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Mark Solesbury - 28 Sep 2006 21:02 GMT
Evening

On the way to the pub tonight (as it was my turn to cook :)) the bastard
exhaust came off.

The previous owner has removed the last backbox, and moved the exhaust
output up a bit, through the body so its out of the way...

if im lucky, i can get someone to weld a bit of straight pipe on the end
of where its broken off from a but joint and just bolt it back on...

Well thats the plan.. Can you weld exhaust pipe? I assume so...

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Tom Woods - 28 Sep 2006 21:19 GMT
>Evening
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Well thats the plan.. Can you weld exhaust pipe? I assume so...

yep, you can weld it though if its really rusty it can take a bit of
effort and disturbing the exhaust to weld one bit can often snap
another rusty bit!

Find a mate who has a welder and give him some beers! if its right at
the end and easy to get to it is only a quick job!
Lee_D - 28 Sep 2006 21:21 GMT
Mark Solesbury <mark_solesbury@tiscaliIWONDERIFTHISWORKS.co.uk> uttered
summat worrerz funny about:
> Evening
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> on...
> Well thats the plan.. Can you weld exhaust pipe? I assume so...

Yup... though I'd look at it as an opportunity to eliminate something else
from your restricted power list of things it could be.

From what I recall of my Diesel how did you actually know ;-)

Lee D
Tom Woods - 28 Sep 2006 21:34 GMT
>Mark Solesbury <mark_solesbury@tiscaliIWONDERIFTHISWORKS.co.uk> uttered
>summat worrerz funny about:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>From what I recall of my Diesel how did you actually know ;-)

I could only tell with mine that it was broken when i drove past
somewhere with walls on either side and you notice that you sound
(more) like a tractor.
When it snapped a couple of foot from the manifold I could tell
because everybody was staring at me!

With marks being a turbo the exhaust should be quieter than an N/A
anyhow.
Lee_D - 28 Sep 2006 21:44 GMT
Tom Woods <news@NOPSAMtomwoods.co.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:

> I could only tell with mine that it was broken when i drove past
> somewhere with walls on either side and you notice that you sound
> (more) like a tractor.
> When it snapped a couple of foot from the manifold I could tell
> because everybody was staring at me!

No.... you just noticed they were staring ;-)

> With marks being a turbo the exhaust should be quieter than an N/A
> anyhow.

Indeed........ enough of this exhaust malarky wheres the piccys of the 101
they call <INSERT NAME HERE>

:-D

Lee D

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Tom Woods - 28 Sep 2006 21:50 GMT
>Indeed........ enough of this exhaust malarky wheres the piccys of the 101
>they call <INSERT NAME HERE>

as soon as i get this ****** series 2 movable again i shall refit the
few bits still missing from the silver machine and take some pictures!

a seemingly simple brake fix has now taken around 2 weeks, far too
much money, and 3 trips to see richard! :(
Mark Solesbury - 28 Sep 2006 21:46 GMT
>> Mark Solesbury <mark_solesbury@tiscaliIWONDERIFTHISWORKS.co.uk> uttered
>> summat worrerz funny about:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> With marks being a turbo the exhaust should be quieter than an N/A
> anyhow.

It does not sound bad at all - defo drivable. The only way i knew it had
come off as it was vibrating against the chassis making a racket!

Ill get the tail pipe, (which is in the back now) to someone at the
weekend for some welding - Let the bodging begin.

Lee - Do you think that cause its not got a back box that could be
causing the lack of power?

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Lee_D - 28 Sep 2006 21:49 GMT
Mark Solesbury <mark_solesbury@tiscaliIWONDERIFTHISWORKS.co.uk> uttered
summat worrerz funny about:
> It does not sound bad at all - defo drivable. The only way i knew it
> had come off as it was vibrating against the chassis making a racket!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Lee - Do you think that cause its not got a back box that could be
> causing the lack of power?

Someone qualified will be along shortly ----->

But basically anything you do to an Exhaust will either improve it or make
it worse.... LOL!

