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Lee_D - 26 Jun 2007 01:08 GMT
Tornado over our house last night, fortunately the funnel didn't touch down.

Looks like peeps in Sheffield are having it rough. The commentary of one
chap on the news "It's getting pretty critical now, the power has gone
off..." Though to be fair the tremor in his voice depicted a little bit more
than just the electric going down.

Our thoughts are with those families who have lost loved ones in some very
tragic circumstances as a result but yet again looking overseas our
countries loss pales in to insignificance.

I'm now pondering a storm bunker as one of my future projects... as extreme
as that may sound when you have a twister hovering above your house it's not
such a wild idea.

Lee
Ian Rawlings - 26 Jun 2007 06:56 GMT
> I'm now pondering a storm bunker as one of my future projects... as extreme
> as that may sound when you have a twister hovering above your house it's not
> such a wild idea.

Blimey, have you been on the sauce?  Yes, bad weather, but even though
it's the worst we've had in a long time, 3 dead nationwide is nothing
considering how dangerous the roads have been, being at Glastonbury
was more of a risk, one died out of a hundred thousand.

As for tornados, as much as risk here as tidal waves and earthquakes..
IIRC the biggest in Britain was many years ago and seemed confined to
Patrick Moore's garden.  You're more at risk from standard winds and
trees falling down, they do kill people in Britain.  Even fog is more
dangerous.

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Lee_D - 26 Jun 2007 14:28 GMT
Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

>> I'm now pondering a storm bunker as one of my future projects... as
>> extreme as that may sound when you have a twister hovering above
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> trees falling down, they do kill people in Britain.  Even fog is more
> dangerous.

I'd think theres a few in Brum that may disagree - a relatively treeless
area.

No trees on my estate and the fog is unlikely to kill me or my family in our
home... though I did see a scary movie once...

<FX-fog horn>
Ian Rawlings - 26 Jun 2007 14:42 GMT
> No trees on my estate and the fog is unlikely to kill me or my
> family in our home... though I did see a scary movie once...

When driving I meant!  We get a lot of fog around here (south west),
more get lost on the roads in the fog than get sucked up by tornados
or drowned in the water.  Not sure how hiding in a hole in the ground
will help with floods either ;-)

After some recent winds, the local councils conducted all-out warfare
against trees lining roads as they were coming down and squishing
people, not sure if they've done that up your way or not but I'd heard
that it had been going on all over the country.

Anyhow, if worried about tornados, simply buy some red sparkly shoes
and carry them with you at all times.  If you find yourself in an area
populated by strange munchkins and wicked witches, don the shoes and
click the heels together.

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Austin Shackles - 26 Jun 2007 13:38 GMT
>Tornado over our house last night, fortunately the funnel didn't touch down.
>
>Looks like peeps in Sheffield are having it rough. The commentary of one
>chap on the news "It's getting pretty critical now, the power has gone
>off..." Though to be fair the tremor in his voice depicted a little bit more
>than just the electric going down.

I hope Martyn isn't under water...

and speaking of Martyn, and hence thinking of military motors to make
campers of...

http://www.witham-sv.com/tender/lots_detail.php?ID=317

in Witham's latest sale-by-tender.

or sir requires something with a bit more presence...

http://www.witham-sv.com/tender/lots_detail.php?ID=324

and these should come in handy if it rains more:

http://www.witham-sv.com/tender/lots_detail.php?ID=445

also a bunch of LT77 gearboxes.
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Ian Rawlings - 26 Jun 2007 14:20 GMT
> and these should come in handy if it rains more:
>
> http://www.witham-sv.com/tender/lots_detail.php?ID=445

I was at a military show recently where someone had bought a green
goddess, and one of those was with it, after a bit of faffing about,
suddenly the water hose started to get fat and push against people's
legs, then the chap with the hose started shouting for help as it got
hard to handle.  Once two of them were on it, they opened it up and it
started drilling holes in the river bank opposite.  I don't think they
were expecting it to start quite so quickly so when it did, it got a
bit scary!  They're the real thing, not for one person to operate when
there's a pressure nozzle on the end.

Very very very odd to get it operational though, once the engine was
started, you run it for a bit to prime the pump, then chuck some lever
and suddenly the engine goes almost totally quiet while the exhaust
appears to be used to power something, then water shoots out the
exhaust!  After a while the hose fires up and starts cutting the
ground up and the exhaust goes back to normal.  No idea what was going
on with the exhaust as I was several feet away watching them figuring
out how to work it but when the exhaust started gushing water, some of
them were shouting "shut it off" while others were saying "it's fine",
and fine it was.  Very odd, especially when the engine went silent
despite revving hard.

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EMB - 26 Jun 2007 20:47 GMT
> I was at a military show recently where someone had bought a green
> goddess, and one of those was with it, after a bit of faffing about,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> bit scary!  They're the real thing, not for one person to operate when
> there's a pressure nozzle on the end.

