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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / December 2007New Rumour on Series LR
According to my neighbour who's in to classic cars, report in one of their mags that LR are planning to do a special production run of 100 series style LRs. Any truth in it??  Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting > According to my neighbour who's in to classic cars, report in one of their > mags that LR are planning to do a special production run of 100 series > style LRs. > > Any truth in it?? Ah, sort of. It's not Series but Defenders: http://motortorque.askaprice.com/news/auto-0711/land-rover-launches-limited-edit ion-defender-svx.asp TonyB TonyB <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> According to my neighbour who's in to classic cars, report in one of >> their mags that LR are planning to do a special production run of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > TonyB Yuk! Looks like a poorly copied kids toy... I'll bet if you roll it over it's got leaf springs underneath , much the same as a Classic RR model I have. I guess it may grow on me but it's going to take a while - The last concept 90 I saw looked much better and wasn't impossible to recreate. Lee D > TonyB <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >>> According to my neighbour who's in to classic cars, report in one of [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Lee D I saw the article in the comics and a clip of the prototype being 'tested' total P.O.S. the tyres were far too big for the arches so the bugger was more or less impossible to turn round and looking at that photo it appears to be the same car- sad bugger I can't find the clip this is not it but interesting http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IxThdTdjucg the other LR concept ! Derek Well unless it really does have leaf springs, about the only thing it has in common with my series landie is the green oval. SignatureLarry Series 3 Rust and Holes > TonyB <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Lee D Larry <oz@ym.andius> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > Well unless it really does have leaf springs, about the only thing it > has in common with my series landie is the green oval. Hey Larry! Are you making the pilgrimage to Wales this year? Looks like it may be warmer than some of the past visits. Lee D >TonyB <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >>> According to my neighbour who's in to classic cars, report in one of [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >I guess it may grow on me but it's going to take a while - The last concept >90 I saw looked much better and wasn't impossible to recreate. "unveiled for the first time by Zara Phillips" I'd rather just unveil Zara Phillips... SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > I'd rather just unveil Zara Phillips... Did that crimbo wish come true then? Merry Christmas Austin. EMB typed: >> I'd rather just unveil Zara Phillips... > > Did that crimbo wish come true then? > > Merry Christmas Austin. I see we are all up early on AFL then. Morning, chaps, and compliments of the whatsit. What did we all get in our stockings, then? I'm starting "Horse's Arse" in about 5 minutes, as soon as I've had my shower. SignatureRich B Ducati GT1000 Take out the obvious to email me. > What did we all get in our stockings, then? http://www.tyres4u.co.nz/t4utyreselector/4wd_Fitment_ID-22744_show.aspx I've spent the afternoon fitting them :-) EMB typed: >> What did we all get in our stockings, then? > > http://www.tyres4u.co.nz/t4utyreselector/4wd_Fitment_ID-22744_show.aspx > > I've spent the afternoon fitting them :-) Well chunky! I was going to compliment you on your early rising, managing to fit a set of tyres before I had even had breakfast, then I remembered where you were. SignatureRich B Ducati GT1000 Take out the obvious to email me. > I was going to compliment you on your early rising, managing to fit a > set of tyres before I had even had breakfast, then I remembered where > you were. Yeah - 30 minutes until boxing day starts. I'm sat here, glass of Laguvalin in hand waiting for family in the UK to call then it's bedtime. >> I was going to compliment you on your early rising, managing to fit a >> set of tyres before I had even had breakfast, then I remembered where >> you were. > >Yeah - 30 minutes until boxing day starts. I'm sat here, glass of >Laguvalin in hand waiting for family in the UK to call then it's bedtime. mmmm, Lagavulin, good choice. I've got a bottle of tesco's "12-year-old single malt", which someone gave us, and a bottle of Bushmills malt which I bought. Also got a bottle of Pusser's Rum, which is nicely potent. Been sampling Danzy Jones's whisky liquer, this evening, though. rather nice if a bit sweet. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > EMB typed: >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I'm starting "Horse's Arse" in about 5 minutes, as soon as I've had my > shower. The foreskin bit has me in stitches mate, it's f.cking funny. SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Ducati 916 BMW K1100LT MT-03 Focus ST3 Land Rover Discovery Xtreme Range Rover 4.6 HSE NIGE#1 Nige typed: >> EMB typed: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > The foreskin bit has me in stitches mate, it's f.cking funny. Ssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Do you sit in the cinema telling everyone the plot as well? I'm looking forward to it. I finished Jupiter's Travels for the nth time last week, and I've been recycling old Bill Brysons since then. It'll be nice to have something fresh to read. Plus I still find knob gags funny. SignatureRich B Ducati GT1000 Take out the obvious to email me. > Nige typed: >>> EMB typed: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > be nice to have something fresh to read. Plus I still find > knob gags funny. I aint given owt away matey, you'll piss yer pants. SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Ducati 916 BMW K1100LT MT-03 Focus ST3 Land Rover Discovery Xtreme Range Rover 4.6 HSE NIGE#1 >> According to my neighbour who's in to classic cars, report in one of their >> mags that LR are planning to do a special production run of 100 series [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >http://motortorque.askaprice.com/news/auto-0711/land-rover-launches-limited-edit ion-defender-svx.asp Kinda ironic really that LR are celebrating 60 years by being sold to an indian company. And thier Aniversary model is a basically standard defender with some extra shiny bits, powered by an engine that isn't anything to do with Landrover. Alex Yeh LR seem to be Moving away from there Origins & trying to keep up with the Jones's It Took them a Long time to catch on & make the disco 3 Commercial >>> According to my neighbour who's in to classic cars, report in one of >>> their [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Alex skinty <h@ic24.