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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / December 2006Demisting in old vehicles!
If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) What's the best way to demist in an older vehicle? If heat's not readily available, opening all the windows and blasting cold air at the screen seems to help, as the mist appears to be moist air cooling so that the water condenses, so keeping it moving is an idea. Is there a better way, or has technology come up with a mist-begone spray or similar, or did they all just get new cars ;-)  SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is there a better way, or has technology come up with a mist-begone > spray or similar, or did they all just get new cars ;-) There are magic sprays & coatings, but IME they're nought better than snake oil. Keeping the screen clean appears to help - smokers have an ongoing task here. FWIW: we used a hairdryer plugged into an inverter for a brief while till we got round to fixing the prob - directable heat not dependent on engine temp is a boon on icy mornings :) SignatureWilliam Tasso Land Rover - 110 V8 Discovery - V8 > > If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > we got round to fixing the prob - directable heat not dependent on engine > temp is a boon on icy mornings :) Well there is that stuff motorcyclists spray inside their goggle to stop them misting, and it does actually work. Mind 'when I were a lad' it was a spot of spittle in the goggles and rub it round and that also (oddly) seems to work) AWEM > Well there is that stuff motorcyclists spray inside their goggle to > stop them misting, and it does actually work. Mind 'when I were a lad' > it was a spot of spittle in the goggles and rub it round and that also > (oddly) seems to work) The spray sounds interesting, I'm not sure if I have enough spittle to do an entire car windscreen, perhaps I should find some ramblers and ask them to help.. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> Well there is that stuff motorcyclists spray inside their goggle to >> stop them misting, and it does actually work. Mind 'when I were a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > do an entire car windscreen, perhaps I should find some ramblers and > ask them to help.. I come across this often , during public order training one of the first things that happens is our visors steam up. This is prevented by regular application of fairy liquid to the inside. One application will do a three day trainning session and the Visor will remain clear. On my IIa I used Mer polish on the inside of the window to similar effect. Neither cost and Arm and a leg and both are usually readilly available on the Garage shelf. Lee D > I come across this often , during public order training one of the first > things that happens is our visors steam up. This is prevented by regular > application of fairy liquid to the inside. One application will do a three > day trainning session and the Visor will remain clear. I've got some neat washing-up sponges that you fill with washing up liquid, which soaks into the sponge from a reservoir in the handle, I'll fill one up and put it in the truck and see if it helps. They've got a scouring surface on top of softer sponge, I'll cut that off first. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> I come across this often , during public order training one of the >> first things that happens is our visors steam up. This is prevented [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > got a scouring surface on top of softer sponge, I'll cut that off > first. Cheaper soaps tend to be less effective in my experience, bit of trial and error can be afforded though. Lee_D <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > Cheaper soaps tend to be less effective in my experience, bit of > trial and error can be afforded though. Guess you've probably looked at these... <http://www.gbdriver.co.uk/acatalog/12v-car-heater-windscreen-demister.html> I know it's not 24 volt but figure you'll soon be fitting a 12v circuit too. Lee > Guess you've probably looked at these... ><http://www.gbdriver.co.uk/acatalog/12v-car-heater-windscreen-demister.html> Cheers, I'll have a peek, no 12 volts yet but I've got a converter in a box somewhere, not fitted it yet as replacing the diff took priority! I only really need it for the laptop, most of my other in-car toys are dual voltage. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! The other thing to try is mix up a solution of Johnsons No More Tears baby shampoo and wash the inside of screen and windows with it occasionally, it helps avoid misting up. Works on crash helmet visors..... > The other thing to try is mix up a solution of Johnsons No More Tears > baby shampoo and wash the inside of screen and windows with it > occasionally, it helps avoid misting up. Cheers, probably similar to the washing up liquid idea which I'm in the process of trying out. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> The other thing to try is mix up a solution of Johnsons No More Tears >> baby shampoo and wash the inside of screen and windows with it >> occasionally, it helps avoid misting up. > > Cheers, probably similar to the washing up liquid idea which I'm in > the process of trying out. Hmmmmmmmmm, that's got me thinking. I wonder if you have just cracked the secret of the 'no more tears' recipe. Maybe its just washing up liquid in disguise? This calls for some experimentation, I shall be back soon and let you know the results, I am just off to squirt some fairy liquid into the eyes of a small child. >> Guess you've probably looked at these... >><http://www.gbdriver.co.uk/acatalog/12v-car-heater-windscreen-demister.html> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >priority! I only really need it for the laptop, most of my other >in-car toys are dual voltage. coo, there's a handy-looking addition to a series LR. I might get one. Wonder what duty cycle they're rated for? SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945) from Mein Kampf, Ch 10 >Lee_D <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> uttered summat worrerz >funny about: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I know it's not 24 volt but figure you'll soon be fitting a 12v circuit too. arse. ordered one; out of stock 'til January. