23:21 GMT >I'd like to see how it performs after spending all day on the rough stuff >and rolling around in the mud. I reckon "just fine" and volunteer to test it out - dunno about the Landie, though...
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Mother - 12 Jul 2006 23:27 GMT >I wonder if they can match one to *my* dress? :) Send me a piccie and I'll let you know at the end of next week after I've been down to the factory.
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Ian Rawlings - 10 Jul 2006 23:02 GMT > I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain > Response feature I read about in a blog. Why are you interested in this? If you want to off-road a vehicle, then you need a lot more than just electronics, you need decent tyres and decent ground clearance at least, both of which you won't get on a vehicle like the freelander.
You can't tackle mud and rocky ground with a computer, you need the right metal first and foremost and a road-going 4x4 just doesn't have that. An intelligent traction control system can help once you've got the right metal, but you need the metal first.
If you want to go off-road then try a vehicle designed for it, which sadly land rover don't do any more other than the Defender, the current other model line-up just isn't up to it, no matter how many computers they put in them. They're too low to the ground, too long, or too heavy.
People say that you'd be surprised what a freelander can do off-road, that's not true though if you've done off-roading in a more capable machine. I've seen them off-road and they're not impressive.
If you want to buy one then buy one, but don't worry about the terrain response feature, it's largely irrelevant. It can't make it into a good off-roader.
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William Tasso - 10 Jul 2006 23:19 GMT >> I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain >> Response feature I read about in a blog.
> ... > If you want to buy one then buy one, but don't worry about the terrain > response feature, it's largely irrelevant. It can't make it into a > good off-roader. Don't hold back mate - say what you really think.
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helena - 11 Jul 2006 20:17 GMT > > I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain > > Response feature I read about in a blog. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore with one anyway - and iirc, I think the Terrain Response will actually adjust the chassis, etc, depending on what you're on - I feel like that would help a lot. And, I just think that's neat. I think the brilliance, from a marketing perspective, of the LR2 is that it is meant appeal to people beyond a, shall we say, offroading base. I think the LR2 is going to be one of those vehicles that would get people to buy the Land Rover brand who might necessarily never have found one appealing before - people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want an SUV that can do actual SUV type things if they need or want it to, but still works in an urban enviroment. I especially like all the extra high tech features of it (keyless entry, Bluetooth, sat nav with a DVD quality screen, etc) too. I think it will do very well. I'd like to check one out myself, definitely, when they are out.
Richard Brookman - 11 Jul 2006 20:42 GMT || I especially like all the extra high tech features of it (keyless || entry, etc) too. Let's hope they get it better than Nissan did. I worked with a lady who had a Micra, one of the newer ones that look like a squashed frog. She was in the habit of checking the doors were locked before she left the car. So she's get out and walk away, and <thunk> the doors would lock. She'd go back towards the car to check, and <thunk> they would unlock again. She could never be 100% sure the car was locked. It *should* have been, but...
It would drive me utterly mad. That one feature alone would stop me buying the vehicle. As for Terrain Response (tm), if all it does is to reassure city drivers that they *could* drive over ruts and mud if they wanted (oh, and sand, mustn't forget sand), then why not just install a really shiny tough looking knob on the transmission tunnel, label it Terrain Response (tm) and leave it at that. It would save Land Rover thousands, and who would ever know?
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Ian Rawlings - 11 Jul 2006 20:58 GMT > I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and > innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore > with one anyway What I was trying to say is that the terrain response won't make much of a difference, it would be like trying to make a car go faster by attaching a small propeller to the back and cranking it by hand.
> - and iirc, I think the Terrain Response will actually > adjust the chassis, etc, depending on what you're on The "chassis" won't be adjusted by anything other than the rocks that whack it, you don't adjust chassis, all it can do is possibly raise the suspension and put brakes on when a wheel starts spinning. That helps a little but it won't make it a good off-roader.
> And, I just think that's neat. That's the selling point, it's "neat", if almost entirely useless. It's a gimmick, and that seems to sell to some people.
> I think the brilliance, from a marketing perspective, of the LR2 is > that it is meant appeal to people beyond a, shall we say, offroading > base. OK, if you want the electronics then go for it, but don't worry about the off-roading gimmicks, it's not an off-roader at all so just concentrate on the other stuff that you're likely to use.
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William Tasso - 11 Jul 2006 21:38 GMT >> ... >> And, I just think that's neat. > > That's the selling point, it's "neat", if almost entirely useless. > It's a gimmick, and that seems to sell to some people. I think you just described the 924 of off-roaders.
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beamendsltd - 12 Jul 2006 09:43 GMT > > > I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain > > > Response feature I read about in a blog. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > quality screen, etc) too. I think it will do very well. I'd like to > check one out myself, definitely, when they are out. In other words, as someone said about the original Freelander, "it's a Land Rover for people who don't want a Land Rover".
