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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / November 2007

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Austin Shackles - 29 Nov 2007 07:45 GMT
I see Scorpion and others are selling the VDO "diesel" rev counter, I assume
this is fed from the alternator?

Anyone got one, and/or know if it can be calibrated to suit the
application/vehicle?
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EMB - 29 Nov 2007 09:25 GMT
> I see Scorpion and others are selling the VDO "diesel" rev counter, I assume
> this is fed from the alternator?
>
> Anyone got one, and/or know if it can be calibrated to suit the
> application/vehicle?

The VDO altetrnator tachometers I have used in the past have a
calibration screw on the back.  What are you looking to fit it to Austin?
Austin Shackles - 29 Nov 2007 21:45 GMT
>> I see Scorpion and others are selling the VDO "diesel" rev counter, I assume
>> this is fed from the alternator?
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>The VDO altetrnator tachometers I have used in the past have a
>calibration screw on the back.  What are you looking to fit it to Austin?

Ford Di turbo in the LDV.  Provided it's got some sort of asjutment, it
should work OK.  Some applications do indeed have a rev counter driven off
the alternator.  The transit had a rev counter, the LDV doesn't, and I wish
it did...
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EMB - 30 Nov 2007 03:58 GMT
> Ford Di turbo in the LDV.  Provided it's got some sort of asjutment, it
> should work OK.  Some applications do indeed have a rev counter driven off
> the alternator.  The transit had a rev counter, the LDV doesn't, and I wish
> it did...
There may well be a tach pulse wire on the injector pump.  I'll have a
dig through my documentation and see if I can find any reference to one.
Austin Shackles - 30 Nov 2007 07:38 GMT
>> Ford Di turbo in the LDV.  Provided it's got some sort of asjutment, it
>> should work OK.  Some applications do indeed have a rev counter driven off
>> the alternator.  The transit had a rev counter, the LDV doesn't, and I wish
>> it did...
>There may well be a tach pulse wire on the injector pump.  I'll have a
>dig through my documentation and see if I can find any reference to one.

There are a silly number of wires going to it... it's an EPIC controlled
electronic one.

meanwhile, the previous bus went to a new owner... Said owner, unsatisfied
with just the one main ignition key and the worn ignition lock, took it to
the Ford dealer (the master key is long-since disappeared) to have a new
lock fitted and new keys programmed.

It's still there.  This is a week or more ago.  Apparently, they can't get
it to work again.  They even replaced the PATS (passive immobiliser) ECU,
and they still can't get it to accept any keys.  Personally, I reckon they
screwed up somewhere along the line and now can't recover it, although it
beggars belief that their computer gear has no option to wipe everything and
start from scratch.  Basically PATS has to recognise the EPIC engine ECU and
the key in use and agree to allow the engine to operate.  

The essence of this though, is that it was working with the old, worn-out
lock/key combo quite happily when taken in there.  According to me, it's now
their problem to make it work again.

Anyone know the legal implications of this?  If I take a vehicle to have a
new ignition lock fitted, I don't expect them to kill it... and if they do,
I expect them to make it go again (at their expense) and or compensate me
for the loss of the vehicle if it's really dead...

I've now got to phone the dealer, and suggest the ways *I* can think of to
revive it without the immobiliser (and on a 12-year-old vehicle, the
immobiliser is less relevant).
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EMB - 30 Nov 2007 08:54 GMT
> There are a silly number of wires going to it... it's an EPIC controlled
> electronic one.

Tacho output is from the ECU - and my diagram gives no indication of
what sort of signal it puts out.  I guess your easiest solution will
indeed be a tachometer running from the alternator.

> meanwhile, the previous bus went to a new owner... Said owner, unsatisfied
> with just the one main ignition key and the worn ignition lock, took it to
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> lock/key combo quite happily when taken in there.  According to me, it's now
> their problem to make it work again.

Agreed.

> Anyone know the legal implications of this?  If I take a vehicle to have a
> new ignition lock fitted, I don't expect them to kill it... and if they do,
> I expect them to make it go again (at their expense) and or compensate me
> for the loss of the vehicle if it's really dead...

It certainly smells of lack of due care to me.
Austin Shackles - 30 Nov 2007 10:28 GMT
>> The essence of this though, is that it was working with the old, worn-out
>> lock/key combo quite happily when taken in there.  According to me, it's now
>> their problem to make it work again.
>
>Agreed.

Spoke to them (nicely) this morning, at the behest of the current owner,
who's a good friend of mine.  The bloke there doesn't know why the ECU won't
accept new keys, but it won't.  He doesn't sound a happy bunny...

According to me, they should be able to fit a 1992-1995 period engine ECU
and that will work without the immobiliser signal, since they didn't start
fitting immobilisers 'til the model change in 1995.  Failing that, a
mechanical pump from a pre-92 engine would also work.

Garage bloke can't get (a new) one, though, and isn't bothered to look for a
s/h part.

>> Anyone know the legal implications of this?  If I take a vehicle to have a
>> new ignition lock fitted, I don't expect them to kill it... and if they do,
>> I expect them to make it go again (at their expense) and or compensate me
>> for the loss of the vehicle if it's really dead...
>
>It certainly smells of lack of due care to me.

we'll leave legal threats til later, in the meantime, I've fired off some
requests to the dismantlers network for parts.
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