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > Yeh LR seem to be Moving away from there Origins & > trying to keep up with the Jones's > > It Took them a Long time to catch on & make the disco 3 > Commercial Oh come on! How many Romans do you see wandering around on charriots! Yes they worked and were basic, easy to fix but they were still Chariots at the end of the day. I guess Landrover would like people to invest in a vehicle before turning it into a commercial. If your money were invested in Landrover would you want them being all nostalgic or earning you the biggest bang for your buck? Don't get me wrong, I love the series, and Defender but they (latter) are on borrowed time, lets be real. Lee D >skinty <h@ic24.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> Yeh LR seem to be Moving away from there Origins & [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Don't get me wrong, I love the series, and Defender but they (latter) are on >borrowed time, lets be real. Mm, but you only have to look at the Santana PS-10 to see what can be done with a series based design, resulting in a vehicle that is better than the current defender in so many ways. LR's problem with the Defender started in the 80's when Leyland refused to invest doing any serious updating, which is why the Defender is still stuck in the stone ages by comparison with a lot of 4x4 vehicles. I mean, the Santana might have (parablioc) leaf springs, but at least the roof is made of one piece GRP and doesn't leak. Alex Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > Mm, but you only have to look at the Santana PS-10 to see what can be > done with a series based design, resulting in a vehicle that is better [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Alex I would have been around 8 when we had a Landie with a GRP roof. No idea where it came from but the Landie was an ex-military IIa SWB. The ideal I guess would be for Santana to buy the rights to Defender and then bun in their engine along with their body on the coil sprung chassis. Lee D >I would have been around 8 when we had a Landie with a GRP roof. No idea >where it came from but the Landie was an ex-military IIa SWB. > >The ideal I guess would be for Santana to buy the rights to Defender and >then bun in their engine along with their body on the coil sprung chassis. "their" engine is an Iveco... They had the chance to go coil-sprung when LR did in the 80s, and decided that it was too expensive to rebuild the factory, instead they went off into what was effectively a series IIIa, which became the PS10. What would be better would be for LR to buy the body from Santana... and fit a decent engine. Although the 2.4 ford ought to be more reliable by now, if it's not, then Ford have been unusually lax. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > "their" engine is an Iveco... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > better would be for LR to buy the body from Santana... and fit a decent > engine. Leave the Iveco in there - it's a bloody good engine. >> "their" engine is an Iveco... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Leave the Iveco in there - it's a bloody good engine. It's a far better engine than the Td5 ever was. Alex >> "their" engine is an Iveco... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Leave the Iveco in there - it's a bloody good engine. I agree, and I reckon it's better than the duratorq. However, LR don't fit it. I was advocating LR's 110 chassis with santana's one-piece body with the wider doors etc, and a decent engine, possibly the Iveco. The 110 chassis and suspension is pretty damned good. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > Oh come on! How many Romans do you see wandering around on charriots! Yes > they worked and were basic, easy to fix but they were still Chariots at the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Don't get me wrong, I love the series, and Defender but they (latter) are on > borrowed time, lets be real. But half their selling tactics and much of their reputation are built on what they have done historically with the series and defender. Watch the news on TV and see some war somewhere or watch something about africa and you will see a landrover (series or defender). In 5/10 years time when the military are all using something else and people doing safaris and the like are buying other makes landrover are going to loose a lot of their public exposure and you are going to see a lot less land rovers on TV. Instead of people seeing landrovers as something which would also be at home driving round a desert or through a jungle they are just going to see them as something that can drive up the kerb to drop the kids off. Landrover don't seem to care about this and just want to make luxury vehicles. I just cant see how they can do nothing to compete with the other 'utility' 4x4s which seem to be replacing the defenders. They may make more money with the new posher stuff but it doesnt exactly promote brand loyalty and the image in the long term - which I always thought had quite a lot of 'value'. They are just becoming a 'normal' car manufacturer (though i suppose most brands are getting blander as time goes on) > In 5/10 years time when the military are all using something else The military's needs have diverged strongly from the civilian needs in recent years, even the pinzgauer is finding it harder to find roles now despite only recently (ish) having been taken on. Basically landmines and other explosive devices have meant that civvy-based vehicles can't really cut it any more. > Instead of people seeing landrovers as something which would also be > at home driving round a desert or through a jungle they are just > going to see them as something that can drive up the kerb to drop > the kids off. As long as they keep the Defender around then I'm not so sure, around here, the Defender is by far the most common vehicle and I've seen a fair few new ones with the bonnet bulge. The lifestyle pickups have taken some of the market for sure but they're not really the same vehicle, they're more pickup and less off-road. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> In 5/10 years time when the military are all using something else > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > landmines and other explosive devices have meant that civvy-based > vehicles can't really cut it any more. interesting. Surely there is still significant need for soft skinned transportation though?. >> Instead of people seeing landrovers as something which would also be >> at home driving round a desert or through a jungle they are just [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > taken some of the market for sure but they're not really the same > vehicle, they're more pickup and less off-road. Are they really going to keep the defender round for long? Here, I have never ever seen a new defender. There are a couple of old 90's, A few old discos, then some tata's and lots of shoguns and hiluxes and that kinda stuff. > interesting. Surely there is still significant need for soft skinned > transportation though?. Looking at the military mags (I get Military Machines regularly for the fap value) there's precious little in there that's not built to at least take landmine hits. The show reports do still list Defender variants from various companies. > Are they really going to keep the defender round for long? No idea, I hope so, I suppose there's less need for a capable off-roader in the commercial markets these days. > Here, I have never ever seen a new defender. There are a couple of old > 90's, A few old discos, then some tata's and lots of shoguns and hiluxes > and that kinda stuff. Out here in Dorset, I usually spot at least 5 or so Defenders on a half-hour trip on local roads. Different areas have different strongholds it seems, presumably dealer support and terrain, although I've not come across many landy dealers or independents in my area! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >Out here in Dorset, I usually spot at least 5 or so Defenders on a >half-hour trip on local roads. Different areas have different >strongholds it seems, presumably dealer support and terrain, although >I've not come across many landy dealers or independents in my area! round here, there are a lot of double cab pickups from the land of the rising sun, but there are a goodly number of landies as well, mostly 90s, discos and the odd rangie. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > round here, there are a lot of double cab pickups from the land of the > rising sun, but there are a goodly number of landies as well, mostly 90s, > discos and the odd rangie. I have to say I've seen a number of double-cab 110s recently, and they are rapidly becoming an object of lust so I think I may have to get one when mine gives up the ghost. Shame mine's so healthy! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >> round here, there are a lot of double cab pickups from the land of the >> rising sun, but there are a goodly number of landies as well, mostly 90s, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >are rapidly becoming an object of lust so I think I may have to get >one when mine gives up the ghost. Shame mine's so healthy! It's a great pity that LR didn't make that sooner - would've been a piece of piss for them to do, the way the LR body is put together. That should've been a model in the line-up from early in the 110 days. As it is, they missed the boat, and allowed Isuzu, Mitsubishi etc. to dominate the market. Then they could without much more effort have offered a 130 double-cab pickup, with a bigger pickup capacity, as an option. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >skinty <h@ic24.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> Yeh LR seem to be Moving away from there Origins & [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Lee D I'm inclined to agree with you Lee. Let's face it the basic design has been around for sixty years. Can't think of any other vehicle on the road that comes even close to that. But compared to what's now available it really has come to the end of the line. Any manufacturer has to continually look to new sales, not the spares market for old models. If Ford had retained ownership I'm sure the Defender would go in favour of the Ranger. Let's face it they manage to cope in the US without Defenders. LR showrooms are all geared to RRs, Discos and Freelanders, serviced under warranty for three years and then they are not interested. They're happy to pass the vehicles on to the independent/enthusiasts market. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >>skinty <h@ic24.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >>> Yeh LR seem to be Moving away from there Origins & [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > warranty for three years and then they are not interested. They're happy > to pass the vehicles on to the independent/enthusiasts market. er VW Beetle 1938 until 2003 -65 yrs but even the miesters had to think again after all that time, LR did sell Defenders briefly in the US I think it was collision regs that did for them in the end. I did suggest a while back that Ford would look very critically at their basket of models there is a hell of a lot of duplication within the range but the managers seem unwilling to rationalise, a part must be brand loyalty.That is dying the death in the US because of years of producing expensive poorly assembled poor fuel mileage cars the best selling passenger cars (saloon ) in the US are Toyota Camry followed by Honda Accord ,Toyota Corolla,Honda Civic,Chevrolet Impala that must hurt Ford badly the top selling suv is japanese the Honda CR-V outselling the Explorer 3 to 2 how long before Ford build Land Rovers in the US? Dere >>>skinty <h@ic24.