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200Tdi seems a little sluggish
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Alex - 14 Jun 2007 22:37 GMT Got a 200Tdi fitted into an 89 RR, seems a little sluggish on the motorway. Has trouble maintaining 70mph up gentle hills, and not as much pick-up as i'd like mid-range. Thought perhaps it might be turbo. No oil or smoke, but the turbo doesn't seem to kick in like previous TDI's i've driven.
Anyone got any ideas? If it was a petrol I'd know what to poke around at, but a 200Tdi I have no idea....
Alex
hugh - 14 Jun 2007 23:25 GMT >Got a 200Tdi fitted into an 89 RR, seems a little sluggish on the >motorway. Has trouble maintaining 70mph up gentle hills, and not as [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Alex Possibly fuel starvation. Check filter and also water trap if there is one on RR.
Could be diaphragm gone in injector pump. This detects turbo pressure and provides more fuel. Ensure pipe from turbo is OK, not punctured or split.
Check for any splits in air hoses from turbo to intercooler although they usually cause a whistle.
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Derek - 15 Jun 2007 00:20 GMT >>Got a 200Tdi fitted into an 89 RR, seems a little sluggish on the >>motorway. Has trouble maintaining 70mph up gentle hills, and not as [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Check for any splits in air hoses from turbo to intercooler although they > usually cause a whistle. could even be a slightly low turbo pressure this post makes for a spot of light reading http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=31&hl=fuel+pump
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Alex - 15 Jun 2007 08:43 GMT >>>Got a 200Tdi fitted into an 89 RR, seems a little sluggish on the >>>motorway. Has trouble maintaining 70mph up gentle hills, and not as [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >could even be a slightly low turbo pressure this post makes for a spot of >light reading http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=31&hl=fuel+pump Reading some of this coupled with Hughs comments above is lending me to suspect there may be a problem somewhere in the wastegate to diaphram area of things. I am thinking that I will intercept the line from the turbo to the injector pump and fit a pressure gauge, at least I can see if the turbo is actually producing any boost. Do I actually have to get it running along the road to see, or should the boost cut in the same when the engine not under load?
Alex
EMB - 15 Jun 2007 09:27 GMT > Reading some of this coupled with Hughs comments above is lending me > to suspect there may be a problem somewhere in the wastegate to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have to get it running along the road to see, or should the boost cut > in the same when the engine not under load? It'll only produce boost under load.
Pete M - 15 Jun 2007 22:35 GMT In news:46724d89@news01.wxnz.net, EMB <embtwo@gmail.com> wittered on forthwith;
>> Reading some of this coupled with Hughs comments above is lending me >> to suspect there may be a problem somewhere in the wastegate to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It'll only produce boost under load. Check there are no exhaust manifold blows while you're at it. I'm being persecuted by the bleedin' things at the the moment and it pretty much kills boost pressure.
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Austin Shackles - 16 Jun 2007 07:56 GMT >> It'll only produce boost under load. must produce some pressure at high revs off-load, though? might not be full boost, I admit. But at (say) 3000 rpm, the engine is pumping 3000 x 1.25 litres per minute of air through the turbo impeller, and that must be generating airflow in the compressor.
Now, if you had a very clever turbo it could idle when not needed, and only generate boost when the engine is under load, and this would probably be more efficient... But I don't think they fit ones like that.
I've revved turbo ones in the yard with the bonnet up and noted the hoses getting fatter, so I reckon it boosts any time the engine's up to speed, meself.
>Check there are no exhaust manifold blows while you're at it. I'm being >persecuted by the bleedin' things at the the moment and it pretty much kills >boost pressure. and this is another good point. The transit TD here has the same problem, and when the manifold is blowing it don't pull so well. Unfortunately, the simple fix (gun gum around the joint) doesn't last all that long - but the proper fix, which is to remove the manifold, clean the joint and re-seal it (it doesn't have a gasket), would take about half a day, whereas the simple one takes 5 minutes.
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EMB - 16 Jun 2007 08:07 GMT > I've revved turbo ones in the yard with the bonnet up and noted the hoses > getting fatter, so I reckon it boosts any time the engine's up to speed, > meself. Connect a boost gauge and have a look at what happens.