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination - we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994) > > Well there is that stuff motorcyclists spray inside their goggle to > > stop them misting, and it does actually work. Mind 'when I were a lad' [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > do an entire car windscreen, perhaps I should find some ramblers and > ask them to help.. I bought a can of this stuff: <http://www.4wheelplay.co.uk/antifog-spray-300ml-p-25000170.html> ...on Tuesday, arrived this morning. ?1.50 including postage. Just applied it to my Landy (inside and out - you know it's cold in the car when the condensation's on the *outside*) this morning, and haven't seen any fogging since. The real test will be when I get in tomorrow, so we'll see. I'll keep you posted. Anyway, it comes out as a sort of foam, and a little goes a *very* long way - I stood there for ages trying to work it all in, so don't squidge on too much. Andrew I wrote: > > > Well there is that stuff motorcyclists spray inside their goggle to > > > stop them misting, and it does actually work. Mind 'when I were a lad' [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > way - I stood there for ages trying to work it all in, so don't squidge > on too much. Well, it's been on for a week or so now, and I'm very impressed. It does the job, although I think a second coat might be in order. > Well, it's been on for a week or so now, and I'm very impressed. It > does the job, although I think a second coat might be in order. I wonder if a coat of rain-ex might do as well? It's supposed to stop the water from spreading out over the glass, I might have to try a small spot on the window somewhere. Mind you since emptying out the water from the heat exchanger output pipes (flooded passenger-side footwell) my old beast has demisted like a champ, more so than my Defender in fact. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> Well, it's been on for a week or so now, and I'm very impressed. It >> does the job, although I think a second coat might be in order. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > footwell) my old beast has demisted like a champ, more so than my > Defender in fact. Rain-X do a bloody good anti-fog product for the inside of windows. SignatureEMB >> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:12:39 -0000, Ian Rawlings > <news06@tarcus.org.uk> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Well there is that stuff motorcyclists spray inside their goggle to > stop them misting, and it does actually work. Yes - it does, but needs reapplying often - too often to be a better solution than cleaning the thing every day, or so it seems to me. > Mind 'when I were a lad' > it was a spot of spittle in the goggles and rub it round and that also > (oddly) seems to work) indeed :) SignatureWilliam Tasso Land Rover - 110 V8 Discovery - V8 > FWIW: we used a hairdryer plugged into an inverter for a brief while till > we got round to fixing the prob - directable heat not dependent on engine > temp is a boon on icy mornings :) Hmm, fixing the prob is the problem, my current choices appear to be; * moving to a hotter part of the world * waiting for summer Basically everything is working as it was designed to work, i.e. not that well. We are talking the military after all, being able to see where you are going is optional. Hopefully someone will be able to tell me about some kind of screen wipe made with a goat's liver soaked in washing up liquid and shampoo dried in the outlet of an aircon unit after being liberally salted and sprinkled with vinegar, or something like that. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> FWIW: we used a hairdryer plugged into an inverter for a brief while >> till [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that well. We are talking the military after all, being able to see > where you are going is optional. didn't like the hairdryer plan? > Hopefully someone will be able to tell me about some kind of screen > wipe made with a goat's liver soaked in washing up liquid and shampoo > dried in the outlet of an aircon unit after being liberally salted and > sprinkled with vinegar, or something like that. ahh yes - but you need the light of a full moon and access to a plentiful supply of sacrificial virgins - not sure about where you live, but round here I think I'd luck out on that :) SignatureWilliam Tasso Land Rover - 110 V8 Discovery - V8 > didn't like the hairdryer plan? I'd feel a bit of a gimp sitting in my rufty-tufty war wagon brandishing a hairdryer.. Naah, really it's more to do with the hassle of it, it's easier to just whack open the windows or squeegee off the moisture, even with the hairdryer method the mist will come back after a short while as I'm driving. The squeegee will get it clear quickly, and I think the open windows will stop the mist from reforming. I tend to assume I'm going to be sat around waiting for the breakdown services so I tend to dress appropriately ;-) I was hoping there was a better way than the above, trying to wave a hairdryer around while driving isn't too appealing ;-) > ahh yes - but you need the light of a full moon and access to a plentiful > supply of sacrificial virgins - not sure about where you live, but round > here I think I'd luck out on that :) Well, if I had a ready supply of virgins willing to be sacrificed, I wouldn't give a toss about my bloody windscreen!! I doubt very much that they would help prevent the truck misting up ;-) SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> FWIW: we used a hairdryer plugged into an inverter for a brief while till >> we got round to fixing the prob - directable heat not dependent on engine [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >dried in the outlet of an aircon unit after being liberally salted and >sprinkled with vinegar, or something like that. ain't the Pinzi air-cooled? just duct some air from around the engine somewhere... SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25 > ain't the Pinzi air-cooled? just duct some air from around the engine > somewhere... It's got a heat exchanger on the exhaust that heats fresh air coming in, the air ducted through the engine tends to stink a bit and can get a bit exhaust-gassy. