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helena - 10 Jul 2006 22:41 GMT
Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming new
LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London -
she and the Land Rover looked *great*!  It seems kind of different from
the other models in the Land Rover lineup - kind of like a more compact
Range Rover Sport, I think.  Seems like it will come with all kinds of
neat features, I am especially interested in finding out more about
this Terrain Response feature I read about in a blog. I read it's
supposed to be available around Spring 07, I think? What do you guys
think of it?
William Tasso - 10 Jul 2006 22:58 GMT
> ...
> I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London

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helena - 11 Jul 2006 19:27 GMT
> > ...
> > I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London
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Here's one - let me see if I can find the URL where I saw a group of
them.
http://www.allcarnews.com/inline.php?NewsID=574&ImageID=1

I think Maria looks *beautiful* - and I think she'll be an excellent
spokeswoman for Land Rover - she's very "it girl" when it comes to
tennis right now (she did very well at Wimbledon, too!) - and...I think
she seems to match up with the car well. I could totally see her
driving one, I actually think she drives one herself anyway, actually?
I also especially love how her dress matches the car. ;) I'll have to
check out the LR2 in person when I can. I wonder if they can match one
to *my* dress? :)
William Tasso - 11 Jul 2006 21:06 GMT
>> > ...
>> > I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London
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> them.
> http://www.allcarnews.com/inline.php?NewsID=574&ImageID=1

I'd like to see how it performs after spending all day on the rough stuff  
and rolling around in the mud.

> I think Maria looks *beautiful* - and I think she'll be an excellent
> spokeswoman for Land Rover - she's very "it girl" when it comes to
> tennis right now (she did very well at Wimbledon, too!) - ...

oh f'chris'sake, give it it a rest woman - this gushing marketing drivel  
is making me sick.

> I wonder if they can match one
> to *my* dress? :)

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Mother - 12 Jul 2006 23:21 GMT
>I'd like to see how it performs after spending all day on the rough stuff  
>and rolling around in the mud.

I reckon "just fine" and volunteer to test it out - dunno about the
Landie, though...

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Mother - 12 Jul 2006 23:27 GMT
>I wonder if they can match one to *my* dress? :)

Send me a piccie and I'll let you know at the end of next week after
I've been down to the factory.

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Ian Rawlings - 10 Jul 2006 23:02 GMT
> I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain
> Response feature I read about in a blog.

Why are you interested in this?  If you want to off-road a vehicle,
then you need a lot more than just electronics, you need decent tyres
and decent ground clearance at least, both of which you won't get on a
vehicle like the freelander.

You can't tackle mud and rocky ground with a computer, you need the
right metal first and foremost and a road-going 4x4 just doesn't have
that.  An intelligent traction control system can help once you've got
the right metal, but you need the metal first.

If you want to go off-road then try a vehicle designed for it, which
sadly land rover don't do any more other than the Defender, the
current other model line-up just isn't up to it, no matter how many
computers they put in them.  They're too low to the ground, too long,
or too heavy.

People say that you'd be surprised what a freelander can do off-road,
that's not true though if you've done off-roading in a more capable
machine.  I've seen them off-road and they're not impressive.

If you want to buy one then buy one, but don't worry about the terrain
response feature, it's largely irrelevant.  It can't make it into a
good off-roader.

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William Tasso - 10 Jul 2006 23:19 GMT
>> I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain
>> Response feature I read about in a blog.

> ...
> If you want to buy one then buy one, but don't worry about the terrain
> response feature, it's largely irrelevant.  It can't make it into a
> good off-roader.

Don't hold back mate - say what you really think.

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helena - 11 Jul 2006 20:17 GMT
> > I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain
> > Response feature I read about in a blog.
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> --
> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and
innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore
with one anyway - and iirc, I think the Terrain Response will actually
adjust the chassis, etc, depending on what you're on - I feel like that
would help a lot. And, I just think that's neat. I think the
brilliance, from a marketing perspective, of the LR2 is that it is
meant appeal to people beyond a, shall we say, offroading base. I think
the LR2 is going to be one of those vehicles that would get people to
buy the Land Rover brand who might necessarily never have found one
appealing before - people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want
an SUV that can do actual SUV type things if they need or want it to,
but still works in an urban enviroment. I especially like all the extra
high tech features of it (keyless entry, Bluetooth, sat nav with a DVD
quality screen, etc) too. I think it will do very well. I'd like to
check one out myself, definitely, when they are out.
Richard Brookman - 11 Jul 2006 20:42 GMT
|| I especially like all the extra high tech features of it (keyless
|| entry, etc) too.

