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> A few years ago, people would have been barricading petrol stations and
> motorways before now. Yet, the public are happy to sit idly by these days.
That was just the truckers and they were trying to negotiate
reductions in their *own* fuel, never mind everyone else. We just had
to sit in traffic queues for hours. Try the french system, where
public transport is on strike and strikers have been lighting fires on
railway tracks to stop trains from running at all.
It seems the truckers aren't bothered this time. Perhaps they got
their reductions elsewhere?
> Same with ID cards and all manner of other stuff this government is doing!
There have been a few large-scale marches, e.g. banning hunting and
the war marches.
> Must be the fluoride in the water or the aspartame in the drinks....
Or you're wringing your hands a little too hard ;-)
As for petrol prices, I was listening to an australian radio show
recently and it was noted that no country has gotten the message about
global warming and resource usage in general quite as well as the UK,
and they were talking about the population, not just the government.
Perhaps we're not quite so pissed off about fuel prices this time, or
perhaps we've twigged that 10p on the price of fuel only adds about £6
to a tank and that doesn't make much difference unless you're going
through masses of the stuff. A tank a week would only cost another
£24 or so per month which to most of the population isn't much to get
het up about especially as we are apparently amongst the most
concerned about climate change etc. Chances are though I think it's
just that the truckers aren't having so much hassle this time around
and they were the ones hit the hardest.
Anyhow, when are your flying saucer buddies going to give us planetary
drive engines? ;-)

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Dave Liquorice - 25 Nov 2007 12:41 GMT
> It seems the truckers aren't bothered this time. Perhaps they got
> their reductions elsewhere?
Or they are well aware that the government wouldn't allow them or anyone
else to hold the country to ransome again. IIRC there were some new laws
brought in after the fuel protests a few years back...

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Ian Rawlings - 25 Nov 2007 13:43 GMT
> Or they are well aware that the government wouldn't allow them or anyone
> else to hold the country to ransome again. IIRC there were some new laws
> brought in after the fuel protests a few years back...
If that was the case you'd hear them mouthing off in the press or
holding legal protests this time, but nothing, so no it can't be that.

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Elder - 25 Nov 2007 15:31 GMT
> If that was the case you'd hear them mouthing off in the press or
> holding legal protests this time, but nothing, so no it can't be that.
Anything more than 2 people gathering without a permit is an illegal
protest and can have them locked up.
Reckon if 30 truckers wrote to the chief constable/county
council/magistartes/home office (who ever has to sanction protests) and
asked for a permit to block a motorway and blockade a refinery they
would get it?
We do have the right to protest, but only in groups less than 2.

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vertuas - 26 Nov 2007 10:42 GMT
so if you had say 500 seperate protests of two or less people in the same
vacinity.......
>> If that was the case you'd hear them mouthing off in the press or
>> holding legal protests this time, but nothing, so no it can't be that.
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> We do have the right to protest, but only in groups less than 2.
cyberwraith - 26 Nov 2007 10:54 GMT
I am a group of less than two.
Ian Rawlings - 26 Nov 2007 19:06 GMT
> I am a group of less than two.
I have more than the average number of legs.

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Rich B - 26 Nov 2007 20:00 GMT
Sucking his keyboard for inspiration, Ian Rawlings typed:
>> I am a group of less than two.
>
> I have more than the average number of legs.
Only statistically, Jake.
:-)

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Ian Rawlings - 28 Nov 2007 21:03 GMT
>> I have more than the average number of legs.
>
> Only statistically, Jake.
Diddle iddle iddle um!

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Ian Rawlings - 26 Nov 2007 19:06 GMT
> so if you had say 500 seperate protests of two or less people in the same
> vacinity.......
Yes, what is the legal minimum distance between people before they
constitute a meeting, we could all march in lockstep 10 feet apart
through the streets of london, millions of single protests ;-)

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Matt M - 25 Nov 2007 14:00 GMT
>> A few years ago, people would have been barricading petrol stations and
>> motorways before now. Yet, the public are happy to sit idly by these days.
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> It seems the truckers aren't bothered this time. Perhaps they got
> their reductions elsewhere?
Those strikes are to do with them still want the right to retire at 50
on 3/4 of their final salary! Difference with this strike is that the
general public aren't backing the strikers so no major disruption
(aside from to commuters!) yet.
We had the fishermen striking and blocking the roads & ports the other
week, but (fortunately) as yet, not the truckers - though I'm sure I
heard on the radio that they were thinking of it.
Matt
Austin Shackles - 25 Nov 2007 15:42 GMT
>A tank a week would only cost another
>£24 or so per month
and that, believe me, you notice, if you're on a fixed price contract.

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Derek - 25 Nov 2007 18:42 GMT
>> A few years ago, people would have been barricading petrol stations and
>> motorways before now. Yet, the public are happy to sit idly by these
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> Anyhow, when are your flying saucer buddies going to give us planetary
> drive engines? ;-)
True enough Ian my company is forking out another £40 (approx) a week to
keep me out on the road I'd rather see that in my pay ( unlikely )
Derek
SteveG - 25 Nov 2007 18:48 GMT
>> A few years ago, people would have been barricading petrol stations and
>> motorways before now. Yet, the public are happy to sit idly by these days.
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> Anyhow, when are your flying saucer buddies going to give us planetary
> drive engines? ;-)
The Road Haulage Association are in the process of asking their members
how much support there'd be for protests. They'll see how the land lies
with the industry before making any public statements.

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Steve Taylor - 25 Nov 2007 23:23 GMT
> As for petrol prices, I was listening to an australian radio show
> recently and it was noted that no country has gotten the message about
> global warming and resource usage in general quite as well as the UK,
> and they were talking about the population, not just the government.
How is whacking up the tax on fuel helping fight global warming exactly
? I don't see the funding being hypothocated into a special research
fund into sequestering technologies, or developing better fuel cells or,
well anything really, except screwing us all.
And then there are the Chinese and Indians, whose CO2 emissions will
utterly dwarf ours in a few years. How will us being concerned about it
matter a toss.
Steve
Derek - 25 Nov 2007 23:29 GMT
>> As for petrol prices, I was listening to an australian radio show
>> recently and it was noted that no country has gotten the message about
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>
> Steve
In much the same way that ID cards will protect us just like they did in New
York on 11th Sept the motherf*ckers had been issued with ID cards US
security was aware they were in the country and they had passports so there
was no doubt as to their identities what a lot of good it did. I realise
that we have a bunch of weasels who will use any excuse to spend our money
on any scheme that will put that money in the pockets of their pals be it
pointless stupid IT exercises or adding more politicians to the gravy
train.!
Derek
Ian Rawlings - 26 Nov 2007 19:05 GMT
> How is whacking up the tax on fuel helping fight global warming exactly
> ?
Well, making it too bloody expensive to buy I'd have thought ;-)
However that's not what I meant, I meant that people in this country
are apparently more prepared to make sacrifices in the name of
environmental concerns than most other of the richest nations.
Doesn't mean we make the right choices of course, e.g. hybrid cars.

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