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > > FWIW: we used a hairdryer plugged into an inverter for a brief while till > > we got round to fixing the prob - directable heat not dependent on engine [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > dried in the outlet of an aircon unit after being liberally salted and > sprinkled with vinegar, or something like that. That should work, providing the liver's still warm. I used to have a small Calor heater with a bottle in the back, lit before breakfast, windows clear and vehicle nice and warm when it's time to go. Martin > If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is there a better way, or has technology come up with a mist-begone > spray or similar, or did they all just get new cars ;-) A friend of mine years ago had same problem in an old landy, he solved it by fitting a heat exchanger in the exhaust system ( from a VW beetle I think) so within a min or so of engine starting up there was hot air from the blowers Not the easiest of jobs, but not the hardest I have ever undertaken on a landy > > If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) > > > > What's the best way to demist in an older vehicle? If heat's not > > readily available, opening all the windows and blasting cold air at > > the screen seems to help, as the mist appears to be moist air cooling > > so that the water condenses, so keeping it moving is an idea. What I found worked on my old series was..... And you were very close with the goat's kidney soaked in Washing up liquied, Just leave the goat's bits and pieces out of the equation. Put some neat washing up liquid onto a paper towel and rub over the inside of the glass. At first it will look a mess and will then clear. The effect will be to keep all that nasty condesation away for about a week, and then you'll have to do it again. As a bonus it will be clean as well.... Regards > And you were very close with the goat's kidney soaked in Washing up liquied, > Just leave the goat's bits and pieces out of the equation. OK, now I have to find something else to do with the goat's bits. > Put some neat washing up liquid onto a paper towel and rub over the inside > of the glass. At first it will look a mess and will then clear. I'll have a go at that, nothing to lose I suppose, and a nice cheap method ;-) Thanks for that. On a similar vein, I find that the best way to clean water off glass without smearing is to get crumpled up balls of newspaper and use them to buff the glass, turning the ball every now and again. First few rubs look bad but it soon sorts itself out. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > A friend of mine years ago had same problem in an old landy, he > solved it by fitting a heat exchanger in the exhaust system ( from a > VW beetle I think) so within a min or so of engine starting up there > was hot air from the blowers Alas this isn't a landy I'm talking about, it's the Pinzgauer, and it already has such a device as it's an air-cooled engine. Perhaps I should fit two of them... There's a proper place and fittings on the truck for an Eberwhatsit, perhaps I'll go totally over the top and get one of those ;-) SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Not the easiest of jobs, but not the hardest I have ever undertaken on a >landy now that's a fecking good idea. The series III heater is not great shakes, adding a heat exchanger on the exhaust would supply additional warmth. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25 || If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) || [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] || Is there a better way, or has technology come up with a mist-begone || spray or similar, or did they all just get new cars ;-) a) clean inside of screen so that it squeaks - this will reduce the misting but not eliminate it. b) don't then go wiping your mucky paws over it to clear the glass! c) anti-mist sprays used by motorcyclists need re-applying every day IME. d) spit really does work (even on the inside of a diving mask after rinsing in sea water) but quantity is an issue. e) I have seen advertised (in the IAM magazine, though never in an LR comic) a small 12v heater that sits on the dash and directs warm air to the screen. I imagine this would work well and be an easy and permanent fix. I can dig an old magazine out if required, although I usually throw them away after I have finished laughing at the readers' letters. SignatureRich ============================== 2001 Disco II ES auto 1971 S2a 88" petrol 1991 Transit Camper Take out the obvious to email me. I had one of those little 12v ceramic heaters, what a waste of money, nowhere near warm enough to demist. Richard > || If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) > || [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I can dig an old magazine out if required, although I usually throw them > away after I have finished laughing at the readers' letters. >I had one of those little 12v ceramic heaters, what a waste of money, >nowhere near warm enough to demist. > Richard Me too, it came with an old 2CV I once owned. [1] It was only good at warming you if you stuck it inside your overalls, and then I bet you could get a better result with an extra woolly pully and hat! WRT screens, a little neat Fairy liquid is good, it works by reducing surface tension so droplets can't form - I guess you would have to clean and re-do quite regularly. [1] The previous owner had fitted a galvanised chassis to it. Does anyone make them for old Disco's? Julian. > Me too, it came with an old 2CV I once owned. [1] It was only good at > warming you if you stuck it inside your overalls, and then I bet you could [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > [1] The previous owner had fitted a galvanised chassis to it. Does anyone > make them for old Disco's? So how would that keep the window clear then? ||| e) I have seen advertised (in the IAM magazine, though never in an ||| LR comic) a small 12v heater that sits on the dash and directs warm ||| air to the screen. I imagine this would work well and be an easy ||| and permanent fix. || I had one of those little 12v ceramic heaters, what a waste of money, || nowhere near warm enough to demist. || Richard Not sure is it was one of those ceramic jobbies or a better one. Thinking about it, though, my best trick when we had longer spells of cold mornings was a 230v fan heater placed between the front seats pointing at the screen with the cord passing out and into the house. Put it on 30 mins before you want to go, and not only were the screen and all windows clear, but the car was almost too warm to get into. SignatureRich ============================== 2001 Disco II ES auto 1971 S2a 88" petrol 1991 Transit Camper Take out the obvious to email me. > ||| e) I have seen advertised (in the IAM magazine, though never in an > ||| LR comic) a small 12v heater that sits on the dash and directs warm [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > before you want to go, and not only were the screen and all windows clear, > but the car was almost too warm to get into. I did that a few years ago with my series III and cracked the windscreen - oops. 3KW probably too hot! Richard ||| Not sure is it was one of those ceramic jobbies or a better one. ||| Thinking about it, though, my best trick