Let's hope they get it better than Nissan did.  I worked with a lady who had
a Micra, one of the newer ones that look like a squashed frog.  She was in
the habit of checking the doors were locked before she left the car.  So
she's get out and walk away, and <thunk> the doors would lock.  She'd go
back towards the car to check, and <thunk> they would unlock again.  She
could never be 100% sure the car was locked.  It *should* have been, but...

It would drive me utterly mad.  That one feature alone would stop me buying
the vehicle.  As for Terrain Response (tm), if all it does is to reassure
city drivers that they *could* drive over ruts and mud if they wanted (oh,
and sand, mustn't forget sand), then why not just install a really shiny
tough looking knob on the transmission tunnel, label it Terrain Response
(tm) and leave it at that.  It would save Land Rover thousands, and who
would ever know?

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Ian Rawlings - 11 Jul 2006 20:58 GMT
> I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and
> innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore
> with one anyway

What I was trying to say is that the terrain response won't make much
of a difference, it would be like trying to make a car go faster by
attaching a small propeller to the back and cranking it by hand.

> - and iirc, I think the Terrain Response will actually
> adjust the chassis, etc, depending on what you're on

The "chassis" won't be adjusted by anything other than the rocks that
whack it, you don't adjust chassis, all it can do is possibly raise
the suspension and put brakes on when a wheel starts spinning.  That
helps a little but it won't make it a good off-roader.

> And, I just think that's neat.

That's the selling point, it's "neat", if almost entirely useless.
It's a gimmick, and that seems to sell to some people.

> I think the brilliance, from a marketing perspective, of the LR2 is
> that it is meant appeal to people beyond a, shall we say, offroading
> base.

OK, if you want the electronics then go for it, but don't worry about
the off-roading gimmicks, it's not an off-roader at all so just
concentrate on the other stuff that you're likely to use.

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William Tasso - 11 Jul 2006 21:38 GMT
>> ...
>> And, I just think that's neat.
>
> That's the selling point, it's "neat", if almost entirely useless.
> It's a gimmick, and that seems to sell to some people.

I think you just described the 924 of off-roaders.

blow-wave with your rinse ma'am?

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beamendsltd - 12 Jul 2006 09:43 GMT
> > > I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain
> > > Response feature I read about in a blog.
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> quality screen, etc) too. I think it will do very well. I'd like to
> check one out myself, definitely, when they are out.

In other words, as someone said about the original Freelander,
"it's a Land Rover for people who don't want a Land Rover".

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ChavScum - 12 Jul 2006 21:38 GMT
> I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and
> innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> quality screen, etc) too. I think it will do very well. I'd like to
> check one out myself, definitely, when they are out.

Is this a wind-up?  This reads more like a viral marketing campaign
that a sensible post.  Oh, Helena is in marketing - hence the
incontinent stream of steaming verbage above.

You're talking to the wrong people luv.  It's a bit like trying to sell
Yamahas to Harley fans.
Sabine - 14 Jul 2006 12:13 GMT
>> I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and
>> innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> You're talking to the wrong people luv.  It's a bit like trying to sell
> Yamahas to Harley fans.

Amazing what an easy ride you get with an apparently female ID.

Jeremy

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Dougal - 12 Jul 2006 21:55 GMT
> ................. people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want
> an SUV that can do actual SUV type things

What is an SUV? Is it an acronym that we want to use here?
Ian Rawlings - 12 Jul 2006 22:01 GMT
> What is an SUV? Is it an acronym that we want to use here?

Silly Useless Vehicle is a perfectly acceptable term IMHO.

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William Tasso - 12 Jul 2006 22:19 GMT
>> ................. people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want
>> an SUV that can do actual SUV type things
>
> What is an SUV? Is it an acronym that we want to use here?

We make allowances on usenet for our colonial cousins and their ways.

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beamendsltd - 13 Jul 2006 08:27 GMT
> > ................. people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want
> > an SUV that can do actual SUV type things
>
> What is an SUV? Is it an acronym that we want to use here?

Stupid Useless Vehicle? Hence, not appropriate to (most) LR's ;-)

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Nige - 10 Jul 2006 23:14 GMT
> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming
> new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> in a blog. I read it's supposed to be available around Spring 07, I
> think? What do you guys think of it?

