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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / July 2007P38 diesel - oil in intercooler pipes - anything to worry about?
Aft'noon all, As some of you may remember, i bought a P38 diesel about a month ago. My K and N air filter finally arrived and when fitting it i noticed a little but of oil under where the intercooler pipe meets the intercooler itself. I felt under the pipe and got oil on my fingers. I then noticed that oil had dropped down onto inner wing et etc. I whipped the intercooler pipe off and there was a fair bit of oil in the pipe. Not a huge amount I suppose but enough to create a thick film on the inside of the pipe. I remember that the Tdi engines used to need an intercooler flush at 80 odd thousand miles and wonder if the P38 needed the same treatment, or have i got problems looming. I've had it for a month or so and it doesnt seem to be using any oil (its done 77k miles) so i'm guessing / hoping that it's natural kinda thing. I'm hoping that it just needs an intercooler flush and the pipes and things are oily because its never been done. I've ruled out crankcase blowby. Any ideas would be greatfully recieved, but answers would be even better! Dave > Aft'noon all, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Dave Turbos f.cked, my 300tdi had this. Take the air pipe off the turbo end, how much play is there on the shaft? Mine had 7mm, it should have next to none.  Signature'World, my finger is on the button' Nige Land Rover Discovery (1995) Honda CBR900RR Fireblade (1997) Yamaha MT-03 (2006) Kawasaki ZZR-1100 (1994) > > Aft'noon all, > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Nige, Have just been outside and whipped the turbo pipes off and I cant detect any play in it at all. The engines' only done 77k after all. When your vehicle started doing this, how much oil was it using. I've done nearly 1000miles in this since i've had it and there seems to have used either no oil, or next to no oil I hate to ask, but how much is a new turbo? > Have just been outside and whipped the turbo pipes off and I cant > detect any play in it at all. Nige's engine was smoking a lot too, blue-ish IIRC, is yours? SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! > > Have just been outside and whipped the turbo pipes off and I cant > > detect any play in it at all. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! No, not that I have noticed. The only smoke i get from it is when i boot it, which must be diesel smoke. I keep going back to thinking that if the turbo is really knackered then it would be using a fair amount of oil? What do you think Ian? > No, not that I have noticed. The only smoke i get from it is when i > boot it, which must be diesel smoke. I keep going back to thinking > that if the turbo is really knackered then it would be using a fair > amount of oil? Sounds OK really, I've not had a single car yet that's not put some oil film on the air hoses. My defender has a very tiny hole in the intercooler, it doesn't affect the power but the only reason I noticed it is because you can see that some oil has, over the last 5 years, made its way out of the hole and stained the surface of the intercooler. It's also got oil-stained hoses, or it did have when the intercooler top hose was replaced but nothing else needed doing. My landy has never needed even the slightest dribble of engine oil topping up between major services. If it starts scoffing oil and dumping it in the exhaust like Nige's did that you need to start worrying! If you read back over Nige's posts over the past two weeks then you'll see he had all sorts of smoking going on from his turbo leak. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Cheers Ian, That makes me feel a whole lot better. I've got to admit that i've never had a vehicle which i've been so "nervous" of. With the RRC Tdi i knew that pretty much anything that went wrong with it would be either easy to fix or relatively inexpensive, but with the bad press that surrounds the P38 i think im looking for trouble. I'm hoping that I would have noticed if the thing was using an excessive amount of oil. Like i mentioned earlier i've not put any oil in since i topped it up because i thought the level was low. Having checked the oil level today after a long journey (100miles each way) over the tops of the mountains on fastish roads plus some heavy towing i'm fairly confident it hasnt used any oil. Its got to tow my trialler on the weekend and then blast up the motorway to work on Monday so I should know for sure in a few hundred miles if I keep an eye on it. I'll clean the intercooler out next