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Lee_D - 09 Nov 2007 02:47 GMT
Well here's hoping it's all just a panic and not a reality.

Fingers crossed for all those peeps that end of the UK.

Time to buy shares in Snorkle manufacturers.

Lee D

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hugh - 09 Nov 2007 12:47 GMT
>Well here's hoping it's all just a panic and not a reality.
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>Lee D

You're not suggesting that the media are actually exaggerating things,
just to fill their 24hour news slots?
Can't be all that bad - we're not even on standby. Mind you I don't
suppose the tidal surge will come up the Trent as far as Stoke will it?
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AJG - 09 Nov 2007 16:41 GMT
>You're not suggesting that the media are actually exaggerating things,
>just to fill their 24hour news slots?

They wouldn't do that would they? I feel that this morning there was the
potential of significant flooding and when it didn't happen a story had
to be produced.
From what I endured this morning alone :-
GMTV : "Look how the sea has flooded across two miles of salt marsh",
it's bleedin salt marsh which it tidal and floods regularly that's why
it's salt marsh!
Or
Radio 2 : "Happisburgh is currently flooded due to the 10 feet higher
than normal high tide" - yes, the very town where the 40 foot cliffs are
currently being eroded!!!!!

Crying wolf is going to backfire big time soon ...

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madhatchetman - 09 Nov 2007 17:21 GMT
damp squid...
Ian Rawlings - 09 Nov 2007 18:26 GMT
> damp squid...

Is there any other kind?  It's a "damp squib", or if you were cracking
a pun, "ha ha" :-P

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Cheshire Steve - 09 Nov 2007 22:05 GMT
> > damp squid...
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> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

Or is that a damp squid you are thinking of ?

Steve
Cheshire Steve - 09 Nov 2007 22:06 GMT
> > damp squid...
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> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
Cheshire Steve - 09 Nov 2007 22:20 GMT
> > > damp squid...
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Round and round we go - so best add some content.

Many years ago down in Faversham Kent (maybe 1990 ish) I remember a
Northerly wind and 'spring' tides. I had been out at the Shipwrights
Arms way out on the mashes and diverted on the way home to watch the
tide (about midnight). It came up the creek between the sea walls
where all the boats normally in mud berths are tied up to wooden
stagings driven into the creek. The tide just kept coming - the boats,
floating, were above the stagings and according to the lengths of rope
and the size of the boat were either in distress or mightily trying to
rip the stagings out of the creek bed, and the sea crossed the normal
walkways and came right to the top of the sea wall either side of the
creek. In the odd place where the wall was an inch or so low it came
over, and in other places it was that little bit higher.

If the water had come up another few inches the amount that would have
come over would have been staggering. The supply is undending, this is
not waves splashing, but big volumes pouring over. It was a truly awe
inspiring moment to see the sea just keep rising, and realise that the
tiny bit that poured over wouldn't affect the level at all - it would
just keep coming.

I suppose that is what happened in New Orleans, and one day when the
weather and the tides get the timing right, then it will happen again
here. I think the boys in the estuary suspect that the sea walls are
set so that the Kent and Essex mashes will take the worst out of it
before it heads up the Thames. Who can tell.

Steve
Richard - 10 Nov 2007 10:16 GMT
>> > > damp squid...
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> Steve

The estimate for Suffolk is the sea level ended up about 20cms from causing
a major disaster. I am not sure if that is a big safety margin or not
........ doesn't sound much to me. I wonder if the improvements that have
been added to sea defences since '53 had a major impact on 'saving the day'.

Richard
Lee_D - 10 Nov 2007 17:21 GMT
Richard <richctemail-sexynewsgroups@yahooknickers.co.uk> uttered summat
worrerz funny about:

>>>>> damp squid...
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> major impact on 'saving the day'.
> Richard

I think all the right things were done tbh for all the right reasons. In
contrast to our american friends experience a short while back. Either way
they were dammed pretty much as if it had of gone fill tilt there would be a
load of peeps no doubt saying enough wasn't done. I'd guess that for the
next 15 to 20 years there are enough peeps living to remember the imact of
the last floods there, the danger comes when they have all passed on and
peeps look at future events as crying wolf.

Lee D
Dave Liquorice - 10 Nov 2007 22:44 GMT
>> The estimate for Suffolk is the sea level ended up about 20cms from
>> causing a major disaster. I am not sure if that is a big safety
>> margin or not ........

Wot's that in English? ... 7 3/4" As these things go I thinks quite a bit,
yes you'll get waves sloshing over the top but even quite a number large
waves comeing over anre not going to transport anything like the amount of
water that being just 1/2" over the top will.

> I think all the right things were done tbh for all the right reasons. In
> contrast to our american friends experience a short while back. Either
> way they were dammed pretty much as if it had of gone fill tilt there
> would be a load of peeps no doubt saying enough wasn't done.

Agreed. The authorities are caught between a rock and hard place. The
prospect of a large tidal surge was forecast way back on Sunday. It didn't
appear in the mass hsyteria, sorry media, until the day before the time of
arrival. With the forecast indicating that the defences might be over
whelmed the authorities has no choice but to evacuate those likley to be
flooded should the defenses be over topped or, much, much, worse fail.

Of course the media were peed off as the story didn't turn out, luckly, to
be a disaster.

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Adrian Simpson - 11 Nov 2007 11:52 GMT
>>> The estimate for Suffolk is the sea level ended up about 20cms from
>>> causing a major disaster. I am not sure if that is a big safety
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>waves comeing over anre not going to transport anything like the amount of
>water that being just 1/2" over the top will.

It's all down to the timing.  The surge moved down the North Sea a bit
slower than expected, so by the time that it arrived the tidal levels
were already dropping, had it coincided with high water (or the air
pressure been lower) it could have been rather messier than it was.

Adrian
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Cheshire Steve - 12 Nov 2007 20:36 GMT
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Yup, I reckon you are dead right - the timing was a little out and
saved the day. As far as I can see all the actions taken were correct
and appropriate. Sadly the timing wasn't out for the BBC, if only
there had been a feud on Big Brother, or maybe a footballer had hurt
his foot, or a celebrity divorce, or infedility in the government -
but with no juicy gossip they decided to try and escalate it into a
major panic - and they didn't even make a good job of that. I was
surprised when they read out an e-mail from a woman having trouble to
get through to the flood hotline - from Bolton ! Now THAT would be a
high tide - or is there another Bolton on the East Coast that I have
never come across ? In which case apologies (again).

Steve
Adrian Simpson - 12 Nov 2007 21:05 GMT
>> It's all down to the timing.  The surge moved down the North Sea a bit
>> slower than expected, so by the time that it arrived the tidal levels
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>high tide - or is there another Bolton on the East Coast that I have
>never come across ? In which case apologies (again).

There are a couple near the East coast, one to east of Edinburgh and one
near Alnwick, but both are far enough inland to have kept their feet dry
even with the sort of surge forecast last week.

Adrian
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hugh - 10 Nov 2007 21:20 GMT
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Hmm, in that case we should build houses on them then we would
definitely have a flood to report.
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madhatchetman - 09 Nov 2007 22:40 GMT
> > damp squid...
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yes, it was weak
Ian Rawlings - 09 Nov 2007 22:48 GMT
>>> damp squid...
>>
>> Is there any other kind?  It's a "damp squib", or if you were cracking
>> a pun, "ha ha" :-P
>
> yes, it was weak

Probably all that swimming.

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