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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / August 2007

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Wnted Rangerover classics and P38s

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mark - 31 Aug 2007 12:00 GMT
Hi,

We are looking for any classics or P38`s for breaking.
We are a small family business which break range rovers and p38`s.
If you just need any advise we are willing to help you out, as we are
reange rover enthusiates.
Please ring us on 01332 386507 or 07763 403864.
Ian
EMB - 31 Aug 2007 12:05 GMT
mark spammed the newsgroup:
> Hi,
<snip>

Commercial postings aren't really welcome here.

Thanks
nullified - 31 Aug 2007 13:36 GMT
>mark spammed the newsgroup:
>> Hi,
><snip>
>
>Commercial postings aren't really welcome here.

Feel free not to read them. :o)
'Charters' are not documents of any genuine worth, since they're
inevitably written by an individual rather than a concensus, and
probably by an individual with an antispam fixation (otherwise why
would he bother?). Thats especially the case in alt.* groups, which by
definition dont operate to the more formal rules of other group types.
To be labelled spam, a message would have to be crossposted to
multiple groups (this one wasnt), posted to groups where the message
had no relevance (this one wasnt), or posted multiple times to the
same group (this one wasnt) - in other words, the BI index.
The message was clearly relevant, and could easily be/have been of use
to many group readers. Those who frown on businesses who make 'advert'
posts (an entirely valid perspective) are of course at liberty to add
that business name to their list of people not to do business with, or
even to add them to their killfile.
For the OP, you'd probably have been better off replying to an
existing post (preferably with something of worth!), and just adding
your advert to your sig line :o)
Tom Woods - 31 Aug 2007 14:06 GMT
>>mark spammed the newsgroup:
>>> Hi,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Feel free not to read them. :o)
>'Charters' are not documents of any genuine worth,

indeed - there aint a lot we can do about it, but hes just being
impolite and it isnt going to make him any friends!.
By posting blatant ads like that he will get ignored by a large
percentage of the posters/readers or alternatively told to 'piss off!'
(or equivalent ;) )

Commercial ads are fine when they are offered along with decent
advice/contributions.
Rich B - 31 Aug 2007 14:28 GMT
Sucking his keyboard for inspiration, Tom Woods typed:

>>> mark spammed the newsgroup:
>>>> Hi,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Commercial ads are fine when they are offered along with decent
> advice/contributions.

What's so hard about a polite first post asking the policy on commercial
posting and a brief summary of what the business is about?  Someone would
have responded with "Aye, fire away", and he could have posted no problem.
As it is, although the charter has no legal status and is not enforceable,
he has pissed off half the newsgroup already.  Not a great start.

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nullified - 31 Aug 2007 15:27 GMT
>What's so hard about a polite first post asking the policy on commercial
>posting and a brief summary of what the business is about?  

Absolutely nothing! And thats what he _should_ have done. But that
implies that he (and all the other people who post one-off ads like
that) has sufficient knowledge of newsgroups to be aware that that is
the 'proper' way of doing things. Trouble is, thats not likely to be
the case - commercial advert posters in groups like this, especially
ones where the readers are a 'band' like they are in this group, are
_usually_ ** completely new to the world of usenet. They're ignorant
(in the nice sense of the word!) of newsgroup etiquette, probably of
the internet in general, and are sitting there thinking "how do I
attract business". Then someone tells them about this wicked thing
called newsgroups, which is sorta like emailing your customer database
since everyone who gets your message is someone interested in Landies!
Wow, why didn't someone tell me before? Thats the _perfect_ place to
advertise (whatever it is they sell)! They've not read the group over
a period, why would they, as far as their knowledge extends they
already know for sure this is just the place for them. Unfortunately,
it usually has the opposite effect, since more knowledgeable users
simply steer away from such advertisers.

>Someone would
>have responded with "Aye, fire away", and he could have posted no problem.
>As it is, although the charter has no legal status and is not enforceable,
>he has pissed off half the newsgroup already.  Not a great start.

Indeed :o)

** Of course, there will always be a small element who are well aware
that the group dont want adverts but who post them anyway, hoping to
claim the naive tag if needed. But they're usually easy to spot, if
only because they repeat it as needed!!
 
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