Yeah, 100+ PSI out of a 1/2" (or larger) straight nozzle soon sorts the
men from the boys and is really a 2 man job.  I have a lovely memory of
a rookie on our fire crew ordering 'water on 1000kPa' and immediately
surfing the concrete trying to hang on to an out of control hose.  We
gave him full marks for tenacity in not letting go but zero for
intelligence.

> Very very very odd to get it operational though, once the engine was
> started, you run it for a bit to prime the pump, then chuck some lever
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> and fine it was.  Very odd, especially when the engine went silent
> despite revving hard.

That's an exhaust ejector priming mechanism.  It uses the exhaust gases
through a venturi system to suck water up the inlet hose so the pump can
get a prime.

http://www.protekspecialty.com/PRA-EP.html
Ian Rawlings - 26 Jun 2007 21:07 GMT
> That's an exhaust ejector priming mechanism.  It uses the exhaust gases
> through a venturi system to suck water up the inlet hose so the pump can
> get a prime.
>
> http://www.protekspecialty.com/PRA-EP.html

Sounds like a match, didn't half sound odd in operation and when the
water shot out the exhaust it made me step back a bit, expecting a
bang and some broken metal..

That reminds me, it was nearly 2 weeks ago now and I'm still wearing
the same trousers, complete with exhaust spatter, no wonder I'm
single!

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Ian Rawlings - 26 Jun 2007 14:45 GMT
> in Witham's latest sale-by-tender.

Snowploughs for landies too (or that's what it looks like);

http://www.witham-sv.com/tender/lots_detail.php?ID=284

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Lee_D - 26 Jun 2007 14:53 GMT
Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

>> in Witham's latest sale-by-tender.
>
> Snowploughs for landies too (or that's what it looks like);
>
> http://www.witham-sv.com/tender/lots_detail.php?ID=284

Yes the clue is in the description.... my guess is it's hydraulic and about
6ft
LOL!
Ian Rawlings - 26 Jun 2007 15:15 GMT
> Yes the clue is in the description.... my guess is it's hydraulic and about
> 6ft
> LOL!

Yeah yeah smart arse, that's why I said it looks like a land-rover
snow plough, being a more cautious sort than yourself (other than
where tornados are concerned!) I thought I'd qualify it as I don't see
it fixed to a land rover..

Besides, by "land rover type" they might have meant that it's made of
soft aluminium and leaks oil a lot!

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David G. Bell - 28 Jun 2007 09:00 GMT
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> and speaking of Martyn, and hence thinking of military motors to make
> campers of...
>
> http://www.witham-sv.com/tender/lots_detail.php?ID=317

Which reminds me: Google Earth coverage of Lincolnshire is now high-res,
showing such places as Witham S.V. and the Rocket Site, Misson.
Unfortunately, the images are several years old. The Lincolnshire Show
is running, and from some signs around where I lived, I reckon it's
either 2003 or 2002. So you can't point to the picture and say you want
that one.

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Paul - xxx - 26 Jun 2007 14:13 GMT
> Tornado over our house last night, fortunately the funnel didn't
> touch down.
> Looks like peeps in Sheffield are having it rough. The commentary of
> one chap on the news "It's getting pretty critical now, the power has
> gone off..." Though to be fair the tremor in his voice depicted a
> little bit more than just the electric going down.

We're downstream of the rivers Don and Torne and the canals (dunno name of)
and are waiting for the dam to burst ... The water is 1" off the top of our
kitchen step, but hasn't got into the house yet.  Both rivers have gone over
the top in the fields near us, but aren't in full flood in our area and
thankfully it's now quite sunny, sporadically, and looking dry.  (For
various values of dry)

Just been down to 'the river' ... towed out two cars that were water-logged
... they're my good deeds for the day ... ;)

> I'm now pondering a storm bunker as one of my future projects... as
> extreme as that may sound when you have a twister hovering above your
> house it's not such a wild idea.

I dunno, it'd cost a fair bit, though I guess it's almost an insuramce
policy.  We rely on reasonable precautions.  I'm a caretaker of two (Infants
and Junior) schools on the same school field, and whilst the field is
water-logged, the playgrounds and schools themselves are dry.  We had the
foresight/hindsight to jet-out our drains a few weeks ago when there was a
'small' downpour and we got substantially wetter then simply because the
playgrounds couldn't shed water via the drainage system.  They barely coped
this time, but the water levels didn't raise as quickly or stay as long.