Austin Shackles - 17 Jun 2007 20:45 GMT >> I've revved turbo ones in the yard with the bonnet up and noted the hoses >> getting fatter, so I reckon it boosts any time the engine's up to speed, >> meself. > >Connect a boost gauge and have a look at what happens. I'm not arguing that it'll produce full boost off-load. But it's still a fact that just by rotating the engine pumps a goodly wedge of air through the impeller, which must generate some boost. The difference when it's burning fuel is that you not only get the balance of the input air going out of the exhaust but also the combustion gases.
You're quite correct that what you need to measure is maximum boost, and it'll only do that at full chat. Or, more accurately I suppose you need to measure the revs at which the wastegate opens, on a normal sort of engine.
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TonyB - 15 Jun 2007 22:46 GMT >> Reading some of this coupled with Hughs comments above is lending me >> to suspect there may be a problem somewhere in the wastegate to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It'll only produce boost under load. Er, not quite. The engine doesn't have to be under load but does need spinning up. It'll produce more than enough pressure at rest if you take off the hose and put your hand over the turbo outlet. Rev the engine and there should be a fair bit of pressure on your hand, similar, oddly, to an exhaust pipe pressure.
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EMB - 16 Jun 2007 00:37 GMT >>> Reading some of this coupled with Hughs comments above is lending me >>> to suspect there may be a problem somewhere in the wastegate to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > and there should be a fair bit of pressure on your hand, similar, oddly, > to an exhaust pipe pressure. FFS if you don't understand the workings of something please at least STFU rather than disseminate misinformation to people looking for help. To check for a turbocharger problem you need to check for maximum boost which can only be done under load - free revving will not produce any significant amount of boost.
Oily - 16 Jun 2007 09:38 GMT > >>> Reading some of this coupled with Hughs comments above is lending me > >>> to suspect there may be a problem somewhere in the wastegate to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > boost which can only be done under load - free revving will not produce > any significant amount of boost. Nice one EMB, you don't mince words. The important point is when the engine is under load it's burning a lot more fuel, and producing much more expanding exhaust gases which drive the turbo faster, turning out more boost. You need to T in an accurate low pressure gauge to check how much.
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EMB - 16 Jun 2007 11:52 GMT > Nice one EMB, you don't mince words. I'm never keen on being told I'm wrong when I've given correct advice. Otherwise I'm mostly pleasant and of good humour.
Derek - 16 Jun 2007 13:42 GMT >> > "EMB" <embtwo@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:46724d89@news01.wxnz.net... [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Martin Martin I seem to recall the recommendation was to check with the engine running over 2000rpm and climbing that sound about right ? (I'm imagining it means similar to the climb up from Mottram to Staly 1:20? ) btw you got any RRC bits you want to sell I have a list ;-) Derek
Oily - 18 Jun 2007 12:37 GMT "Derek" wrote .............
> Martin I seem to recall the recommendation was to check with the engine > running over 2000rpm and climbing that sound about right ? (I'm imagining > it means similar to the climb up from Mottram to Staly 1:20? ) btw you got > any RRC bits you want to sell I have a list > ;-) > Derek That would do the trick, and yes, I've got lots of bits, mail me the list and I'll see if I can help you out.
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Tom Woods - 16 Jun 2007 17:49 GMT >Nice one EMB, you don't mince words. The important point is when the engine >is under load it's burning a lot more fuel, and producing much more >expanding exhaust gases which drive the turbo faster, turning out more >boost. You need to T in an accurate low pressure gauge to check how much. The first bit of advice to anyone with a turbo engine experiencing issues should definately be to fit an accurate boost gauge. until you know what the boost is you are just guessing at other causes.
In my saab, to set up my max boost I always go for a steep hill and then thrash it up it ensuring i get to 4th gear (top in my car).
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TonyB - 16 Jun 2007 21:25 GMT >>Nice one EMB, you don't mince words. No he doesn't does he?
However, I will at least remain polite in my reply and hold a faint hope that an apology may be forthcoming. I quote the original poster: " at least I can see if the turbo is actually producing any boost. "
My test will tell him exactly if his turbo is producing ANY boost.
He did not ask for an accurate method of measuring boost.