It looks, to me, like a steaming pile of horseshit! What a  watse of time & effort really. I'm sure it
will sell well enough ffs.
Steve - 11 Jul 2006 11:04 GMT
> > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming
> > new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> It looks, to me, like a steaming pile of horseshit! What a  watse of time & effort really. I'm sure it
> will sell well enough ffs.

Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until 2007 to
have and is already tried and tested.  Probably comes with a free horse too.
;-)

Steve
Ian Rawlings - 11 Jul 2006 11:27 GMT
> Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until 2007 to
> have and is already tried and tested.  Probably comes with a free horse too.
> ;-)

http://www.landroverusa.com/us/en/Vehicles/LR2/overview.htm

"Demo" video available, showing it parked in front of lots of nice
scenery, then driving along flat ground through more scenery.
Impressive off-roading whizz-bang computer thingy in action ;-)

Well there's money in pretending I suppose, not so much money to be
made in doing it for real, being as really doing things seems to be
out of fashion in favour of pretending to do things.

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Steve - 11 Jul 2006 11:56 GMT
> > Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until 2007 to
> > have and is already tried and tested.  Probably comes with a free horse too.
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> made in doing it for real, being as really doing things seems to be
> out of fashion in favour of pretending to do things.

Indeed.  We get to see it ..... errr ..... drive in a straight line along a
flat road.  I smell Nige's horse!

Steve
GbH - 11 Jul 2006 12:40 GMT
>>> Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until
>>> 2007 to have and is already tried and tested.  Probably comes with
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>
> Steve

And 'off road' at the sea-side.
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Ian Rawlings - 11 Jul 2006 13:24 GMT
> And 'off road' at the sea-side.

Did you see the way it tackled those pebbles!  Amazing.

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Derek - 10 Jul 2006 23:39 GMT
> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming new
> LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London -
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> supposed to be available around Spring 07, I think? What do you guys
> think of it?

Its quite different from the rest of the range as its the replacement for
the Freelander and a also little larger there is a full report in LRO July
edition or some info  at the website
http://www.lro.com/nav?page=lroi.news.story&resource=5031659
NB this link is Land Rover's release info supply your own (large) pinch of
salt. Personally I'm quite impressed it should free up a lot of Disco's as
the footballers WAG's change over round these parts.
Derek
ArthurC - 12 Jul 2006 22:37 GMT
> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming new
> LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London -
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> supposed to be available around Spring 07, I think? What do you guys
> think of it?

It depends what sort of guys!

The Land Rover originated just post WWII as the Rover company struggled
to stay alive.  By hitting a radical new market (competent all rounder
on the farm as a horse/small tractor replacement and also usable as a
simple road vehicle) with (let's be honest, Brits) technology borrowed
heavily from the Willis Jeep, Rover created a real winner. There were
massive UK exports worldwide since, as a side effect, the Land Rover
became known as a benchmark expedition/harsh environment vehicle.
Since then, LR have moved up market (to project the image of a country
landowner, even if you aren't one) and also diversified into the new
SUV market (to project the image of an out of doors sportsman, even if
you aren't one) very successfully.

For those of us who are nostalgic about the UK's trail blazing past, or
want a real off road workhorse, the projection of an image is
irrelevant, and it's the real off road parameters that matter: adequate
engine power coupled as reliably as possible to the terrain via the
transmission/suspension etc, and clearance, balance, manoeuvrability
and strength to use that traction when you've got it there.  Yes,
electronics can help a bit, although the big downside is the
maintainability, especially in more remote territory.  I run an old
(nearly 40 years) Land Rover and there's nothing much I can't fix with
a simple tool kit and an AF socket set.

Despite my cycnicism about image, LR have worked hard to both to meet
the market perceptions and also to maintain their integrity in that
their newer vehicles are genuinely designed to be off road capable to
an appropriate degree.

So you'll get varying responses.  From those like me for whom a trendy
image means nothing, the Freelander or LR2 are not likely to perform
like a Defender (or, perhaps, even a 101 Forward Control!) in a really
harsh environment and therefore not live up to either the nostalgia or
the definition of a real off road workhorse.  Those more extreme than
me may have some harsh views!!

For a good picture of a 101 (the Land Rover I really covet!), btw, look
at http://www.winwaed.com/landy/history/fc101.shtml

For those who admire the new technology and the presentation, comfort,
and on road performance, the newer models are praiseworthy and LR
should be congratulated on having read the market so successfully.