Supposed to be off to Redcar tomorrow ... dunno if I'll bother now though.
;)

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Lee_D - 26 Jun 2007 14:25 GMT
Paul - xxx <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:

> We're downstream of the rivers Don and Torne and the canals (dunno
> name of) and are waiting for the dam to burst ... The water is 1" off
> the top of our kitchen step, but hasn't got into the house yet.  Both
> rivers have gone over the top in the fields near us, but aren't in
> full flood in our area and thankfully it's now quite sunny,
> sporadically, and looking dry.  (For various values of dry)

Having watched the News they are busy flooding areas by pumping out the
reserviour... they have evacuated the town below but it seems theres an
awful lot of cars now written off where keepers have apparently left them
behind. I know that theres only so much you can do and it's (hopefully!) an
alternative to the bank breaching but what a waste.

> Just been down to 'the river' ... towed out two cars that were
> water-logged ... they're my good deeds for the day ... ;)

Good man! I did wonder if any of our readers would be active :-)
Mark Solesbury - 26 Jun 2007 14:29 GMT
> Paul - xxx <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> uttered summat worrerz funny
> about:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Good man! I did wonder if any of our readers would be active :-)

Im ready. Got shackles and rope etc.  bet it dont flood down here though.

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Nige - 26 Jun 2007 14:40 GMT
>> Paul - xxx <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> uttered summat worrerz funny
>> about:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Im ready. Got shackles and rope etc.  bet it dont flood down here
> though.

I'm ready, i bought a dinghy.
Lee_D - 26 Jun 2007 14:46 GMT
Nige <nigel.inceGETAWAY@btinternet.com> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:

>>> Good man! I did wonder if any of our readers would be active :-)
>>
>> Im ready. Got shackles and rope etc.  bet it dont flood down here
>> though.
>
> I'm ready, i bought a dinghy.

Been on my wish list for a while -- well a Canoe anyway... Camera beat it to
the budget this time though :-) At least I'll have some good photos as I
wade across the street LOL.

Ropes and shackles at the ready here too. I've also got two pumps in the
garage though I've never used them and a muther of a pump at Pa's which is
rather old but has around a 4 inch intake. I doubt I'll be needing them to
be honest. I just have a pump fetish :-)

Staffs area generally floods around Burton on Trent which is a fair way off
us.

Lee
Paul - xxx - 26 Jun 2007 15:11 GMT
> Nige <nigel.inceGETAWAY@btinternet.com> uttered summat worrerz funny
> about:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> which is rather old but has around a 4 inch intake. I doubt I'll be
> needing them to be honest. I just have a pump fetish :-)

We've got strops, rope and shackles with us always nowadays ... The only
time I didn't put them in was the only time I could have saved someone's
life if I'd had them :(

Best thing we carry, IMHO, though is the Hi-lift jack ... Well, it would be
'cept someone broke it for me a couple of weeks ago :(

Supposed to be getting a brand-new one delivered tomorrow from Paddocks ..
mate who broke my 20-odd year old Farm-Jack paid for a nice shiny new one
with a spares kit, tubular jacking adaptor and little plastic thingy to stop
it rattling ... which I consider a fair swap   ;)

All I really need now is a winch chain, winching rope and a swing-away block
.. and a ground anchor and a ..... ;)

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Neil - 27 Jun 2007 20:10 GMT
>Been on my wish list for a while -- well a Canoe anyway... Camera beat it to
>the budget this time though :-) At least I'll have some good photos as I
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Lee

What sort of canoe are you looking for Lee?

I've got a 15 foot lightweight open canoe in the garage which I doubt
I'll use any more.  It's home built, but not by me!

Construction is Dacron over an oak frame with ash trim - light as a
feather, lift it with two fingers.

It needs a little attention to the skin coating(paint) and maybe some
varnish, otherwise she's good!

I think £200 to get it out of my way feels about right!

Neil

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Lee_D - 27 Jun 2007 22:17 GMT
Neil <donotuse@thisaddy.com> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

>> Been on my wish list for a while -- well a Canoe anyway... Camera
>> beat it to the budget this time though :-) At least I'll have some
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> (Reply via NG please)

Spent my immediate pocket money and some. Price sounds right but I'd be
looking for a 17fter to fit  two adaults and two children.

Bung it on ebay, ot should go a treat at the mo.... then again - wait for
people to get there computers dried out first as sad as it is.

Lee
Neil - 27 Jun 2007 22:59 GMT
>Spent my immediate pocket money and some. Price sounds right but I'd be
>looking for a 17fter to fit  two adaults and two children.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Lee

Yes, mine would not be the right thing for you.

Prolly will, circular tuits permitting.

Neil

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nullified - 26 Jun 2007 16:32 GMT
>> Paul - xxx <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> uttered summat worrerz funny
>> about:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>Im ready. Got shackles and rope etc.  bet it dont flood down here though.