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ChavScum - 12 Jul 2006 21:38 GMT > I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and > innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > quality screen, etc) too. I think it will do very well. I'd like to > check one out myself, definitely, when they are out. Is this a wind-up? This reads more like a viral marketing campaign that a sensible post. Oh, Helena is in marketing - hence the incontinent stream of steaming verbage above.
You're talking to the wrong people luv. It's a bit like trying to sell Yamahas to Harley fans.
Sabine - 14 Jul 2006 12:13 GMT >> I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and >> innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > You're talking to the wrong people luv. It's a bit like trying to sell > Yamahas to Harley fans. Amazing what an easy ride you get with an apparently female ID.
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Dougal - 12 Jul 2006 21:55 GMT > ................. people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want > an SUV that can do actual SUV type things What is an SUV? Is it an acronym that we want to use here?
Ian Rawlings - 12 Jul 2006 22:01 GMT > What is an SUV? Is it an acronym that we want to use here? Silly Useless Vehicle is a perfectly acceptable term IMHO.
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William Tasso - 12 Jul 2006 22:19 GMT >> ................. people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want >> an SUV that can do actual SUV type things > > What is an SUV? Is it an acronym that we want to use here? We make allowances on usenet for our colonial cousins and their ways.
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beamendsltd - 13 Jul 2006 08:27 GMT > > ................. people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want > > an SUV that can do actual SUV type things > > What is an SUV? Is it an acronym that we want to use here? Stupid Useless Vehicle? Hence, not appropriate to (most) LR's ;-)
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Nige - 10 Jul 2006 23:14 GMT > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming > new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > in a blog. I read it's supposed to be available around Spring 07, I > think? What do you guys think of it? It looks, to me, like a steaming pile of horseshit! What a watse of time & effort really. I'm sure it will sell well enough ffs.
Steve - 11 Jul 2006 11:04 GMT > > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming > > new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It looks, to me, like a steaming pile of horseshit! What a watse of time & effort really. I'm sure it > will sell well enough ffs. Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until 2007 to have and is already tried and tested. Probably comes with a free horse too. ;-)
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Ian Rawlings - 11 Jul 2006 11:27 GMT > Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until 2007 to > have and is already tried and tested. Probably comes with a free horse too. > ;-) http://www.landroverusa.com/us/en/Vehicles/LR2/overview.htm
"Demo" video available, showing it parked in front of lots of nice scenery, then driving along flat ground through more scenery. Impressive off-roading whizz-bang computer thingy in action ;-)
Well there's money in pretending I suppose, not so much money to be made in doing it for real, being as really doing things seems to be out of fashion in favour of pretending to do things.
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Steve - 11 Jul 2006 11:56 GMT > > Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until 2007 to > > have and is already tried and tested. Probably comes with a free horse too. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > made in doing it for real, being as really doing things seems to be > out of fashion in favour of pretending to do things. Indeed. We get to see it ..... errr ..... drive in a straight line along a flat road. I smell Nige's horse!
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GbH - 11 Jul 2006 12:40 GMT >>> Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until >>> 2007 to have and is already tried and tested. Probably comes with [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Steve And 'off road' at the sea-side.
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Ian Rawlings - 11 Jul 2006 13:24 GMT > And 'off road' at the sea-side. Did you see the way it tackled those pebbles! Amazing.
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Derek - 10 Jul 2006 23:39 GMT > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming new > LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London - [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > supposed to be available around Spring 07, I think? What do you guys > think of it? Its quite different from the rest of the range as its the replacement for the Freelander and a also little larger there is a full report in LRO July edition or some info at the website http://www.lro.com/nav?page=lroi.news.story&resource=5031659 NB this link is Land Rover's release info supply your own (large) pinch of salt. Personally I'm quite impressed it should free up a lot of Disco's as the footballers WAG's change over round these parts. Derek
ArthurC - 12 Jul 2006 22:37 GMT > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming new > LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London - [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > supposed to be available around Spring 07, I think? What do you guys > think of it? It depends what sort of guys!
The Land Rover originated just post WWII as the Rover company struggled to stay alive. By hitting a radical new market (competent all rounder on the farm as a horse/small tractor replacement and also usable as a simple road vehicle) with (let's be honest, Brits) technology borrowed heavily from the Willis Jeep, Rover created a real winner. There were massive UK exports worldwide since, as a side effect, the Land Rover became known as a benchmark expedition/harsh environment vehicle. Since then, LR have moved up market (to project the image of a country landowner, even if you aren't one) and also diversified into the new SUV market (to project the image of an out of doors sportsman, even if you aren't one) very successfully.
For those of us who are nostalgic about the UK's trail blazing past, or want a real off road workhorse, the projection of an image is irrelevant, and it's the real off road parameters that matter: adequate engine power coupled as reliably as possible to the terrain via the transmission/suspension etc, and clearance, balance, manoeuvrability and strength to use that traction when you've got it there. Yes, electronics can help a bit, although the big downside is the maintainability, especially in more remote territory. I run an old (nearly 40 years) Land Rover and there's nothing much I can't fix with a simple tool kit and an AF socket set.