service Its a shame I dont trust it really because it truly is fantastic machine (despite missing my 90 - sigh....), I travelled back from Builth Wells yesterday after working 4, twelve hour shifts, in absolute comfort and security. It also has a certain presence on the road. In certain respects it is the natural sucessor to the Tdi, think of a bigger more comfortable RRC Tdi with more power, aircon and heated everything but with the simplicity of a manual gearbox and cloth seats. I will have a tear in my eye when the old stager goes on ebay next week. Mind you, if the P38 is using oil it wont be sold at all. Thanks for your help, fingers crossed! > That makes me feel a whole lot better. I've got to admit that i've > never had a vehicle which i've been so "nervous" of. With the RRC Tdi > i knew that pretty much anything that went wrong with it would be > either easy to fix or relatively inexpensive, but with the bad press > that surrounds the P38 i think im looking for trouble. There's a few P38 users in here who hopefully might be able to offer more info than I can regarding their trouble-spots, I think I'd be nervous of one too, I get nervous about my very basic Defender despite it being the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned! Still, if you get RAC/AA cover with the "onward journey" option and a mobile, you should be able to get to your destination in the P38 ;-) SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >>> Aft'noon all, >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > I hate to ask, but how much is a new turbo? Mine was well gone at 117k, if there is no play, maybe a seal has gone? Around £300-£350 for a new turbo. Signature'World, my finger is on the button' Nige Land Rover Discovery (1995) Honda CBR900RR Fireblade (1997) Yamaha MT-03 (2006) Kawasaki ZZR-1100 (1994) > Turbos f.cked, my 300tdi had this. Take the air pipe off the turbo end, > how much play is there on the shaft? > > Mine had 7mm, it should have next to none. Fkin' expert NOW aren't you ;-)) Steve > > Turbos f.cked, my 300tdi had this. Take the air pipe off the turbo end, > > how much play is there on the shaft? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve its this P38, its made me nervous. >> > Turbos f.cked, my 300tdi had this. Take the air pipe off the turbo end, >> > how much play is there on the shaft? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >its this P38, its made me nervous. It may be a turbo problem BUT mine has had oil in the intercooler pipes since I bought it almost 15000 miles ago, no forther problems have developed yet and it passed it's MOT with no emissions problems last month. I'd sugeest relaxing and waiting a while before jumping in and doing any expensive work. > It may be a turbo problem BUT mine has had oil in the intercooler > pipes since I bought it almost 15000 miles ago, no forther problems > have developed yet and it passed it's MOT with no emissions problems > last month. I'd sugeest relaxing and waiting a while before jumping > in and doing any expensive work. I have never given oil in the intercooler a 2nd thought. (well, not until the recent thread) I removed the EGR rubbish not long after I got the beast (sorry, it's a '98 300tdi Disco Auto)at 3 years old with 90K on the clock. Had to wash out the Intercooler with hot soapy water (or it may have been something _much_ stronger!) Either way, it was pretty messy. It's now quite a bit older with 170K on the clock and still not needing to be topped up with oil between services. Regular oil and filter changes (6000 miles) should surely keep things plodding away for years. Mine too has flown through every MOT without any problems to date. :¬) Signaturehttp://gymratz.co.uk - Best Gym Equipment & Bodybuilding Supplements UK. http://fitness-equipment-uk.com - UK's No.1 Fitness Equipment Suppliers. http://water-rower.co.uk - Worlds best prices on the Worlds best Rower. http://trade-price-supplements.co.uk - Bulk Order Supps. at Trade Prices >> Turbos f.cked, my 300tdi had this. Take the air pipe off the turbo >> end, how much play is there on the shaft? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve hehehe - you can only gain knowledge with experience matey! ;) Signature'World, my finger is on the button' Nige Land Rover Discovery (1995) Honda CBR900RR Fireblade (1997) Yamaha MT-03 (2006) Kawasaki ZZR-1100 (1994) >Turbos f.cked, my 300tdi had this. Take the air pipe off the turbo end, >how much play is there on the shaft? Don't get carried away !!!!! All Turbo diesels blow a bit of oil into the intercoolers. It is just how much that is the issue. 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