I got out a bit last night, around Gainsborough. Couldn't help one
poor old dear though -her Ford Fusion had an electric *handbrake*!
Faffed about trying to get it off for five mins then just gave her a
lift to the dry stuff and went back for more.
About half of them offered me various bits of money they had with
them, but I dont think they realised how much fun I was having :o)
Mark Solesbury - 26 Jun 2007 16:55 GMT
> I got out a bit last night, around Gainsborough. Couldn't help one
> poor old dear though -her Ford Fusion had an electric *handbrake*!
> Faffed about trying to get it off for five mins then just gave her a
> lift to the dry stuff and went back for more.
> About half of them offered me various bits of money they had with
> them, but I dont think they realised how much fun I was having :o)

I often go for a look, but never find anyone in distress.. :(

The new passats at work have an electric handbrake... You have to press
the footbrake before they will turn off...

It is fun to drag sommat out of the water!

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Lee_D - 26 Jun 2007 17:11 GMT
Mark Solesbury <marksolesbury@IWONDERIFTHISWORKSgmail.com> uttered
summat worrerz funny about:

>> I got out a bit last night, around Gainsborough. Couldn't help one
>> poor old dear though -her Ford Fusion had an electric *handbrake*!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> It is fun to drag sommat out of the water!

Blimey - more electronics doomed to fail.

Whilst I'm unlikely to get my feet wet up here just yet just for anyone
reading who does in the near future, just a word to the wise - not an egg
sucking one but intended as helpful - bear in mind the drag of the object
you are pulling theres going to be lots so take it nice and easy and all
should be well. It's most likely the first thing to go twang will be the
pannel on the car thats being recovered if the towing eye is used.

Not intended at anyone here - just of benifit for those lurking.

Lee
nullified - 26 Jun 2007 17:12 GMT
>> I got out a bit last night, around Gainsborough. Couldn't help one
>> poor old dear though -her Ford Fusion had an electric *handbrake*!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>I often go for a look, but never find anyone in distress.. :(

D'ya know, I'm seriously considering having a run out Sheffield way
this evening! I mean, me wellies didn't get breached, so its gotta be
worth another go :o)

>The new passats at work have an electric handbrake... You have to press
>the footbrake before they will turn off...
>
>It is fun to drag sommat out of the water!
Mark Solesbury - 26 Jun 2007 18:45 GMT
> D'ya know, I'm seriously considering having a run out Sheffield way
> this evening! I mean, me wellies didn't get breached, so its gotta be
> worth another go :o)

a 250 mile round trip *might* be a tad over the top.....

:)

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Ian Rawlings - 26 Jun 2007 17:04 GMT
> I got out a bit last night, around Gainsborough. Couldn't help one
> poor old dear though -her Ford Fusion had an electric *handbrake*!

I drove up Glastonbury way in the pinz to see if any nubile student
girls needed rescuing, but the roads were dry, the closest to flooding
I found was one of the small lanes to my village, some people waved me
back before I got to it (I was in the Audi A4 at the time), but it was
only about a foot deep, just drove slowly through it.

Automatics would probably be stuffed re failed electrics too, as they
have the gate lock on the gear selector so drivers wouldn't be able to
get them out of "park".  I've not tried it yet (the A4 is an auto) but
I don't think there's a way to get out of park.  Ain't technology
wonderful eh.

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Oily - 26 Jun 2007 21:06 GMT
> > I got out a bit last night, around Gainsborough. Couldn't help one
> > poor old dear though -her Ford Fusion had an electric *handbrake*!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> back before I got to it (I was in the Audi A4 at the time), but it was
> only about a foot deep, just drove slowly through it.

A red fire engine type Pinz passed me today going east on the A635, don't
see many of those up here.

Martin

> Automatics would probably be stuffed re failed electrics too, as they
> have the gate lock on the gear selector so drivers wouldn't be able to
> get them out of "park".  I've not tried it yet (the A4 is an auto) but
> I don't think there's a way to get out of park.  Ain't technology
> wonderful eh.
Austin Shackles - 27 Jun 2007 07:47 GMT
>A red fire engine type Pinz passed me today going east on the A635, don't
>see many of those up here.

ooh, that reminds me, took a picture of one of they at Eastnor, I meant to
put up some Eastnor pics.
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AJH - 28 Jun 2007 22:59 GMT
>A red fire engine type Pinz passed me today going east on the A635, don't
>see many of those up here.

6 wheel 04 reg followed me down M1 this evening, and turned off to
Weybridge, front was covered in mud you couldn't see it was red
underneath.

AJH
Simon Isaacs - 26 Jun 2007 19:17 GMT
>> Paul - xxx <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> uttered summat worrerz funny
>> about:
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>
>Im ready. Got shackles and rope etc.  bet it dont flood down here though.

given that our two closest rivers (nene and welland) are amongst the
best controlled rivers in the country, i think it will be unlikely
that we see any flooding, unfortunately......

Really annoys me when its house insurance time as well, the last time
we flooded here was 1953, but we are a high risk flood area, so bugger
all people cover you, or whack the premium right up.....
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