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Tim Hobbs - 23 Nov 2006 14:00 GMT
A remanufactured 2.25 3mb engine with gasflowed heads is now on order
from the ever-helpful Frida.  So, having spent a small fortune on the
main bit it seems a little silly to spoil it with worn out ancillaries.

So what should I keep and what should I replace?

Starter is buggered anyway, so that will be replaced.

I have 2 Zenith carbs, one known crap and the other just plain unknown.
 Is it worth Warren's time pissing about with them or do I go straight
to a new Weber?

Spark plugs and leads are already quite new I think.

Water pump, distributor?

What else am I missing?

Thanks for any advice

Tim

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Austin Shackles - 23 Nov 2006 18:39 GMT
>Water pump, distributor?

If you hunt about a bit you can get a lucas 45D4 electronic distributor from
a leyland O-series.  a bit of light modification to the drive will give you
an electronic distributor (the kind that has an amp on the side like some of
the V8 ones do, so get the plug to connect that too) that fits the 4-cyinder
land rover engines.

'course, it's open to question whether it's worth it.

I did this mod on my 110 when it had a 2.5 petrol engine in it.  At least
you don't have points to arse around with.  It seemed to go OK, as well.  I
did have some running problems with that engine but eventually traced these
to an iffy gas mixer.

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Richard Brookman - 23 Nov 2006 19:23 GMT
|| I have 2 Zenith carbs, one known crap and the other just plain
||  unknown. Is it worth Warren's time pissing about with them or do I
|| go straight to a new Weber?

Webers have a habit of icing up, even in warmish weather.  Rumour has it
they also don't work well at extreme angles as they were never designed for
it.  Shame to spoil a ship and all that - why not go the extra mile
http://www.burlen.co.uk/historyZenith.aspx.  I did, and it's bloody
marvellous.

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Tim Hobbs - 23 Nov 2006 22:28 GMT
> || I have 2 Zenith carbs, one known crap and the other just plain
> ||  unknown. Is it worth Warren's time pissing about with them or do I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> http://www.burlen.co.uk/historyZenith.aspx.  I did, and it's bloody
> marvellous.

As my mother says every year...

"It's going to be a lean Christmas this year..."

Thanks Richard

Tim
LR90 - 24 Nov 2006 20:04 GMT
Hear hear, dont do it! stick with the Zenith. putting a Weber on was the
worst thing I un-necessarilly did to my 2.25. Steep climbs were a nightmare!

Regards, Roy.

> || I have 2 Zenith carbs, one known crap and the other just plain
> ||  unknown. Is it worth Warren's time pissing about with them or do I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> http://www.burlen.co.uk/historyZenith.aspx.  I did, and it's bloody
> marvellous.
Oily - 23 Nov 2006 19:43 GMT
> A remanufactured 2.25 3mb engine with gasflowed heads is now on order
> from the ever-helpful Frida.  So, having spent a small fortune on the
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> What else am I missing?

Twin S.U.s on a fabricated manifold, waste of time running a small choke
size Weber with the gas flowed head, and a 4 into 2 into 1 exhaust manifold,
then you only need the cam to go with them.

Martin
Austin Shackles - 24 Nov 2006 10:25 GMT
> Twin S.U.s on a fabricated manifold, waste of time running a small choke
>size Weber with the gas flowed head, and a 4 into 2 into 1 exhaust manifold,
>then you only need the cam to go with them.

The 2.5 4-cylinder runs a bigger, twin-choke weber... wonder if the manifold
fits  2¼?

justa fort.
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Oily - 24 Nov 2006 22:49 GMT
> > Twin S.U.s on a fabricated manifold, waste of time running a small choke
> >size Weber with the gas flowed head, and a 4 into 2 into 1 exhaust manifold,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> justa fort.

i fink it do.  Got one of those if he wants it, also full donkey to go
wivit.

Martin
Simon Isaacs - 26 Nov 2006 17:39 GMT
>> > Twin S.U.s on a fabricated manifold, waste of time running a small choke
>> >size Weber with the gas flowed head, and a 4 into 2 into 1 exhaust
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Martin

Logic would indicate that it does, becasue I had to fit the 2.25
manifold to my 2.5 when I swapped engines in my S3 for a while until I
hunted the 90/110 pedal to use the correct manifold and carb.  The
difference with the 2.5 manifold on was amazing though when I did fit
it.
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Austin Shackles - 27 Nov 2006 10:20 GMT
>> > Twin S.U.s on a fabricated manifold, waste of time running a small choke
>> >size Weber with the gas flowed head, and a 4 into 2 into 1 exhaust
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>i fink it do.  Got one of those if he wants it, also full donkey to go
>wivit.

If he's not, I might be - if it'll fit along of a standard SIII exhaust
manifold.  would be interesting to try it on Edward II, which is standard
zenith at the moment.

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Tim Hobbs - 27 Nov 2006 22:01 GMT
>>> The 2.5 4-cylinder runs a bigger, twin-choke weber... wonder if the
>> manifold
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> manifold.  would be interesting to try it on Edward II, which is standard
> zenith at the moment.