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Austin Shackles - 17 Jun 2007 20:49 GMT >>>Nice one EMB, you don't mince words. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >He did not ask for an accurate method of measuring boost. well, true. To check for "any" boost, you open the bonnet and rev it up to about 3000, and watch the outlet hoses from the turbo, which will get fatter.
However, it's pretty unlikely to produce no boost at all without other symptoms, so you really do need a max boost check. Since most of them regulate boost with a wastegate, knowing at what revs the boost stabilises at the preset level is also useful - if the turbo, for any reason, is a bit lacksadasical then it might still get to the book value for boost but not 'til a higher speed.
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hugh - 17 Jun 2007 11:35 GMT In message <467322ba$1@news01.wxnz.net>, EMB <embtwo@gmail.com> writes
>>>> Reading some of this coupled with Hughs comments above is lending me >>>> to suspect there may be a problem somewhere in the wastegate to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >which can only be done under load - free revving will not produce any >significant amount of boost. I would agree with this. I had a Volvo turbo with a boost gauge on the dash and I was surprised to note that that cruising down the motorway at 70(ish) there was virtually no reading at all.
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TonyB - 17 Jun 2007 12:14 GMT > In message <467322ba$1@news01.wxnz.net>, EMB <embtwo@gmail.com> writes >>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > dash and I was surprised to note that that cruising down the motorway at > 70(ish) there was virtually no reading at all. I'm afraid you may be under the same misapprehension that EMB is under Hugh. While crusing at 70 you'll have a low throttle opening which results in low exhaust gas pressure, thus the turbo will not spin to full speed. Opening the throttle with an increase in gas flow will spin up the turbo but a load on the engine is not necessary for this to occur. TonyB
EMB - 17 Jun 2007 13:44 GMT > I'm afraid you may be under the same misapprehension that EMB is under > Hugh. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > spin up the turbo but a load on the engine is not necessary for this to > occur. Patently untrue Tony. And I'd really appreciate if you'd stop spreading inaccurate information - maximum boost will not occur without close to maximum load (proven over the weekend in several different vehicles ranging from 2.5 to 16 litres displacement, and max boosts from 0.5bar to 4bar).
Ian Rawlings - 17 Jun 2007 16:33 GMT > Patently untrue Tony. And I'd really appreciate if you'd stop spreading > inaccurate information - maximum boost will not occur without close to > maximum load He's not claimed that it does, he's just said that you'll get *some* boost, not max, so you can at least say that the turbo is spinning. I've seen the same on my old lotus, with no load the boost gauge will give a reading when you boot the throttle in neutral but you don't get much until you're in gear and underway.
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EMB - 17 Jun 2007 20:00 GMT >> Patently untrue Tony. And I'd really appreciate if you'd stop spreading >> inaccurate information - maximum boost will not occur without close to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > give a reading when you boot the throttle in neutral but you don't get > much until you're in gear and underway. As turbo problems are commonly related to worn axial thrust bearings you need to run them up to significant boost to put a high axial load onto them to check. The same applies to a sticky wastegate - maximum boost is often all that is affected.
Ian Rawlings - 17 Jun 2007 20:14 GMT > As turbo problems are commonly related to worn axial thrust bearings you > need to run them up to significant boost to put a high axial load onto > them to check. The same applies to a sticky wastegate - maximum boost > is often all that is affected. It can certainly help, but when a vane fell off mine, just a simple no-load test was fine, under no load you could hear the bloody thing, sounded dreadful ;-)
But anyhow, it was your moaning at him for saying something I never saw him say that bought me into this, and as it's a hot sweaty evening, I'm off to finish my beer, enjoy!
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TonyB - 17 Jun 2007 20:40 GMT >> I'm afraid you may be under the same misapprehension that EMB is under >> Hugh. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ranging from 2.5 to 16 litres displacement, and max boosts from 0.5bar to > 4bar). We were not talking about maximum boost as you'll see if you read the posts properly. The OP wanted to know if he was producing ANY boost as he said. My test is easy cheap and works, I didn't say it would measure boost accurately but it will tell him if he's getting boost at all. Further, you said "It'll only produce boost under load." which is the most patently untrue statement in this thread so far.