I should get in to politics ;-)

Lee D
Tom Woods - 28 Sep 2006 21:57 GMT
>Mark Solesbury <mark_solesbury@tiscaliIWONDERIFTHISWORKS.co.uk> uttered
>summat worrerz funny about:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>I should get in to politics ;-)

Assuming my petrol turbo engine knowledge can be transferred to diesel
turbos too..

with a turbo engine generally the quicker you can shift the air out
the better it works and the quicker/easier the turbo will spool up -
so a straight through exhaust on a turbo is good stuff :)

So you only having one silencer box should improve your engine.
removing one from my turbo car made it a lot better - so much so that
im considering loosing the remaining silencer next and going straight
through...

A lack of power on your landy would be more likely due to the existing
backbox being blocked.
Mark Solesbury - 28 Sep 2006 22:03 GMT
>> Mark Solesbury <mark_solesbury@tiscaliIWONDERIFTHISWORKS.co.uk> uttered
>> summat worrerz funny about:
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> A lack of power on your landy would be more likely due to the existing
> backbox being blocked.

Thanks Tom ;)

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Tom Woods - 28 Sep 2006 22:05 GMT
>Thanks Tom ;)

btw, did you notice that i linked some pics of your doors in their new
home in that other thread?
Mark Solesbury - 28 Sep 2006 22:06 GMT
>> Thanks Tom ;)
>
> btw, did you notice that i linked some pics of your doors in their new
> home in that other thread?

Yeah, i did see that the other day whilst on site down south.

They look well good. Hope your pleased with em!

Do you still need a pic of the stricker? TBH, your MDF one looks almost
as good as the real thing!

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Tom Woods - 28 Sep 2006 22:10 GMT
>>> Thanks Tom ;)
>>
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>Do you still need a pic of the stricker? TBH, your MDF one looks almost
>as good as the real thing!

Found a picture in a magazine and noticed that mine didnt look too
different to the proper one! :)
Austin Shackles - 29 Sep 2006 12:41 GMT
>with a turbo engine generally the quicker you can shift the air out
>the better it works and the quicker/easier the turbo will spool up -
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>A lack of power on your landy would be more likely due to the existing
>backbox being blocked.

I trust it's not got a cat?  removing the cat front pipe and substituting a
standard one made a big difference on our TDi disco.
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Mark Solesbury - 28 Sep 2006 22:22 GMT
> But basically anything you do to an Exhaust will either improve it or make
> it worse.... LOL!

Its been done to improve off road ability i'd imagine, but i dont ever
seem to have seen an exhaust get caught off road as it is hidden in the
departure angle recess between the wheels and the cross member?

This is where is is now -
http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/my_land_rovers/90_post_rebuild/dscf1775.html

although, id like to know of a cunning way to make the hole a tad
bigger. Cant use a normal hole cutter as there is no middle bit to start
the drill in........

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Lee_D - 28 Sep 2006 22:25 GMT
Mark Solesbury <mark_solesbury@tiscaliIWONDERIFTHISWORKS.co.uk> uttered
summat worrerz funny about:

> although, id like to know of a cunning way to make the hole a tad
> bigger. Cant use a normal hole cutter as there is no middle bit to
> start the drill in........

Thick card template and a Plasma cutter... template slightly oversize and
used as a guide for the plasmas nozzel.
EMB - 28 Sep 2006 22:52 GMT
>> But basically anything you do to an Exhaust will either improve it or
>> make it worse.... LOL!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> bigger. Cant use a normal hole cutter as there is no middle bit to start
> the drill in........

A hand nibbler should do the job and not break the bank.

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William Tasso - 29 Sep 2006 08:13 GMT
>> But basically anything you do to an Exhaust will either improve it or  
>> make it worse.... LOL!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> This is where is is now -  
> http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/my_land_rovers/90_post_rebuild/dscf1775.html

like the single glass in the rear flanks - is that a kit I can buy-n-fit  
or did you have to fabricate it?

> although, id like to know of a cunning way to make the hole a tad  
> bigger. Cant use a normal hole cutter as there is no middle bit to start  
> the drill in........

can you brace a thin piece of ply to one side?

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Mark Solesbury - 29 Sep 2006 09:15 GMT
> like the single glass in the rear flanks - is that a kit I can buy-n-fit
> or did you have to fabricate it?

After the 'ditch' incident, i found them like it already - But they are
loads better than the sliding ones. No rattles and a lot more secure!

