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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / November 2007

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Alarm Problem - not spider

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mike whiskey - 17 Nov 2007 22:15 GMT
Well I'm at a loss now.

I had experienced the odd refusal to start, which was cured by turning
off, and then arming and disarming the alarm, and was thinking that I
would soon be needing to replace the spider.

So I was not surprised when the truck just refused to open, or close
on the plip and the immobilser was stuck on.

Having ripped apart the dash, and fitted one of those natty bypass
plugs, I was disappointed to still get no response.

The EKA code worked, but then there was a clicking sond from the
passenger footwell. Now the Alarm sounds, or pings, or dies, and the
central locking and other electrics appear completely dead.

All fuses are still in tact. Every so often the clicking will stop and
I'll have power, or i wont.

The clicking is coming from a slim green box which I assume is the
alarm module.

Do I need a new one, and if so will I need a main stealer to re-
programme the whole thing for me?

Bloody cars!

MW
Derek - 18 Nov 2007 00:26 GMT
> Well I'm at a loss now.
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> MW

Possibly one of our regular netizens may have an answer but I would need to
know what particular vehicle you were refering to before I started probing
RAVE.
Derek
mike whiskey - 18 Nov 2007 01:24 GMT
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Sorry, talk about overlook the obvious.

Its a 97 discovery v8i.
TonyB - 18 Nov 2007 15:10 GMT
>> > Well I'm at a loss now.
>>
>> > I had experienced the odd refusal to start, which was cured by turning
>> > off, and then arming and disarming the alarm, and was thinking that I
>> > would soon be needing to replace the spider.

Starting with the obvious - battery's OK in the Plip?
TonyB
mike whiskey - 18 Nov 2007 20:48 GMT
> >> "mike whiskey" <mark.william...@djinter.net> wrote in message
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> Starting with the obvious - battery's OK in the Plip?
> TonyB

Both plips were working fine until this happened.   If just one had
gone then I would suspect the battery, but withthe alarm not
responding to either, plus the odd clicking, and chirping from the
alarm, lead me to think thecaris the problem.

MW
mike whiskey - 19 Nov 2007 21:38 GMT
> > "mike whiskey" <mark.william...@djinter.net> wrote in message
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Well, it gets stranger.   I removed the alarm module, cleaned up the
contacts and put it all back together, along with the spider bypass.
Used the EKA, and re synched the plips and all is well.

Till tonight, when It died completely.   Totally electrically dead.
No interior light, headlights anything electrical at all.

After a few minutes of head scratching inoticed that the alarm light
was blinking, opened the door, and the clicking was back, along with
the LED blinking very quickly.

No start or any other electrics still.

I tried disconnecting the battery, and as i disconnected it there was
a very small spark, as if something was alive.   I reconnected the
battery, and everything was live.   input the EKA, resynched the plip
and all was back to normal.

Is there some sort of cut off solenoid that can completely isolate the
car?   what might be triggering it?

MW
Dave Liquorice - 19 Nov 2007 22:29 GMT
> Is there some sort of cut off solenoid that can completely isolate the
> car?   what might be triggering it?

Cars do have a interia switch, essentially to cut the fuel pump(s) in the
event of  crash. With all the electronics is cars these days I expect that
the signal from an interia switch goes through one somewhere rather than
simply being the in fuel pump power line.

It's a straw, you may as well clutch it.

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mike whiskey - 20 Nov 2007 22:35 GMT
> > Is there some sort of cut off solenoid that can completely isolate the
> > car?   what might be triggering it?
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I found the inertia switch, and pressed the rest.   It made a click,
that was not repeated when i pressed it again.
Is it possible that it was partially tripped?

It has behaved impeccably today, and has had quite a few stops and
starts, so fingers crossed!

MW
Dave Liquorice - 20 Nov 2007 23:32 GMT
> I found the inertia switch, and pressed the rest.   It made a click,
> that was not repeated when i pressed it again. Is it possible that it
> was partially tripped?
>
> It has behaved impeccably today, and has had quite a few stops and
> starts, so fingers crossed!

A possibilty, a click then nothing sort of indicates it wasn't "happy".
Have have you hit anything a bit hard recently, may be a pothole or big
kerb if not a tree? Is the interia switch vulnerable to being kicked?

Damn good straw if the problem really has gone away, let us know.

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Austin Shackles - 21 Nov 2007 07:43 GMT
>> > Is there some sort of cut off solenoid that can completely isolate the
>> > car?   what might be triggering it?
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>that was not repeated when i pressed it again.
>Is it possible that it was partially tripped?

I know someone who tripped one of those by landing on the far side of a
hump-backed bridge.  
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Paul - xxx - 21 Nov 2007 09:26 GMT
> > > Is there some sort of cut off solenoid that can completely
> > > isolate the car?   what might be triggering it?
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> It has behaved impeccably today, and has had quite a few stops and
> starts, so fingers crossed!

Which Landrover is it?   and where is the inertia switch located for
it?

Just out of interest so it can be eliminated from other peoples
electrical gremlins ... ;)

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mike whiskey - 21 Nov 2007 10:34 GMT
> > > > Is there some sort of cut off solenoid that can completely
> > > > isolate the car?   what might be triggering it?
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96 Discovery, behind the Washer bottle in the engine bay.

Not aware of hitting anything hard since a speed bump on the test
drive. (too busy chatting and listening to notice the unmarked bump.
Owner was unpeturbed, and car didn't seem worried at the time.

perhaps it was unseated, and slowly working it's way free?

perhaps it's jsut the gremlins out to get me!

MW
Paul - xxx - 21 Nov 2007 11:13 GMT
> > > > > Is there some sort of cut off solenoid that can completely
> > > > > isolate the car?   what might be triggering it?
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> perhaps it's jsut the gremlins out to get me!

Lol, sounds like it couldn't have been tripped, or as you say not
tripped fully ... mine has hit lots more than speed bumps, including a
three foot drop onto rocks which bent the towbar mounting plate, and
straight into a tree [1] at about 15mph, and it's never happened to it
... so far ... ;)

But thanks, I'll have a looksee on mine 'just so I know' ... ;)

[1] Not, I hasten to add, with me driving it.  Indeed the only casualty
was the tree and my son who _was_ driving it, though his injuries were
not inflicted in the <cough> accident ... ;)

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