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >>>> Yeh LR seem to be Moving away from there Origins & [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >a hell of a lot of duplication within the range but the managers seem >unwilling to rationalise, a part must be brand loyalty. Exactly the same mistake as BMC in the 60s which resulted in LR being starved of investment while all the money was wasted on Triumph/Rover/Morris/Austin/Riley/Wolsely models. >That is dying the >death in the US because of years of producing expensive poorly assembled [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Dere Hypothetical question - they're going to be built in India!! Ta ta Solihull :( Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting Well what I like about classic series landies is that they do not compromise for design. Everything 4WD since the 80's has curves and design and all sorts of crap you will weep over if it gets dented out of shape or corrodes, but an old landie only grows with it's battle scars and mine has plenty. I think the aesthetic of my landie is far superior to any designer crap. My landie is totally individual, quite like no other and that is the way it should be, can you do that with anything from the 80's onwards. It maybe true that the recent Defenders and Dicos with there gizmatronics and coil springs might get to the summit of Ben Nevis before I could (though a Tin Lizzie would put us all to shame) but there is durability to be considered and for all the faults of old age if I had all the money in the world I would not spend it on a new Defender. Notwithstanding I would not mind a decent heater and power steering, but that is as far as I would go. SignatureLarry Series 3 Rust and Holes >>skinty <h@ic24.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about: > I'm inclined to agree with you Lee. Let's face it the basic design has [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > warranty for three years and then they are not interested. They're happy > to pass the vehicles on to the independent/enthusiasts market. > I think the aesthetic of my landie is far superior to any designer crap. My > landie is totally individual, quite like no other and that is the way it > should be, can you do that with anything from the 80's onwards. Well, I'd put a 300TDi defender into that category, mine was a hard top with no gizmos at all, no ECU, no nothing, most complicated electronics on it is the clock, and I had to fit that myself. It starts on the button in the freezing cold, far better than my modern Audi, only the pinzgauer starts as well in the cold but while the pinz starts on the button no matter what the weather, unlike my 300TDi Defender it runs like a dog for the first 15 mins, with much choke fiddling. The Defender just starts and drives, no drama at all, ever. I don't think I'd say the same about a modern Defender, but the traction control I reckon would be a real boon, I'd be tempted to go for hydraulic diff locks though for simplicity and reliability over electronics or even pneumatic ones. Not sure if hydraulics are more reliable than pneumatics but they'd seem that way, and no compressor involved. I've been out with a few series trucks laning, and have seen them getting their springs caught from time to time, not seen any bent ones but have been told it happens. The springs are in just the right place to catch on the rut edges. I'd not entirely trust the engines either, getting older carburetted engines to run in extreme weather can be a PITA. Having said that, I went on a steep but mostly flat rock-surface climb recently with an old series 3 SWB on ropey tyres, my pinz, and a well-equipped D90, the SWB shot up it without pause, I ground to a halt halfway up in 6 wheel drive mode and had to engage the rear diff locks, and the D90 was spinning its fat tyres like mad and almost started going backwards! The SWB did fail on a rutted mud run earlier though, springs hit the ground. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! >The Defender just starts and drives, no drama at all, ever. was looking at the spare-parts-car end of ebay hunting TDi options for bor-in-law, who's after a new farm truck. someone made a point of saying that his TDi were a "first time starter", the only TDis I've ever met that weren't either had a flat battery or were f.cked. They're all first-time starters, if they're in anything like decent condition. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >> The Defender just starts and drives, no drama at all, ever. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > weren't either had a flat battery or were f.cked. They're all first-time > starters, if they're in anything like decent condition. Mine was until I started using rapeseed oil 50/50 mixed with derv. now it cranks over for about 2 seconds before it starts. Before it was instant. >> They're all first-time starters, if they're in anything like decent >> condition. > > Mine was until I started using rapeseed oil 50/50 mixed with derv. now > it cranks over for about 2 seconds before it starts. Still "first time" though... SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail > Mine was until I started using rapeseed oil 50/50 mixed with derv. now > it cranks over for about 2 seconds before it starts. Before it was instant. That's still pretty good, my audi cranks for that long in the cold on proper fuel with a young battery. Sub-zero temperatures makes my defender go chug chug chug rattle, then it's off, rather than the normal chug chug rattle. The pinz goes chug whine and it's off, but does need some tickling to keep it going at first. The battery in the defender's been in there since I bought it too, that's about 6 years, not bad! No idea how long it had been in there before I got it. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Totally agree but they seem to have go more fashion status > skinty <h@ic24.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> Yeh LR seem to be Moving away from there Origins & [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Lee D |
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