I've followed Rich Brookman's suggestion and bought a new Zenith from
Burlen.  Crap website by the way - credit card bit fails in Firefox, and
even when it does work there is no confirmation email.

Burlen do list a big Weber for the 2.25 - at over £400 I'd want it to
come with a full fuel tank attached.

I'll report back when (if) it arrives.
Richard Brookman - 28 Nov 2006 19:56 GMT
|| I've followed Rich Brookman's suggestion and bought a new Zenith from
|| Burlen.  Crap website by the way - credit card bit fails in Firefox,
|| and even when it does work there is no confirmation email.

I did mine over the phone, so no probs with the website, though I thought it
looked a bit clunky.  I fitted the Weber and it ran perfectly from the first
turn of the key - I didn't even need to adjust the idle and mixture (though
I had a fiddle, obviously).  Expensive, but well worth it.  I think it's
doing about 4-5 mpg better, too.

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Tim Hobbs - 29 Nov 2006 17:35 GMT
> || I've followed Rich Brookman's suggestion and bought a new Zenith from
> || Burlen.  Crap website by the way - credit card bit fails in Firefox,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I had a fiddle, obviously).  Expensive, but well worth it.  I think it's
> doing about 4-5 mpg better, too.

Which one did you get Richard - is it this one?

http://www.burlen.co.uk/partDetail.aspx?partID=52403

Burlen have managed to work out that they haven't got any stock of the
Zenith (only taken them 4 days to realise) so I'm now running short of
options apart from putting the worn one back on to my spanking new
Turner engine :(
Richard Brookman - 29 Nov 2006 19:52 GMT
|| Richard Brookman wrote:
||| Tim Hobbs wrote:
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||
|| http://www.burlen.co.uk/partDetail.aspx?partID=52403

That would seem to be a Weber conversion kit.  I got the vanilla Zenith
36IV.

|| Burlen have managed to work out that they haven't got any stock of
|| the Zenith (only taken them 4 days to realise) so I'm now running
|| short of options apart from putting the worn one back on to my
|| spanking new Turner engine :(

Put it back and wait for a nice one from Burlen.

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Tim Hobbs - 29 Nov 2006 20:03 GMT
> || Richard Brookman wrote:
> ||| Tim Hobbs wrote:
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>
> Put it back and wait for a nice one from Burlen.

Thanks Rich - you confused me by saying you fitted the Weber.... :)
Richard Brookman - 29 Nov 2006 20:55 GMT
|| Thanks Rich - you confused me by saying you fitted the Weber.... :)

Bloody hell, so I did.  But I did say I got the Zenith in my earlier post,
and you did reply "I've followed Rich Brookman's suggestion and bought a new
Zenith from Burlen,"  so you understood really.  :-)

I blame the Theakston's.

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EMB - 30 Nov 2006 10:43 GMT
> I blame the Theakston's.

God I miss that stuff.  ;-)
Richard Brookman - 01 Dec 2006 18:11 GMT
|| Richard Brookman wrote:
||| I blame the Theakston's.
||
|| God I miss that stuff.  ;-)

When Ah were a lad and all that, Theakston's was a pretty unknown brew
unless you were in Yorkshire.  When I left God's Retirement Plot for the
wider world, I didn't see it anywhere.  Recently, it seems to have spread
all over.  Even my local Morrison's stocks it now.  They must have got
somebody in marketing who's a bit more switched on.  I wonder how far it
will take to become a worldwide phenomenon like Coke?

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EMB - 01 Dec 2006 20:25 GMT
> When Ah were a lad and all that, Theakston's was a pretty unknown brew
> unless you were in Yorkshire.  When I left God's Retirement Plot for the
> wider world, I didn't see it anywhere.  Recently, it seems to have spread
> all over.  Even my local Morrison's stocks it now.  They must have got
> somebody in marketing who's a bit more switched on.  I wonder how far it
> will take to become a worldwide phenomenon like Coke?

Yorkshire was where I first had it far too many years ago.  But I've
seen it for sale in bottles here (and it's just not the same) so it's
slowly becoming a worldwide phenomenon.
Richard Brookman - 01 Dec 2006 21:41 GMT
|| Richard Brookman wrote:
||
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
|| seen it for sale in bottles here (and it's just not the same) so it's
|| slowly becoming a worldwide phenomenon.

The stuff I get tastes the same, but I can drink several without falling
over, so they've either diluted it, or the practice I have put in since age
18 has paid off.

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William Tasso - 02 Dec 2006 03:57 GMT
> ...
> The stuff I get tastes the same, but I can drink several without
> falling over, so they've either diluted it, or the practice I have
> put in since age 18 has paid off.

or you're already on the floor :)

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Richard Brookman - 02 Dec 2006 11:26 GMT
|| Richard Brookman wrote:
||
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|| --
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Richard Brookman - 29 Nov 2006 20:51 GMT
|| I did mine over the phone, so no probs with the website, though I
|| thought it looked a bit clunky.  I fitted the Weber and it ran
|| perfectly from the first turn of the key

coughZENITHcough

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Oily - 28 Nov 2006 20:14 GMT
> >> > Twin S.U.s on a fabricated manifold, waste of time running a small choke
> >> >size Weber with the gas flowed head, and a 4 into 2 into 1 exhaust
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> manifold.  would be interesting to try it on Edward II, which is standard
> zenith at the moment.

