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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / October 2006Side Steps
Hi My TD5 Defender is persuading me to swap out my basic fold up side steps to a pair of Tombraider style steps (no real reason - just vanity I suspect). I've been trawling the web for a few weeks - loads of plastic coated and chequer plate varieties out there but who does the most robust set? I've not been too impressed with plastic coating in the past. In my experience it always lifts some where after a couple of years. Anyone got any recommendations? Thanks Dennis > Hi > My TD5 Defender is persuading me to swap out my basic fold up side steps to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks > Dennis Don't bother. Save your money for something genuinely useful. I'm 5'4" - steps are a way of Life!!! On 11/10/06 20:52, in article a6udnVon4uTp1rDYnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk, "Dougal" >> Hi >> My TD5 Defender is persuading me to swap out my basic fold up side steps to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don't bother. Save your money for something genuinely useful. DB4 <kubaton@tiscali.co.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > I'm 5'4" - steps are a way of Life!!! Forget the steps... you need airbag suspension ;-) Pimp my ride stylie Lee D <cough> It doesn't *have* to be a pimp mobile to have air ;-)  SignatureNeil ><cough> > >It doesn't *have* to be a pimp mobile to have air ;-) now, air sus which can be lowered would be dead cool on the LR minibus hybrid project. Spoke to the insurers - the gist is that I won't *really* know 'til I apply, but provided it passes an engineer's inspection and has and MOT and stuff, it should be OK. whether I can get it covered as a Land Rover Station Wagon, I don't know :-) They may want to class it as a 4x4 transit. The 110 is still around, not in use, and I should be able to buy it back cheap. This is starting to sound more likely to happen. Only real bummer is that I can't (easily) build it on a 101 chassis, 'cos that would be the ultimate device for winding up the "original is best" brigade in the 101 club :-) SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Where they make a desert they call it peace" Tacitus (c.55 - c.117) Agricola, 30 >><cough> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >whether I can get it covered as a Land Rover Station Wagon, I don't know :-) >They may want to class it as a 4x4 transit. if you dont mess with the wheelbase/chassis i thought you could change the LR body to whatever you liked and it was still a LR by name? (like the guy on mud club who has the sierra body on a RR chassis which is still legally a range rover! :) ) >This is starting to sound more likely to happen. Only real bummer is that I >can't (easily) build it on a 101 chassis, 'cos that would be the ultimate >device for winding up the "original is best" brigade in the 101 club :-) :) >if you dont mess with the wheelbase/chassis i thought you could change >the LR body to whatever you liked and it was still a LR by name? (like >the guy on mud club who has the sierra body on a RR chassis which is >still legally a range rover! :) ) Legally, yes. I'm talking about the insurance company, who, as we know, are a law unto themselves. I'm fairly sure it comes under the "radcially altered vehicle" rules. ------------- "The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used, an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated." The following values will be allocated to the major components used: * chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit – monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points * suspension = 2 points * axles = 2 points * transmission = 2 points * steering assembly = 2 points * engine = 1 point Where there is evidence that two vehicles have been welded together to form one (ie 'cut and shut') a 'Q' mark will be allocated. ESVA, SVA or MSVA will be required. ------------ and since it'll retain ALL of those bits from the LR, there's no problem about identity. It might of course count as a "rebuilt or kit car", in which case the same applies, chassis and all major components are still from the LR. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic face by frightening people in the street. from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton. "Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message > The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. ... > * chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie > direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points > * suspension = 2 points > * axles = 2 points > * transmission = 2 points > * steering assembly = 2 points > * engine = 1 point An interesting point about their system is that you can make 8 points with the suspension, axles, transmission and steering yet none of these have identification numbers recorded on the V5. So you can retain an identity without any numbered parts, at least that's how I read it. So it would appear that you can buy a nice new galvanised chassis and bolt on a set of these parts that have come off several donor vehicles of any age, so long as they appear to be pre-1973, and thus 'retain' a tax exempt plate that you bought attached to a pile of rust, or am I missing something?. Greg >"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >they appear to be pre-1973, and thus 'retain' a tax exempt plate that you >bought attached to a pile of rust, or am I missing something?. I suspect this happens. You need proof that you had a chassis to start with, I think, there's a bit about that in the regs. The chassis has to be either original or a replacement: "If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used, an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated." note the all-important "or" in there. I was thinking much what you thought... I guess you can - they may want to see evidence that you actually had the vehicle which you're "rebuilding"... The rebuilt-or-kit-car bit says: "In order to retain the original registration mark: * cars and car-derived vans must use: The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt). And two other major components from the original vehicle – ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or engine. If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval (SVA) test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated." Both the case of "rebuilding" a tax-exempt motor and my proposed project I think come into this category. What isn't clear is whether the project will have to be re-registered. Since it started off as a 12-seat station wagon, it's description isn't going to change. Except that the seating capacity will be 9. The implication in either case is that it won't need SVA. I really need to find the appropriate bit of DVLA and ask... SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself. If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself. from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton. "Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message > I suspect this happens. You need proof that you had a chassis to start > with, I think, there's a bit about that in the regs. The chassis has to be > either original or a replacement: Thinking about it a bit further, if you do buy a pile of rust with a V5, build up an identical vehicle on a new chassis from assorted parts, and stamp the chassis number on yourself, what's to stop you just getting it MOT'd and then taxed?. Is the MOT tester going to complain because as far as he can see it's just had a replacement chassis? Greg || "Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message || [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] || chassis? || Greg AIUI, as long as the chassis is to the original spec, there is no problem. As long as you swap like-for-like, it doesn't get counted in the points system. (A coil-sprung chassis would not be considered a genuine replacement for a Series chassis, for example.) If you then added reconditioned parts from other vehicles, that might cause a problem, but as long as they were identical spec, who would ever know? After all, you haven't gained anything except got a nice roadworthy vehicle instead of a shed, and what's wrong with that? If you were deliberately altering a later vehicle to get tax-exempt status, that would be different. That's with an aftermarket chassis. ISTR that if you wanted a genuine one from Land Rover, they would need to see the old one in pieces before they would issue a new one. SignatureRich ============================== Take out the obvious to email me. |
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