Load has nothing to do with boost. Of course you'll get max boost under max load but not because of it.
I would really appreciate it if you'd stop slagging me off without good cause. Please, read the posts first. TonyB
Oily - 18 Jun 2007 01:55 GMT > >> I'm afraid you may be under the same misapprehension that EMB is under > >> Hugh. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > patently untrue statement > in this thread so far. It won't produce any SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT of boost unless it is under load.
> Load has nothing to do with boost. Of course you'll get max boost under max > load but not because of it. Why do you think Hugh's Volvo produced 'virtually no reading' whilst 'cruising' along merrily at 70 mph?
> I would really appreciate it if you'd stop slagging me off without good > cause. Please, read the posts first. > TonyB He wasn't slagging you off, you were the one that condemned his statement "It'll only produce boost under load", it was a helpful comment for the OP.
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TonyB - 18 Jun 2007 20:17 GMT > It won't produce any SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT of boost unless it is under load. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Martin Martin, thank you for your input.
Point one, the OP did not ask about "significant" amounts of boost, he asked about checking for ANY boost. My test would have told him that he was getting some boost or no boost.
Point two: I have already said, Hugh's Volvo produces little boost at 70 mph because he has a low throttle opening and low exhaust gas pressure.
Point three: The statement that "It'll only produce boost under load" is not helpful, it is wrong.
Point four: Call me touchy if you like but he said "FFS" and told me effectively to shut up unless I knew what I was talking about. If that isn't slagging me off I don't know what is.
Point five: Perhaps you could explain then, why an engine turbo is affected by load on the engine to any degree and why my 300 TDi produced enough boost at rest with the pipes off to almost prevent me from holding my hand over the pipe? Would that be considered "significant boost" ?
TonyB
Oily - 18 Jun 2007 23:21 GMT "TonyB" wrote..............
> Martin, thank you for your input. > > Point one, the OP did not ask about "significant" amounts of boost, he asked > about checking for ANY boost. > My test would have told him that he was getting some boost or no boost. If there was no "significant" amount of boost, it would be a waste of time fitting the turbo in the first place, and it needs to be checked under load. Yes, I concede your test will show the turbo is actually working to a degree, but it needs to be checked more accurately.
> Point two: I have already said, Hugh's Volvo produces little boost at 70 mph > because he has a low throttle opening and > low exhaust gas pressure. What are you trying to say here? Why do you say that Hugh is under a misapprehension?, you have made the same statement which is correct. And after making that statement, how would do you think you would generate the boost in that situation, say, to possibly overtake something? and would the engine be then under load? And why does that alter the boost?
> Point three: The statement that "It'll only produce boost under load" is not > helpful, it is wrong. Dare I say this? FFS Significant is the operative word, it is a waste of time running an insignificant test therefore the engine needs to be under load to test for boost pressure. Your comment was/is wrong.
> Point four: Call me touchy if you like but he said "FFS" and told me > effectively to shut up unless I knew what I was talking about. > If that isn't slagging me off I don't know what is. I don't think you have a right to be 'touchy' when his response was quite appropriate after you effectively told him he knew nothing when he obviously does
> Point five: Perhaps you could explain then, why an engine turbo is affected > by load on the engine to any degree Do you see a relationship between governor or potentiometer? fuel? exhaust gases? proportionate increase in boost?
and why my
> 300 TDi produced enough boost at rest with the pipes off to almost prevent > me from holding my hand over the pipe? > Would that be considered "significant boost" ? Not really. :-) But I knew what you meant.
> TonyB TonyB - 19 Jun 2007 23:27 GMT > Yes, I concede your test will show the turbo is actually working to a > degree, but it needs to be checked more accurately. Fine. That's all I said, we agree.
>> Point two: I have already said, Hugh's Volvo produces little boost at 70 > mph >> because he has a low throttle opening and >> low exhaust gas pressure. > > What are you trying to say here? ** What I am trying to say here is Hugh's Volvo produces little boost at 70 mph because he has a low throttle opening and low exhaust gas pressure. I think that is clear enough.
Why do you say that Hugh is under a
> misapprehension?, ** I said Hugh is under a misapprehension because he said " I was surprised to note that that cruising down the motorway at 70(ish) there was virtually no reading at all."
