> > > Precision British engineering - just love it. ;-)
> >
> > Ah, that'll be the Lord Lucas playing silly beggers again.....
> > Badger.
>
> Lord Bosch on the Td5, surely?
> > > > Precision British engineering - just love it. ;-)
> > >
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> Motronic.
> Badger.
Not on the Td5 - I was at Lucas Diesels (now Delphi Diesels)
at the time - the injectors are Lucas, but the ECU Bosch. The
technology share deal expired before this (the old CAV systems).
Bosch are terrible for not allowing access inside ECU's to
find faults/problems except for what they want people to see,
and they *never* make mistakes (I found a rouge CAN message while
at Rolls - would they admit it??), whereas Lucas allow full
access to memory etc (to those who know how) for debugging/fault
location.
The Lucas ECU is (or was, a few years ago anyway), far more
advanced that anyone elses, being configurable for 4 to 16
Cylinders and just about every other parameter is changable
(on the fly, which is fun if you take the limiters of everything
and do a cruise resume to 100mph on a 12L CAT engine).
Lucas ECU's are fitted to a lot engines that are considered
superior, but are more often than not re-badged to imply they
are in-house designs.
Sorry to bang on, but Lucas get a lot of stick for problems that
are nothing to do with them, and very rarely get acknowleged
for their successes. I remember some years back reading an
American wittering on about Lucas, yet the box had "Made With
Pride in The USA" on it.....
All this might have changed under Delhpi though.
Richard

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Badger - 30 May 2007 16:36 GMT
> > > > > Precision British engineering - just love it. ;-)
> > > >
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> at the time - the injectors are Lucas, but the ECU Bosch. The
> technology share deal expired before this (the old CAV systems).
Sorry if I picked it up wrong, I assumed petrol as we were talking about
AQFM's and K&N's.
> Bosch are terrible for not allowing access inside ECU's to
> find faults/problems except for what they want people to see,
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> American wittering on about Lucas, yet the box had "Made With
> Pride in The USA" on it.....
Talking of ECU's, Lucas make the Main Engine Control Unit (MECU) and Digital
version (DECU) that controls the engines and reheat on RB199 engines as
fitted to Tornado aircraft. The MECU is fairly reliable, but does have the
odd glitch every now and again, the DECU is slightly superior and easier to
"talk to". The problems, electrically at least, are most of the various
pieces of electrical test equipment made by the same firm that are needed to
talk to the ecu's. To say they tend to be unreliable is almost an
understatement!
Lucas, in all honesty, has been tarred (sometimes unfairly, I admit) by the
brush of "Prince of darkness" for a long, long time now - based on previous
performance, yet I doubt that many of their competitors were really much
better at the same period. Names like Magnetti Minarelli spring to
mind..........
Badger.