Could always put both manifolds on, I've got the short front pipe, and as I
said, I've got the full engine.

Martin
Austin Shackles - 29 Nov 2006 07:42 GMT
>Could always put both manifolds on, I've got the short front pipe, and as I
>said, I've got the full engine.

I've an idea I had a 2.5 petrol front pipe floating around.  however, it'd
only work if you changed the whole exhaust or made an adapter of some kind,
the whole exhaust is bigger bore on the 110.

email me a price for the inlet manifold and carb, anyway... remove the
NOSPAM bit from the address for preference.

I'm not sure I've not got a 2.5 carb sitting in the shed somewhere,
actually, but it might have gone somewhere.
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Oily - 29 Nov 2006 20:53 GMT
> >Could always put both manifolds on, I've got the short front pipe, and as I
> >said, I've got the full engine.
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> email me a price for the inlet manifold and carb, anyway... remove the
> NOSPAM bit from the address for preference.

YHM.   Martin

> I'm not sure I've not got a 2.5 carb sitting in the shed somewhere,
> actually, but it might have gone somewhere.
Austin Shackles - 29 Nov 2006 21:21 GMT
>YHM.   Martin

yep, seen it ta.
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Tim Hobbs - 04 Dec 2006 22:18 GMT
> A remanufactured 2.25 3mb engine with gasflowed heads is now on order
> from the ever-helpful Frida.  

It's arrived today, and it looks like a work of art.  As the exchange
engine is ex-military the new one has been painted Duck Egg Blue, it's
superbly presented on a metal stillage and even comes with 2 gallons of
running-in oil.

So far I'm well impressed.  Can't wait to hear it running....
Ian Rawlings - 04 Dec 2006 22:28 GMT
> It's arrived today, and it looks like a work of art.  As the
> exchange engine is ex-military the new one has been painted Duck Egg
> Blue, it's superbly presented on a metal stillage and even comes
> with 2 gallons of running-in oil.

Stick it in the lounge as an ornament and order another one ;-)

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Tim Hobbs - 04 Dec 2006 22:37 GMT
>> It's arrived today, and it looks like a work of art.  As the
>> exchange engine is ex-military the new one has been painted Duck Egg
>> Blue, it's superbly presented on a metal stillage and even comes
>> with 2 gallons of running-in oil.
>
> Stick it in the lounge as an ornament and order another one ;-)

Funny you should say that - I've been thinking about a V8 coffee table
for my study....  Shouldn't be hard to find a scrap 4.6 block!
Ian Rawlings - 05 Dec 2006 06:40 GMT
> Funny you should say that - I've been thinking about a V8 coffee table
> for my study....  Shouldn't be hard to find a scrap 4.6 block!

Something similar has been on the cards for me for a while, mounting
some comfy car seats on a frame too.  One day I'll drive my house
through town ;-)

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Austin Shackles - 05 Dec 2006 07:36 GMT
>> Funny you should say that - I've been thinking about a V8 coffee table
>> for my study....  Shouldn't be hard to find a scrap 4.6 block!
>
>Something similar has been on the cards for me for a while, mounting
>some comfy car seats on a frame too.  One day I'll drive my house
>through town ;-)

I liked the seats they have for the Top Gear set.
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Ian Rawlings - 05 Dec 2006 07:51 GMT
> I liked the seats they have for the Top Gear set.

Some fully electrically adjustable seats would be nice, with some
batteries in the base for power obviously, I might have to knock
something up sometime.  Mind you I've still not finished redecorating
the lounge, which has been going on for 3 years so I won't report back
straight away ;-)

Anyone know of a good candidate for a luxury adjustable car seat with
arms that's quite cheap to buy and not too complicated electrically?
I don't know much about the comfy end of the market so some
recommendations would be appreciated.

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EMB - 05 Dec 2006 12:56 GMT
>> Funny you should say that - I've been thinking about a V8 coffee table
>> for my study....  Shouldn't be hard to find a scrap 4.6 block!
>
> Something similar has been on the cards for me for a while,

I made one a while ago out of a Rodek sprintcar engine - it now graces a
friend's house as SWMBO refuses to allow it anywhere except my workshop
(notwithstanding the component parts of my racecar engine sitting beside
the sofa awaiting the tuits to assemble them).
Austin Shackles - 05 Dec 2006 07:36 GMT
>> It's arrived today, and it looks like a work of art.  As the
>> exchange engine is ex-military the new one has been painted Duck Egg
>> Blue, it's superbly presented on a metal stillage and even comes
>> with 2 gallons of running-in oil.
>
>Stick it in the lounge as an ornament and order another one ;-)

out of interest, I see Witham are selling 2¼ petrol engines ex-military.
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