when we had longer spells [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] ||| the screen and all windows clear, but the car was almost too warm ||| to get into. || I did that a few years ago with my series III and cracked the || windscreen - oops. 3KW probably too hot! Must have been bloody cold outside for that to happen. I used to use the quick and brutal method (kettle of boiling water over the outside of the screen) until someone told me I could crack the glass. Never did any harm, though. SignatureRich ============================== 2001 Disco II ES auto 1971 S2a 88" petrol 1991 Transit Camper Take out the obvious to email me. > Must have been bloody cold outside for that to happen. I used to use the > quick and brutal method (kettle of boiling water over the outside of the > screen) until someone told me I could crack the glass. Never did any > harm, though. I've always used that method, even at several degrees below, never had a windscreen crack yet. > a) clean inside of screen so that it squeaks - this will reduce the misting > but not eliminate it. If there's one thing I'm really shite at, it's cleaning things! > b) don't then go wiping your mucky paws over it to clear the glass! I use a rubber squeegee thing but the inside of the pinz just seems to make dust appear, which coats the screen and ends up forming swirling patterns when I wipe the screen. > c) anti-mist sprays used by motorcyclists need re-applying every day > IME. Yeah, I think that idea's out. > d) spit really does work (even on the inside of a diving mask after rinsing > in sea water) but quantity is an issue. Perhaps I need to buy myself a labrador! Put it on one side of the glass, me on the other, job done! > e) I have seen advertised (in the IAM magazine, though never in an LR comic) > a small 12v heater that sits on the dash and directs warm air to the screen. > I imagine this would work well and be an easy and permanent fix. They're never hot enough to make any difference, although given that the pinz is 24 volts it might be hot enough, for a short period ;-) I think I'll try the washing up liquid idea, coupled with leaving the windows open until I can get appreciable heat from the heater, I'll see how all that lot works together. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! ||| d) spit really does work (even on the inside of a diving mask after ||| rinsing in sea water) but quantity is an issue. || || Perhaps I need to buy myself a labrador! Put it on one side of the || glass, me on the other, job done! Why didn't I suggest that??? From the way my lab's slobber sticks to any smart clothes I happen to have breakfast in, it should be an almost permanent solution. SignatureRich ============================== 2001 Disco II ES auto 1971 S2a 88" petrol 1991 Transit Camper Take out the obvious to email me. > If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is there a better way, or has technology come up with a mist-begone > spray or similar, or did they all just get new cars ;-) Not being sarcastic, but a decent leather works for me!!! SignatureTa! Nige Subaru WRX (54) Land Rover 101 GS/Ambi (Morph) BMW 650 GS Dakar > Not being sarcastic, but a decent leather works for me!!! Thing is, as soon as I clear the screen off, 30 seconds later it's gone again. Given that the pinz is left-hand drive, if I can't see the right hand mirror through the windscreen I can't see what's to my right at all which is a real PITA when pulling out onto roads. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) > >What's the best way to demist in an older vehicle? can you not fold the screen down on the Pinz? :) > can you not fold the screen down on the Pinz? :) Yes, and remove the door tops, but to be honest it's not the solution I'm after! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> can you not fold the screen down on the Pinz? :) > >Yes, and remove the door tops, but to be honest it's not the solution >I'm after! coward :) > > can you not fold the screen down on the Pinz? :) > > Yes, and remove the door tops, but to be honest it's not the solution > I'm after! Redirect a demister pipe to the far door window and fit the mirror heating element from a Range Rover behind the mirror glass. The mirrors on my R/R get almost hot to the back of the hand. Worth a try. Martin > Redirect a demister pipe to the far door window and fit the mirror > heating element from a Range Rover behind the mirror glass. The > mirrors on my R/R get almost hot to the back of the hand. Worth a > try. I'll probably figure out a way to redirect some warm air to the windscreen directly in front of the mirror, slightly easier said than done, heated mirrors aren't a problem though as the glass on the mirrors doesn't seem to mist up. Because of the shape of the vehicle, the right-hand mirror (driver is on left) is in front of the truck and you look at it through the front windscreen, rather than a side window. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > > Redirect a demister pipe to the far door window and fit the mirror > > heating element from a Range Rover behind the mirror glass. The [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > you look at it through the front windscreen, rather than a side > window. I was thinking of redirecting the passenger (offside) demister pipe to the side window but with the mirror in the present position it may be easy to just move the demister vent along to the exact windscreen position that you can see the mirror through? Martin > I was thinking of redirecting the passenger (offside) demister pipe to the > side window but with the mirror in the present position it may be easy to > just move the demister vent along to the exact windscreen position that you > can see the mirror through? I may set up a small bleed pipe that I can use to aim it directly at the point in front of the passenger-side mirror, it might help. We've got plenty of experimenting weather this weekend it seems! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! A gloved hand on the inside of the windscreen or at least the side of the split screen I can reach. Not so much demisting in the mornings as desaturation. SignatureLarry Series 3 Rust and Holes > If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is there a better way, or has technology come up with a mist-begone > spray or similar, or did they all just get new cars ;-) > A gloved hand on the inside of the windscreen or at least the side of the > split screen I can reach. Not so much demisting in the mornings as > desaturation. I think I need a gloved hand on a stick, the right-hand rear view mirror is only visible if the extreme right-hand edge of the windscreen is mist free, blasted thing. Perhaps it's similar for truck-cab owners, I've got the rear cab canvas fitted at the moment to separate the cab from the rest of the load area to give the heater less work to do, but of course the moisture from the drip in the driver's seat gets dispersed less too. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is there a better way, or has technology come up with a mist-begone > spray or similar, or did they all just get new cars ;-) My dad used to wipe a fresh half potato (raw) across and that stopped it ( mind you it was in the 40's) > My dad used to wipe a fresh half potato (raw) across and that stopped it > ( mind you it was in the 40's) Skins or no skins? SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > > My dad used to wipe a fresh half potato (raw) across and that stopped it > > ( mind you it was in the 40's) > > Skins or no skins? The cut flat juicy part ! Honestly not a wind up :-)) Only problem is when dry it leaves a slight white coat of starch, but in desparation it works for a while > The cut flat juicy part ! > Honestly not a wind up :-)) > Only problem is when dry it leaves a slight white coat of starch, but in > desparation it works for a while Hehe, cheers, not sure I'm desperate enough to wipe my window with spuds! I suppose I could make some kind of vegetable-based squeegee.. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> The cut flat juicy part ! >> Honestly not a wind up :-)) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Hehe, cheers, not sure I'm desperate enough to wipe my window with >spuds! I suppose I could make some kind of vegetable-based squeegee.. Try it. Got a mate and his girlfriend back from spain in torrential downpours when the wiper motor on his very dodgy morris minor van packed up. About 1000 miles relying on cut spuds, and 2 pieces of string to pull wipers back and fro. Van made it home safley, unlike girlfriend, last seen heading for Toulouse train station. David > Got a mate and his girlfriend back from spain in torrential downpours > when the wiper motor on his very dodgy morris minor van packed up. Don't worry, I haven't totally dismissed the idea, although the windows turning white when it's dry is a little off-putting.. So in my cab I need some washing up liquid, some leather, a hairdryer, some string and a couple of spuds. It's beginning to sound like some kind of bizarre survival challenge ;-) SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> Got a mate and his girlfriend back from spain in torrential downpours >> when the wiper motor on his very dodgy morris minor van packed up. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >some string and a couple of spuds. It's beginning to sound like some >kind of bizarre survival challenge ;-) You forgot the virgin goat. David > You forgot the virgin goat. Oh f.ck that's me voted out... SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! || On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:35:55 +0000, Ian Rawlings || <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] || || David And the labrador. SignatureRich ============================== 2001 Disco II ES auto 1971 S2a 88" petrol 1991 Transit Camper Take out the obvious to email me. >> Got a mate and his girlfriend back from spain in torrential downpours >> when the wiper motor on his very dodgy morris minor van packed up. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > some string and a couple of spuds. It's beginning to sound like some > kind of bizarre survival challenge ;-) Ive had a brainwave! On of the the other posts said about a hairdrier used with an inverter. What if a tube was fixed to the top of the dash with hairdrier in one end and the other end sealed and some little holes along its length directing on the screen. Then plug hairdrier into a timer and timer plugged into inverter so it comes on say 10 mins before you need car? Would this work or (1) silly idea or (2) flat battery ? Richard >>> Got a mate and his girlfriend back from spain in torrential downpours >>> when the wiper motor on his very dodgy morris minor van packed up. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Would this work or (1) silly idea or (2) flat battery ? > Richard Unfortunately I am mechanically challenged, however it sounds to me like the makings of a great blow wave hair do!! LOL Seriously I just hit the full power and demist, sit there for five mins and go. I did used to have a car which did mist heavily, I put a box of those crystals which soak up condensation into the car overnight and it helped greatly. Still some demisting required but a damn sight easier. > Ive had a brainwave! Surely you mean "brain operation"? > Would this work or (1) silly idea or (2) flat battery ? Well, while it sounds like it might work, I only seem to have problems with misting when I'm in the vehicle. Now you might think that's obvious because if I'm not *in* the vehicle, why would I care how misty it is, but that's not what I mean. When I walk up to the thing, the windscreen is nice and clear, when I get in it mists up after about 20-30 seconds, wiping it just clears it temporarily so I'd have to have the hairdryer and drainpipe contraption on all the time. I think I might be able to solve this issue once and for all by either holding my breath while I'm driving, or of fitting a snorkel to the cab that I breathe through. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> Ive had a brainwave! > > Surely you mean "brain operation"? That rather silly Oz movie "Braindead" was on the telly again last night. >> Would this work or (1) silly idea or (2) flat battery ? > ... > wiping it just clears it temporarily so I'd have > to have the hairdryer and drainpipe contraption on all the time. Only in extreme cold - IME you only have to raise the temp of the glass a little to stop the condensation/misting. > I > think I might be able to solve this issue once and for all by either > holding my breath while I'm driving, or of fitting a snorkel to the > cab that I breathe through. Double glazing ? SignatureWilliam Tasso Land Rover - 110 V8 Discovery - V8 William Tasso <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> I >> think I might be able to solve this issue once and for all by either >> holding my breath while I'm driving, or of fitting a snorkel to the >> cab that I breathe through. > > Double glazing ? Cling film.... when it mists... whip it off... alright for another 30 seconds then :-) As an old V-Dubber I can add that I'm a little concerned if you do get exhasut whiffey down the heater then that a pretty sure sign of a holed heat exchanger allowing exhaust fumes in to the