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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / December 2006

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painting with tekaloid enamel in cold weather.

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nobber - 06 Dec 2006 13:06 GMT
im going to be painting my tub soon , the problem is i will be doing it
outside and its cold out there.
will the low temps cause me any problems?
ive been told to stand the tin of paint in some hot water whilst
painting , is this a good idea?

also i need a primer that i can brush on , i believe etching primer is
two part and goes off really quictly , any recomondations for a brush
on primer?
Tom Woods - 06 Dec 2006 16:32 GMT
>im going to be painting my tub soon , the problem is i will be doing it
>outside and its cold out there.
>will the low temps cause me any problems?
>ive been told to stand the tin of paint in some hot water whilst
>painting , is this a good idea?

I sprayed some of my car 2 winters ago. That was cellulose but i
assume this will be the same for tekaloid:
The cold weather means the paint takes longer to go off - which gave
it a much better finish in my case.

>also i need a primer that i can brush on , i believe etching primer is
>two part and goes off really quictly , any recomondations for a brush
>on primer?

I used generic etch primer from the paint shop. I have sprayed it, but
Lee did his with a roller.
It is indeed 2 part. I did mine in the summer and it went off at the
same speed as the normal primer i used on top of it.

The etch primer is also only supposed to last for a few days once
mixed, so dont mix it all at once if you are taking your time over the
whole landy.
steve Taylor - 06 Dec 2006 17:46 GMT
> The etch primer is also only supposed to last for a few days once
> mixed, so dont mix it all at once if you are taking your time over the
> whole landy.

Stuff we use goes off in a day or less.

Steve
Stephen Hull - 06 Dec 2006 22:47 GMT
>im going to be painting my tub soon , the problem is i will be doing it
>outside and its cold out there.
>will the low temps cause me any problems?
>ive been told to stand the tin of paint in some hot water whilst
>painting , is this a good idea?

You should be OK unless you paint in sub zero temperatures, cold can be
a problem, damp and frost is the real killer.
(I won't bleat on about you should only paint in warmer conditions).

Cold weather will extend the drying time and stiffen your paint, though
you could add a little Tekaloid fast thinner (TN02) to help ease paint
application.

Heating the can is an old remedy but unfortunately only shortlived,
this method is more suitable when varnishing because heat will dissolve
some of the stearates, though stearates (sediment) is usualy only found
in cheap varnish not paint.

What you should do prior to painting is keep the paint indoors for a few
days to bring the paint to a natural working room temperature as this
will make all the difference and it would be advisable to use two tins
of paint, when one starts to thicken with the cold, then you start using
the other tin, then put the paint you've just used back indoors to heat
up while your using the other warmer thinner paint.

Force heating paint will make it workable for the first couple of panels
but it will quickly become stiff (creating an uneven paint film) and
almost unusable, whereas paint at a favourable room temperature stays
workable for a longer period.

>also i need a primer that i can brush on , i believe etching primer is
>two part and goes off really quictly , any recomondations for a brush
>on primer?

Etch primer is pretty foolproof and doesn't really need any special
attention other than avoiding damp panels obviously.

You can use almost any primer including the Tekaloid range of primers
viewed here: http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/data.html but it
may not be necessary to use a conventional primer, it may be easier to
apply a mixed 50% gloss 50% undercoat after applying acid etch, primers
usually require rubbing down to remove deep brush-marks, whereas gloss
and  undercoat mixed 50-50 leaves no brush-marks and often only requires
a dry flat before applying gloss over the top.

Stephen.

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nobber - 06 Dec 2006 23:39 GMT
> >im going to be painting my tub soon , the problem is i will be doing it
> >outside and its cold out there.
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thanks Stephen.
im  going to go the etch primer route simply to keep the cost down.
I am painting the 90 caladonian blue which is quite dark , should i be
looking for gray primer?
and do i need an under coat? i really want to keep it as quick and as
simple as possible.
another worry i have is i may not have enough paint , i bought two
litres from the avenue group and used a half of a litre on the bulkhead
alone , i still have to do the bonnet , doors , seatbox , tub ,
windscreen etc etc. i may need another litre but will i need to mix all
the paint before i start in order to keep it the same shade?

cheers,

Rob.
Austin Shackles - 07 Dec 2006 07:37 GMT
>im  going to go the etch primer route simply to keep the cost down.
>I am painting the 90 caladonian blue which is quite dark , should i be
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>windscreen etc etc. i may need another litre but will i need to mix all
>the paint before i start in order to keep it the same shade?

I did one coat over the outside of my 109 hard top with less than 2 litres
of paint, by brush.
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Stephen Hull - 07 Dec 2006 21:14 GMT
>> >im going to be painting my tub soon , the problem is i will be doing it
>> >outside and its cold out there.
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>
>Rob.

The primer colour doesn't really matter but you should use a blue
undercoat with a blue gloss.

If you paint straight over grey primer with blue gloss it may not cover
very well and could be patchy and have a grey or lighter tint, you
should either paint one coat of undercoat followed by one coat of gloss
or two coats of gloss.
Coverage depends on colour, porosity etc.

You should mix all the paint together (just in case), mixing the same
paint from different batches could result in a slight colour difference,
but you may not see the difference, it is best to mix it all together
unless its all mixed from the same initial batch.

Stephen.

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