Clearly Hugh expected a reading otherwise he would not have been surprised that there wasn't one. I would not have expected a reading at a low throttle opening therefore I think Hugh is under the misapprehension that a high speed should result in him seeing a high boost reading.
you have made the same statement which is correct. **No, Hugh was surprised at his reading, I wasn't.
And
> after making that statement, how would do you think you would generate the > boost in that situation, say, to possibly overtake something? **The increased boost is generated by an increase in exhaust gas pressure, this occurs when you put your foot down to overtake, thus putting more fuel through the engine and increasing the revs.
and would the
> engine be then under load? ** The engine would be under more load, yes
And why does that alter the boost? ** I didn't say it does.
>> Point three: The statement that "It'll only produce boost under load" is > not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > time running an insignificant test therefore the engine needs to be under > load to test for boost pressure. Your comment was/is wrong. ** Nope, the OP did not mention significant he said "ANY" boost. The engine does not have to be under load to test for any, or for that matter, significant, boost. My test will produce enough boost to virtually stop you holding your hand over the outlet pipe, I know it does I have done it, if you don't believe me go and try it. that amouint of boost certainly qualifies to answer the question of "any" boost and to my mind also answers the question of "significant" boost.
>> Point four: Call me touchy if you like but he said "FFS" and told me >> effectively to shut up unless I knew what I was talking about. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > obviously > does ** I did no such thing, I said "Not quite" and explained why in polite terms, his response he now concedes wasn't right but at least Mike went out and tried the test.
>> Point five: Perhaps you could explain then, why an engine turbo is > affected [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > exhaust > gases? proportionate increase in boost? ** You'll have to explain that one properly, don't forget you are dealing with an idiot here.
> and why my >> 300 TDi produced enough boost at rest with the pipes off to almost [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Not really. :-) But I knew what you meant. ** You'll have to explain that one too.
TonyB
Oily - 19 Jun 2007 23:53 GMT "TonyB" wrote ...............
<snip load of bollocks>
> don't forget you are dealing > with an idiot here. FFS I give up!
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TonyB - 20 Jun 2007 19:09 GMT > FFS I give up! Yes it is best to when you have trouble communicating. TonyB
EMB - 18 Jun 2007 09:33 GMT > We were not talking about maximum boost as you'll see if you read the > posts properly. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I would really appreciate it if you'd stop slagging me off without good > cause. Please, read the posts first. Tony
Hatchet, buried, and sorry if you took offence. However I have a turbo sitting on my bench that will 'produce boost' according to your test, but the moment it is subjected to any significant load will promptly bash the exhaust impeller into the housing and cease to turn (and thus no longer produce boost). Quite apart from which (as per another of my posts) a sticky wastegate (a common and relatively cheaply repaired problem) will not necessarily be diagnosed by your 'test'.
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TonyB - 18 Jun 2007 20:21 GMT > Tony > > Hatchet, buried, and sorry if you took offence. Thanks Mike, I did a bit as it happens.
However I have a turbo
> sitting on my bench that will 'produce boost' according to your test, but > the moment it is subjected to any significant load will promptly bash the > exhaust impeller into the housing and cease to turn (and thus no longer > produce boost). ** Point taken and I accept that my test is not an accurate one. I would not attempt to explain the oddities of your bench turbo!
Quite apart from which (as per another of my
> posts) a sticky wastegate (a common and relatively cheaply repaired > problem) will not necessarily be diagnosed by your 'test'. ** I can understand that too, hopefully we have an agreement at last!
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Austin Shackles - 19 Jun 2007 13:08 GMT >** Point taken and I accept that my test is not an accurate one. I would not >attempt to explain the oddities of your bench turbo! it's got shagged bearings, and I bet if you installed it in a motor it'd scream nicely?
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EMB - 19 Jun 2007 13:22 GMT >> ** Point taken and I accept that my test is not an accurate one. I would not >> attempt to explain the oddities of your bench turbo! > > it's got shagged bearings, and I bet if you installed it in a motor it'd > scream nicely? It sure does.