cabin. A few people have lived to tell the tale so best be certain!. The other thing with exhaust heat exchangers on Vdubs is that when the outer case of the heat exchanger rots it then fills with road spray as you are driving and guess what happens next :-) Dunno where your heat exchangers are mounted but worth considering both the above. Another suggestion would be to check out the VW groups, especially those who use Vans who will be in the same predicament, they are quite a create bunch and probably have an off the shelf doofer. Lee D > As an old V-Dubber I can add that I'm a little concerned if you do get > exhasut whiffey down the heater then that a pretty sure sign of a holed heat > exchanger allowing exhaust fumes in to the cabin. A few people have lived to > tell the tale so best be certain!. Ah no don't worry about that, the exhaust fumes are present in the air washed out from the engine compartment, not in the heater air, which is drawn in fresh and heated by the exhaust, not the engine. The exhaust fumes reference was made because Austin IIRC had suggested I vent hot air from the engine to the windscreen. The exhaust fumes are only there because the lack of aerodynamics tends to suck them in all sorts of directions, not because there's any leaks in the exhaust system. > Another suggestion would be to check out the VW groups, especially those who > use Vans who will be in the same predicament, they are quite a create bunch > and probably have an off the shelf doofer. I've got a friend with an air-cooled camper, I'll see if he's got any suggestions. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >>> Ive had a brainwave! >> >> Surely you mean "brain operation"? > >That rather silly Oz movie "Braindead" was on the telly again last night. Its a great film! :) watch bad taste too as it is just as good. Come to think of it there are a lot of good cheesy oz horror movies. I have one somewhere with harold out of neighbours in it as an evil scientist.. > >>> Ive had a brainwave! > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > have one somewhere with harold out of neighbours in it as an evil > scientist.. Blimey, 'Bad Taste', that's a blast from the past, proper funny that one. Martin > Blimey, 'Bad Taste', that's a blast from the past, proper funny that one. Another highlight of the NZ film industry from none other than Peter Jackson of Lord Of The Rings fame. SignatureEMB >> Ive had a brainwave! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > holding my breath while I'm driving, or of fitting a snorkel to the > cab that I breathe through. Last winter I was getting ice on the inside of the screen on my 90. wonder if it would stop that? Richard > > Ive had a brainwave! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > holding my breath while I'm driving, or of fitting a snorkel to the > cab that I breathe through. If you have far to go whilst holding your breath it *will* be solved 'once and for all'. Martin > If you have far to go whilst holding your breath it *will* be solved 'once > and for all'. Yesterday I went for a drive and in both directions the misting didn't happen until I was about 10 minutes from my destination. The explanation for that seems to be that I was driving along the A303 in a truck with a large side area on a windy day at 50-55MPH, so was most likely holding my breath for about 25 minutes before relaxing as I got close to the destination ;-) SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > > If you have far to go whilst holding your breath it *will* be solved 'once > > and for all'. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > likely holding my breath for about 25 minutes before relaxing as I got > close to the destination ;-) And retaining not just your breath. 50-55mph, you reckless fool. :-) When it's windy with a high sided truck it's best to slow down and steer into the gusts. Martin > And retaining not just your breath. 50-55mph, you reckless > fool. :-) With 6 wheels in quite a short vehicle, it's quite stable, but still rather un-nerving! > When it's windy with a high sided truck it's best to slow down and > steer into the gusts. That's what I did, hence me being healthy enough to post tosh on the internet. I don't think 10-year-old cross-ply tyres help much! Replacements are in the post. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > > And retaining not just your breath. 50-55mph, you reckless > > fool. :-) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > internet. I don't think 10-year-old cross-ply tyres help much! > Replacements are in the post. What are you on, 9.00s? and how much roughly? Martin > What are you on, 9.00s? and how much roughly? Not sure what a 9.00 is, it's a 235/85/16 (slightly taller than a 750R16) Greenway Anaconda, an absurdly aggressive tyre, I'm trying them as an experiment. As I'm buying 7 I got a few quid off each one and delivery for a tenner. Road manners are supposed to be shite, and speed rating is just under 70MPH but the pinzgauer has no road manners anyway and while it tops out at 60MPH, my bowels start to leak solids at about 50. Normal price for this size is about £56. http://www.sowdentyres.co.uk/greenway-tyres.html The idea behind these tyres is a progression on my experiences with all-terrain tyres compared to mud tyres on my landy. Nothing makes more of a mess on a lane than a stuck truck, the second most destructive thing is a spinning wheel. The pinz, with diffs locked, spins no wheels or all six wheels at once. I was on an off-roading trip with two other trucks recently, a rangie on muds and a disco on roads, it was the disco that made the mess, the rangie wasn't too bad, and you could hardly tell the pinz had passed. So I'm going to see if the beastly tyres' aggressive nature causes significantly more damage in general use than mud patterns would. If not, then they should help make sure I don't get stuck and don't spin wheels, which saves me a whole shitload of hassle and should make the old beast even less damaging. I do have some misgivings about such a tyre, but if I don't try it I won't know. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> What are you on, 9.00s? and how much roughly? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.sowdentyres.co.uk/greenway-tyres.html Hmmmm ... I know Mark Sowden , in fact I work with him. The tyre business is a part time thing for him ,,, he's a bus driver in Leeds would you believe. .....Smurf > The tyre business is a part time thing for him ,,, he's a bus driver in > Leeds would you believe. He seems OK at answering the phone and getting back to me, must be some crafty use of message drops there. It seems he gets the tyres delivered to me straight from Greenway so quite possible that he's doing the whole thing on his tea break! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> What are you on, 9.00s? and how much roughly? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://www.sowdentyres.co.uk/greenway-tyres.html ooh, they have the "Macho" ones in the size I want for the 4x4 transit project... Mind you, I'd like it to handle on-road, so perhaps not. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young / In a world of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994) > ooh, they have the "Macho" ones in the size I want for the 4x4 > transit project... Mind you, I'd like it to handle on-road, so > perhaps not. Hehe, yes corners are likely to be fun. Mine have arrived this morning, I'm having them fitted in batches, if the signal to noise ratio on this group improves then you know I didn't make the bend! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> ooh, they have the "Macho" ones in the size I want for the 4x4 >> transit project... Mind you, I'd like it to handle on-road, so [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > :) I have anacondas on the 109. They are very scary until they have worn in. A few days after fitting them I had cause to brake moderately on very steep piece of (private) tarmac and everything locked up. I stood on the brakes to see how far I'd go, it did eventually stop but It wouldn't have been much fun on the public road TBH. 2 years later though and I've still got them on and I've done at least one 100 mile run on the black stuff with them. In the dirt they are absolutely marvellous, I had plans to fit a diff lock but I don't think I need one because of the tyres. BTW; done 3000 miles so far and I reckon they're half worn now. About 60% tarmac 40% dirt. I don't do much recreational in it anymore but it had towed 2 1/2 tons of scaffolding in a 4 wheel trailer across a bog :) SignatureMark Roberts > I have anacondas on the 109. They are very scary until they have worn > in. Yep, I'm expecting them to be like slippers on ice for the first few weeks, I suppose I've got another excuse to take the pinz out for several drives every day again ;-) ISTR tyres being covered in shite that's put there to help them come out the moulds, didn't notice if there was a "wash before use" sticker on like on grapes... One thing that concerns me is that at the join between the tread and the sidewall there is a double line of raised rubber, this raised rubber does not describe much of a circle around the sidewall, it's distorted noticeably, as if I was looking at the tyres through some water. This is on all 3 tyres that have been fitted to the rims so far, I don't know if they're all like that or not. The tyre monkey inflated them to 40PSI, despite it reading "MAX 34 PSI" on the sidewall. I'm not convinced 6 PSI would make much of a difference but I let them down to the correct pressure. I've taken some pictures and sent them to the vendor. > In the dirt they are absolutely marvellous, I had plans to fit a diff > lock but I don't think I need one because of the tyres. I had planned to fit a winch, the hope is that with 6 anacondas and diff locks, I won't need one. What's the bets I'll drive the blasted thing into a ditch on my first trip off-road.... > BTW; done 3000 miles so far and I reckon they're half worn now. About > 60% tarmac 40% dirt. I don't do much recreational in it anymore but it > had towed 2 1/2 tons of scaffolding in a 4 wheel trailer across a bog Good stuff, they cost me £54 each inc vat so they look like good value, provided that the ones I have are OK and not knackered. I also have some doubts about the rims, they're tube rims so don't have an inner retaining lip, but given that I've had 5 tyre deflations and one blowout due to having tubes inside tubeless tyres, it's probably less of a risk than putting tubes in there. Pinzers in the US use tubeless tyres on these rims without problems as long as they don't air them down below about 20PSI so they should be OK. Some fit beadlocks then air down to go rock crawling. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > > I have anacondas on the 109. They are very scary until they have worn > > in. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > diff locks, I won't need one. What's the bets I'll drive the blasted > thing into a ditch on my first trip off-road.... Yes but what's the betting that you'll drive it straight out again. Martin > > BTW; done 3000 miles so far and I reckon they're half worn now. About > > 60% tarmac 40% dirt. I don't do much recreational in it anymore but it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > down below about 20PSI so they should be OK. Some fit beadlocks then > air down to go rock crawling. > Yes but what's the betting that you'll drive it straight out again. Having had to recover other vehicles from ditches, probably not that high! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >One thing that concerns me is that at the join between the tread and >the sidewall there is a double line of raised rubber, this raised >rubber does not describe much of a circle around the sidewall, it's >distorted noticeably, as if I was looking at the tyres through some >water. I worried about that as well. It has been airborne on a certain mid Wales farm a couple of times and has hauled numerous very heavy loads about and the tyres have not developed any wierd bulges so I think they are OK. >I had planned to fit a winch, the hope is that with 6 anacondas and >diff locks, I won't need one. What's the bets I'll drive the blasted >thing into a ditch on my first trip off-road.... :) >> BTW; done 3000 miles so far and I reckon they're half worn now. About >> 60% tarmac 40% dirt. I don't do much recreational in it anymore but it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >down below about 20PSI so they should be OK. Some fit beadlocks then >air down to go rock crawling. Well I had them on standard rims at first with tubes and a tube did go. They have since been swapped onto some manky chrome mangels tubeless and I've had no problems after. SignatureMark Roberts > I worried about that as well. It has been airborne on a certain mid > Wales farm a couple of times and has hauled numerous very heavy loads > about and the tyres have not developed any wierd bulges so I think they > are OK. I took some pics and emailed them to the vendor, then had them fitted anyway as I was pretty sure they were OK, I got confirmation of that later. > Well I had them on standard rims at first with tubes and a tube did go. > They have since been swapped onto some manky chrome mangels tubeless and > I've had no problems after. Sure but those are tubeless rims, mine are tubed rims with tubeless tyres on it so there's a chance that the tyres might get pushed off the wheels towards the centre, especially on the four rears which get scrubbed sideways when cornering. If that happens (and I'm not that worried as others are doing it with the same rims) then I'll get some inflatable beadlocks, which can also act as run-flat protection to help keep the truck under control if I ever get a blowout. They're quite neat, a small diameter inner tube that fits into the tyre and locks the bead, but keeps away from the inside of the tyre so doesn't risk heating up from tyre movement. Scorpion Racing sell them. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > They're >quite neat, a small diameter inner tube that fits into the tyre and >locks the bead, but keeps away from the inside of the tyre so doesn't >risk heating up from tyre movement. Scorpion Racing sell them. So many things...................... :) SignatureMark Roberts > > Got a mate and his girlfriend back from spain in torrential downpours > > when the wiper motor on his very dodgy morris minor van packed up. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > some string and a couple of spuds. It's beginning to sound like some > kind of bizarre survival challenge ;-) Well, you started it with your goats kidneys and vinegar. :-) Martin ||| If anyone's going to know this, it's you lot ;-) ||| [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] || My dad used to wipe a fresh half potato (raw) across and that || stopped it ( mind you it was in the 40's) I thought that was for the outside, to make the rain bead up and run off when your wiper motor packs in. I would have thought that all that starch wiped over the inside would make the solution worse than the problem you're trying to solve. Dad had two uses for potatoes (that he told me of, anyway). One was the replacement wiper trick; the other was to ram up the exhaust pipes of vehicles in other regiments when they were messing around in the desert with Monty. The kind of fun you have whan you are bored stupid. SignatureRich ============================== 2001 Disco II ES auto 1971 S2a 88" petrol 1991 Transit Camper Take out the obvious to email me. > Dad had two uses for potatoes (that he told me of, anyway). One was the > replacement wiper trick; the other was to ram up the exhaust pipes of > vehicles in other regiments when they were messing around in the desert with > Monty. The kind of fun you have whan you are bored stupid. Ah the good old days ( we used carrots ). Uncle came back from Western Desert on leave and in the dusk ( in Cape Town) dragged a black tie across the road scaring numerous locals with the "snake". Until the hard case vicar came along and hoiked them from behind the wall by the ear. ||| Dad had two uses for potatoes (that he told me of, anyway). One ||| was the replacement wiper trick; the other was to ram up the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] || locals with the "snake". Until the hard case vicar came along and || hoiked them from behind the wall by the ear. My Dad was in the 8th Army in a Matilda and had a couple of gruesome stories to tell. The worst was the death of a number of squaddies who had decided (common practice apparently) to sleep under the tank to escape the chill of the desert at night. Problem was, they left the engine running for extra heat, and over the next few hours the vibration settled the tracks into the sand, leaving the tank resting on its belly with the soldiers underneath. By the time they realised what was happening, it was too late to get out. Brrr. SignatureRich ============================== 2001 Disco II ES auto 1971 S2a 88" petrol 1991 Transit Camper Take out the obvious to email me. > My Dad was in the 8th Army in a Matilda and had a couple of gruesome > stories to tell. The worst was the death of a number of squaddies who had [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > soldiers underneath. By the time they realised what was happening, it was > too late to get out. My dad fought in Italy, with Shermans and Cromwells IIRC - though he did mention Matildas. Sleeping under the tank was the norm because it gave you protection from attack, I think you had to dig a shallow trench first. I don't think leaving the engine running was an option the noise would have surely prevented any form of sleep! Not too mention the fuel burn and the noise (and smoke from the Diesel versions) giving your position away. Julian || "Richard Brookman" <THErichard.brookmanOBVIOUS@btinternet.com> wrote || in message news:4sqvicF10qo2gU1@mid.individual.net... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] || mention the fuel burn and the noise (and smoke from the Diesel || versions) giving your position away. Well, it's what he told me. He isn't around to confirm or deny, unfortunately. SignatureRich ============================== 2001 Disco II ES auto 1971 S2a 88" petrol 1991 Transit Camper Take out the obvious to email me. > don't think leaving the engine running was an option the noise would have > surely prevented any form of sleep! Not necessarily, when I used to have to sleep in a truck, if I parked anywhere noisy, I tended to leave the engine running all night, as the constant noise drowned out the other noises from outside, its easy to sleep through a constant noise, its intermittent noises that wake you up. I always find a large Diesel engine ticking over to be very soothing anyway! >> don't think leaving the engine running was an option the noise would have >> surely prevented any form of sleep! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I always find a large Diesel engine ticking over to be very soothing > anyway! A valid point, but have you ever been close to a tank with the engine running? Take the Sherman for instance, IIRC one common engine option was an aircooled Pratt and Whitney radial petrol engine, converted from an aero engine, complete with large cooling fan and rudimentary silencing. being close to one even at tickover is bedlam - sleep neigh on impossible and a far cry from the gentle sound of a truck engine on tickover. Julian. >>> don't think leaving the engine running was an option the noise would have >>> surely prevented any form of sleep! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >close to one even at tickover is bedlam - sleep neigh on impossible and a >far cry from the gentle sound of a truck engine on tickover. the use of the aero engine is what made the Sherman sit so high compared to any other WW |
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