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William Tasso - 29 Sep 2006 09:43 GMT
>> like the single glass in the rear flanks - is that a kit I can  
>> buy-n-fit or did you have to fabricate it?
>
> After the 'ditch' incident, i found them like it already - But they are  
> loads better than the sliding ones. No rattles and a lot more secure!

yes - no rattles, that's the ticket :)

Unfortunately (or maybe not), the spare sides I have are without windows.  
Have to think on that.

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Tom Woods - 29 Sep 2006 10:29 GMT
>>> But basically anything you do to an Exhaust will either improve it or  
>>> make it worse.... LOL!
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>like the single glass in the rear flanks - is that a kit I can buy-n-fit  
>or did you have to fabricate it?

You mean non-sliding rear windows?

If its anything like a series, get some glass, nibble a hole to fit it
and then use some of the standard glass rubber (the stuff with an
insert) to fit it with.

>> although, id like to know of a cunning way to make the hole a tad  
>> bigger. Cant use a normal hole cutter as there is no middle bit to start  
>> the drill in........

Colour in the new hole with a marker pen first and then use a file if
you only want it a little bit larger
William Tasso - 30 Sep 2006 00:14 GMT
>>> ...
>>> This is where is is now -
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> You mean non-sliding rear windows?

yes

> If its anything like a series,

no idea - seems the side panels are the same - this 110 already has the  
sliding windows

> get some glass, nibble a hole to fit it
> and then use some of the standard glass rubber (the stuff with an
> insert) to fit it with.

no 'frame' works required?

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Tom Woods - 30 Sep 2006 11:24 GMT
>> You mean non-sliding rear windows?
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>no 'frame' works required?

my series hardtop doesnt have anything more complicated than just
windows stuck into cut holes using the rubber window seal. The 101
side windows are the same too.
They were even done as a DIY job by a previous owner on the 2A cos
they arnt quite straight..
Austin Shackles - 01 Oct 2006 08:34 GMT
>>> You mean non-sliding rear windows?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>They were even done as a DIY job by a previous owner on the 2A cos
>they arnt quite straight..

Did I mention that I fitted a window in the near side of Edward II?  Came
from the partition of a defunct sherpa van, and it's flat, roughly 12"x10"
or maybe a bit more, and with rounded corners.  Looks like it was made for
it, and improves the safety by an amazing amount when pulling out of
junctions.
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Tom Woods - 29 Sep 2006 10:31 GMT
>> But basically anything you do to an Exhaust will either improve it or make
>> it worse.... LOL!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>This is where is is now -
>http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/my_land_rovers/90_post_rebuild/dscf1775.html

Have you not re-fitted your door trims yet?

When you do, you may find that you dont have the plastic surrounds for
the pull handles (since you gave me 4), and you have an extra lock
pluger surround since i only have one!. If you need them then let me
know!
GbH - 29 Sep 2006 11:35 GMT
>> But basically anything you do to an Exhaust will either improve it
>> or make it worse.... LOL!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> bigger. Cant use a normal hole cutter as there is no middle bit to
> start the drill in........

pop rivet something with a little drill size hole in over it, sorted!!

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Mark Solesbury - 29 Sep 2006 13:33 GMT
Does anyone know of any exhaust 'part' suppliers?

I need to get hold of a bit of pipe, about 6 inch long, with a flange
that will take an olive on one end, and straight on the other.....

Unless someone has one on their lounge floor?

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Tom Woods - 29 Sep 2006 14:16 GMT
>Does anyone know of any exhaust 'part' suppliers?
>
>I need to get hold of a bit of pipe, about 6 inch long, with a flange
>that will take an olive on one end, and straight on the other.....

jetex - http://www.jetex.co.uk/website/custom_parts.php

you may have to get a longer section and cut it down.

>Unless someone has one on their lounge floor?
Mark Solesbury - 29 Sep 2006 14:53 GMT
>> Does anyone know of any exhaust 'part' suppliers?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>> Unless someone has one on their lounge floor?

Will have a butchers later.

Tom - I actually fitted the door cards last weekend and searched
everywhere for the door handle inner bits!

Did i give you the 2 screws aswell?

What are the chances of poping them in the post to me?

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Tom Woods - 29 Sep 2006 15:37 GMT
>Will have a butchers later.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>What are the chances of poping them in the post to me?

you have mail at that email addres. I dont think i got the screws off
you but can find you some that will do the job.
 
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