Austin Shackles - 22 Jun 2007 13:59 GMT >>> ** Point taken and I accept that my test is not an accurate one. I would not >>> attempt to explain the oddities of your bench turbo! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >It sure does. Mind, I recall hearing one of the HST "Intercity 125" power cars, which run a Paxman Valenta V12, and that had a turbo "whine" which you could hear from about a mile off, and that was still in service... pretty successful train, is that, dates from the days when we could still do engineering.
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Tim.. - 22 Jun 2007 23:28 GMT >>>> ** Point taken and I accept that my test is not an accurate one. I >>>> would not [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > train, > is that, dates from the days when we could still do engineering. Supercharged and turbo'd...
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Colin Reed - 17 Jun 2007 21:37 GMT The LR workshop manual says the following for testing the boost on the 300Tdi. I would assume the principle (if not fugures) for the 200Tdi would be the same -->
"To check maximum boost pressure, drive vehicle normally, but in such a manner that full throttle can be maintained whilst climbing a hill with engine speed held steady between 2,500 and 3,000 rev/min. Under these circumstances boost pressure should read 0,95 - 1,09 Kgf/cm2 (13.5 - 15.5 lb/in2 )."
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Austin Shackles - 18 Jun 2007 07:46 GMT >The LR workshop manual says the following for testing the boost on the >300Tdi. I would assume the principle (if not fugures) for the 200Tdi [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >boost pressure should read 0,95 - 1,09 Kgf/cm2 >(13.5 - 15.5 lb/in2 )." yes, indeed, that's how you'd check for maximum boost and note that it specifies the speed at which it should be achieved.
But it's true to say that the OP wanted to check for "any" boost, and for that you don't need to do the whole works. It might not tell you much, though, compared with a maximum boost test as above.
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EMB - 18 Jun 2007 09:36 GMT > yes, indeed, that's how you'd check for maximum boost and note that it > specifies the speed at which it should be achieved. > > But it's true to say that the OP wanted to check for "any" boost, and for > that you don't need to do the whole works. It might not tell you much, > though, compared with a maximum boost test as above. Max boost is the only way to tell if a turbo is working correctly - and most unburnt fuel problems only manifest themselves in an obvious manner at high boost pressures.
Ian Rawlings - 18 Jun 2007 09:46 GMT > Max boost is the only way to tell if a turbo is working correctly - and > most unburnt fuel problems only manifest themselves in an obvious manner > at high boost pressures. Sorry mush but that's patently untrue, on my old car you could tell the turbo wasn't working properly even when the car was not under load, with the engine in neutral, booting the throttle produced the most godawful sound from the turbo as it was missing an exhaust vane, the scraping sound was horrible. Testing for max boost is certainly important but to baldly state that anything else is worthless is just daft. You can check for some problems with a turbo just by spinning the thing by hand, every turbo problem does not need a max boost check to see if it's there or not. I've found a stuck wastegate by trying to move the thing by hand, no max boost check was needed to spot that one.
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Austin Shackles - 19 Jun 2007 13:24 GMT >> Max boost is the only way to tell if a turbo is working correctly - and >> most unburnt fuel problems only manifest themselves in an obvious manner [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >to move the thing by hand, no max boost check was needed to spot that >one. True enough. There's also the point that the max boost test will tell you you're not getting the boost you should but not necessarily why...
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Austin Shackles - 19 Jun 2007 13:28 GMT >Sorry mush but that's patently untrue, on my old car you could tell >the turbo wasn't working properly even when the car was not under [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >important but to baldly state that anything else is worthless is just >daft. I think it needs taking in context. The OP stated that the vehicle felt "a bit sluggish". A mechanically fscked turbo which screams at anything over 1500 revs rather tends to self-diagnose: in that case, OP would have posted "my turbo makes a godawful noise[1], I assume that means it's shagged".
The question as originally posed suggests that maybe it's not boosting as well as it should, and to test that, you do really need a maximum boost test as EMB said.
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hugh - 19 Jun 2007 15:01 GMT >>Sorry mush but that's patently untrue, on my old car you could tell >>the turbo wasn't working properly even when the car was not under [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >well as it should, and to test that, you do really need a maximum boost test >as EMB said. We've also not mentioned the third component which is the intercooler.
This is IIRC an 89 RR. Could be the intercooler radiator is bunged up and in need of a (gentle) washing.
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