Despite my cycnicism about image, LR have worked hard to both to meet the market perceptions and also to maintain their integrity in that their newer vehicles are genuinely designed to be off road capable to an appropriate degree.
So you'll get varying responses. From those like me for whom a trendy image means nothing, the Freelander or LR2 are not likely to perform like a Defender (or, perhaps, even a 101 Forward Control!) in a really harsh environment and therefore not live up to either the nostalgia or the definition of a real off road workhorse. Those more extreme than me may have some harsh views!!
For a good picture of a 101 (the Land Rover I really covet!), btw, look at http://www.winwaed.com/landy/history/fc101.shtml
For those who admire the new technology and the presentation, comfort, and on road performance, the newer models are praiseworthy and LR should be congratulated on having read the market so successfully.
Sadly, the environmental lobby against 4x4 is (perhaps justifiably) targetting the use of 4x4s to project image rather than fulfil a real need and, if they are successful, LR will have wedded itself to a vanishing market.
Lee_D - 12 Jul 2006 23:19 GMT > It depends what sort of guys! Well call me belt and braces but a IIa for sheer enjoyment and meccano tinkering bolting things in that should not go in / won't fit depending on who you speak to. Disco for towing our Caravan across Europe for our annual migration, 101 because I can and to show I'm a complete traction-a-holic a Fergie TEF20, now that really turned farming around in the war / post war era.
Oh and a Renault to go fetch all the parts / EP90.
What would I like LR to churn out in the next 5 years? Something to compete against the Navarna and L200 as presently LR has nothing in this league.
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ArthurC - 13 Jul 2006 11:13 GMT > > It depends what sort of guys! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Fergie TEF20, now that really turned farming around in the war / post war > era. Yes, I think I said that farming turned Rover round, not the other way (although the LR did make a contribution). Anyone else out there remember TVO?
> Oh and a Renault to go fetch all the parts / EP90. A what??
Nige - 12 Jul 2006 22:42 GMT > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming > new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > in a blog. I read it's supposed to be available around Spring 07, I > think? What do you guys think of it? WTF is a LR2????
Do you mean Discovery 3 ??? Or the Freelander 2 ????? I thought the D3 was the LR2 over the pond etc
Hotmail account? looks suspect to me.
helena - 12 Jul 2006 23:06 GMT > > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming > > new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Hotmail account? looks suspect to me. Who doesn't use a web based email account these days? Anybody? *shrug*
The LR2 is what it's going to be called when it's out here, as well. That's what I'm referring to it as, since that's what I saw it called around the web in articles, on Autoweek, etc. I think it's technically more like a Range Rover Sport than a Freelander, though. I'm pretty sure the Freelander is getting phased out of the lineup.
William Tasso - 12 Jul 2006 23:18 GMT >> > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming >> > new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova ... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Do you mean Discovery 3 ??? Or the Freelander 2 ????? I thought the D3 >> was the LR2 over the pond etc Heh - I thought LR2 was code for the new Defender.
>> Hotmail account? looks suspect to me. > > Who doesn't use a web based email account these days? Anybody? You really don't know? Most folk that wish to be taken (somewhat) seriously - where appropriate.
> *shrug* As you choose. Credibility is a fragile thing.
BTW - fit a V8 in one and bring it round here for an extended test drive. About a month should do the job - I can promise a completely impartial write up that will leave yer average auto-hack gasping.
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ChavScum - 13 Jul 2006 09:43 GMT LR2 is a Freelander. Disco 2 and Freelander 1 were so sh.t in Americy that they had to rename the successors,
> > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming > > new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Hotmail account? looks suspect to me. Derek - 13 Jul 2006 21:36 GMT >> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming >> new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Hotmail account? looks suspect to me. Nooo close but no cigar the Disco 3 in the US is the LR 3 http://www.landrover.com/us/en/Vehicles/LR3/Overview.htm the Furloader 2 here in the UK will be the LR2 in the US http://www.landroverusa.com/us/en/Vehicles/LR2/overview.htm and in Walford the Defender3 will be known as............the East-Defender cue music I'll get me coat
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Nige - 13 Jul 2006 22:08 GMT >>> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the >>> upcoming new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Derek Wanna buy a bike Derek?
Derek - 13 Jul 2006 22:51 GMT >>>> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the >>>> upcoming new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Wanna buy a bike Derek? No ta mate I'm getting a bit old for that game I nipped round the spares on the stepdaughters pushbike I may never be the same again so motorbike ? computer says no. Derek
Nige - 13 Jul 2006 23:22 GMT >>>>> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the >>>>> upcoming new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > so motorbike ? computer says no. > Derek I can picture the scene Derek!! I bet it even had a Girly crossbar!!!
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Derek - 14 Jul 2006 00:27 GMT >>>>>> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the >>>>>> upcoming new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Nige OOh bitchy, mountain bike 18 gears ( I used 3 ) razor blade for a seat no mudguards tyres with Landy tread depth and a frame too small for yr truly beauty of getting older tho is I'm getting shorter down to 5'10 now Ronnie Corbett look out
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