Sadly, the environmental lobby against 4x4 is (perhaps justifiably)
targetting the use of 4x4s to project image rather than fulfil a real
need and, if they are successful, LR will have wedded itself to a
vanishing market.
Lee_D - 12 Jul 2006 23:19 GMT
> It depends what sort of guys!

Well call me belt and braces but a IIa for sheer enjoyment and meccano
tinkering bolting things in that should not go in / won't fit depending on
who you speak to. Disco for towing our Caravan across Europe for our annual
migration, 101 because I can and to show I'm a complete traction-a-holic a
Fergie TEF20, now that really turned farming around in the war / post war
era.

Oh and a Renault to go fetch all the parts / EP90.

What would I like LR to churn out in the next 5 years? Something to compete
against the Navarna and L200 as presently LR has nothing in this league.

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ArthurC - 13 Jul 2006 11:13 GMT
> > It depends what sort of guys!
>
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> Fergie TEF20, now that really turned farming around in the war / post war
> era.

Yes, I think I said that farming turned Rover round, not the other way
(although the LR did make a contribution).  Anyone else out there
remember TVO?

> Oh and a Renault to go fetch all the parts / EP90.

A what??
Nige - 12 Jul 2006 22:42 GMT
> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming
> new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> in a blog. I read it's supposed to be available around Spring 07, I
> think? What do you guys think of it?

WTF is a LR2????

Do you mean Discovery 3 ??? Or the Freelander 2 ????? I thought the D3 was the LR2 over the pond etc

Hotmail account? looks suspect to me.
helena - 12 Jul 2006 23:06 GMT
> > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming
> > new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Hotmail account? looks suspect to me.

Who doesn't use a web based email account these days? Anybody? *shrug*

The LR2 is what it's going to be called when it's out here, as well.
That's what I'm referring to it as, since that's what I saw it called
around the web in articles, on Autoweek, etc. I think it's technically
more like a Range Rover Sport than a Freelander, though. I'm pretty
sure the Freelander is getting phased out of the lineup.
William Tasso - 12 Jul 2006 23:18 GMT
>> > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming
>> > new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova ...
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>> Do you mean Discovery 3 ??? Or the Freelander 2 ????? I thought the D3  
>> was the LR2 over the pond etc

Heh - I thought LR2 was code for the new Defender.

>> Hotmail account? looks suspect to me.
>
> Who doesn't use a web based email account these days? Anybody?

You really don't know?  Most folk that wish to be taken (somewhat)  
seriously - where appropriate.

> *shrug*

As you choose.  Credibility is a fragile thing.

BTW - fit a V8 in one and bring it round here for an extended test drive.  
About a month should do the job - I can promise a completely impartial  
write up that will leave yer average auto-hack gasping.

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ChavScum - 13 Jul 2006 09:43 GMT
LR2 is a Freelander.  Disco 2 and Freelander 1 were so sh.t in Americy
that they had to rename the successors,

> > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming
> > new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Hotmail account? looks suspect to me.
Derek - 13 Jul 2006 21:36 GMT
>> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming
>> new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Hotmail account? looks suspect to me.
Nooo close but no cigar the Disco 3  in the US is  the LR 3
http://www.landrover.com/us/en/Vehicles/LR3/Overview.htm   the Furloader 2
here in the UK will be the LR2 in the US
http://www.landroverusa.com/us/en/Vehicles/LR2/overview.htm
and in Walford the Defender3 will be known as............the East-Defender
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I'll get me coat

Derek
Nige - 13 Jul 2006 22:08 GMT
>>> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the
>>> upcoming new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova
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>
> Derek

Wanna buy a bike Derek?
Derek - 13 Jul 2006 22:51 GMT
>>>> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the
>>>> upcoming new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova
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>
> Wanna buy a bike Derek?
No ta mate I'm getting a bit old for that game  I nipped round the spares on
the stepdaughters pushbike I may never be the same again so motorbike ?
computer says no.
Derek
Nige - 13 Jul 2006 23:22 GMT
>>>>> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the
>>>>> upcoming new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> so motorbike ? computer says no.
> Derek

I can picture the scene Derek!! I bet it even had a Girly crossbar!!!

Nige
Derek - 14 Jul 2006 00:27 GMT
>>>>>> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the
>>>>>> upcoming new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova
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>
> Nige
OOh bitchy, mountain bike 18 gears ( I used 3 ) razor blade for a seat no
mudguards tyres with Landy tread depth and a  frame too small for yr truly
beauty of getting older tho  is I'm getting shorter down to 5'10 now Ronnie
Corbett look out

Derek
 
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