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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / December 2007HID lights on a P38
Anyone know if they will work without upsetting the BeCM?  SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Ducati 916 BMW K1100LT MT-03 Focus ST3 Land Rover Discovery Xtreme Range Rover 4.6 HSE NIGE#1 "Nige" <nigel.inceFECKINJESUS@btinternet.com> Said > Anyone know if they will work without upsetting the BeCM? I had a set on my P38 for a few weeks, you will get a "bulb failure" warning if you use main beam, apart from that I had no problems. > "Nige" <nigel.inceFECKINJESUS@btinternet.com> Said > > > Anyone know if they will work without upsetting the BeCM? > > I had a set on my P38 for a few weeks, you will get a "bulb failure" > warning if you use main beam, apart from that I had no problems. Apparently, if you go for the more expensive twin-filament bulb types as opposed to the cheaper single filament with moving shroud for hi-lo, this gets around that issue. It also means that should one blow, you don't loose hi and lo together on that side. Have a look at hid-direct on google, sorry I can't remember the exact web address. Badger. > Apparently, if you go for the more expensive twin-filament bulb types as > opposed to the cheaper single filament with moving shroud for hi-lo, > this gets around that issue. It also means that should one blow, you > don't loose hi and lo together on that side. Have a look at hid-direct > on google, sorry I can't remember the exact web address. Wouldn't you need some form of aux lamps for the headlamp flasher? Signature*If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > > Apparently, if you go for the more expensive twin-filament bulb types as > > opposed to the cheaper single filament with moving shroud for hi-lo, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Wouldn't you need some form of aux lamps for the headlamp flasher? They allegedly arc straight up, allowing the flash function to operate as normal Dave. I'm considering fitting them to my 110 which has 4 spots on the roof and another 4 in a pod on the bonnet - all wired via relays to flash with the high beam, so no probs there even if the HID's don't arc straight up. Badger. > > > Apparently, if you go for the more expensive twin-filament bulb > > > types as opposed to the cheaper single filament with moving shroud [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Wouldn't you need some form of aux lamps for the headlamp flasher? > They allegedly arc straight up, allowing the flash function to operate > as normal Dave. Mine flash brightly when 'struck' then gradually get up to full wick in about a minute. But my experience of this type of lamp in film use is they don't like being switched on and off rapidly - as you might do when flashing. They might possibly protect themselves against damage by shutting down but then you've not got a flasher. > I'm considering fitting them to my 110 which has 4 spots > on the roof and another 4 in a pod on the bonnet - all wired via relays > to flash with the high beam, so no probs there even if the HID's don't > arc straight up. Badger. Yes. I'm well impressed with mine which were bought off ebay a couple of years ago for just over 100 quid including postage - and they've got cheaper since then. I ordered 4300k ones so they didn't look too blue and although the colour rendering is poor (rear number plates look slightly green) they give a decent light for driving - better than the 100w tungsten they replaced. Signature*Eschew obfuscation * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >They allegedly arc straight up, allowing the flash function to operate as >normal Dave. I'm considering fitting them to my 110 which has 4 spots on the >roof and another 4 in a pod on the bonnet - all wired via relays to flash >with the high beam, so no probs there even if the HID's don't arc straight >up. Of course, you know that you're supposed to have headlamp washers and auto-levelling on a UK vehicle for HID to be legal...;-) SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > Anyone know if they will work without upsetting the BeCM? A more useful question might be "will they still work after the first time I give them them a fecking good dunking whilst playing in puddles?" EMB <embtwo@gmail.com> Said >> Anyone know if they will work without upsetting the BeCM? >> > A more useful question might be "will they still work after the first > time I give them them a fecking good dunking whilst playing in puddles?" The ballasts on the set I bought have rubber seals everywhere and the documentation supplied suggests they are water resistant. TBH, if you go that deep in a P38 the headlights will be the least of your worries. __ Andy 1996 P38A 1996 Disco 300tdi 1970 SIIa V8 > Anyone know if they will work without upsetting the BeCM? Does a P38 have the rapid (as in bump following rather than electrically adjustable) self leveling headlights that lamps fitted with HID bubbles should have? SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail >> Anyone know if they will work without upsetting the BeCM? > > Does a P38 have the rapid (as in bump following rather than > electrically adjustable) self leveling headlights that lamps fitted > with HID bubbles should have? P38's have fully auto level susp. SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Ducati 916 BMW K1100LT MT-03 Focus ST3 Land Rover Discovery Xtreme Range Rover 4.6 HSE NIGE#1 People Hi, Proper HID kits are very effectively protected from water or humidity. As for how sensitive they are to a bumpy ride it is enough to say that they have no filement and therefore the light emiting elements quite simply are immune to vibration. This does NOT apply of course to the moving focusing center type of bi-xenon lighting elements ("bulbs"). But the proper twin "bulb" type for H4 hi-low "lamps" should not have a problem. The ballasts are a different story and I guess it mainly has to do with the quality you pay for. Just remember that proper HID lights are self leveling and also come with light cluster cleaning devices (water spraying jets or wash/wipe). Fitting them to a P38 should not create a problem though since the self levelling suspension should (in theory) keep the light pattern where it must be so that it does not blind oncoming traffic from the other direction and wash/wipe was usually fitted from the factory (at least here in Greece) Take care and Happy Holidays Season Pantelis > >> Anyone know if they will work without upsetting the BeCM? > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > NIGE#1 > Fitting them to a P38 should not create a problem though since the self > levelling suspension should (in theory) keep the light pattern where it > must > be so that it does not blind oncoming traffic from the other direction Of course the P38 is well known for the reliability of its suspension. >> Fitting them to a P38 should not create a problem though since the >> self levelling suspension should (in theory) keep the light pattern >> where it must >> be so that it does not blind oncoming traffic from the other >> direction > Of course the P38 is well known for the reliability of its suspension. Not once I have had a problem. The main things with P38's are lack of maintenance due to some fool buying a car they expect to run forever for peanuts. How many BMW's run forever without servicing? FFS, my wifes VW EOS needs a new gearbox at 7000m & the automatic Touareg she had needed a new gearbox every 300 miles. That got binned, very quickly. I have sussed the P38 bugs, they tend to be silly sensor orientated things, once replaced they tend to be fine. Watch this space ;) SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Ducati 916 BMW K1100LT MT-03 Focus ST3 Land Rover Discovery Xtreme Range Rover 4.6 HSE NIGE#1 >>> Fitting them to a P38 should not create a problem though since the >>> self levelling suspension should (in theory) keep the light pattern [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > maintenance due to some fool buying a car they expect to run forever for > peanuts. How many BMW's run forever without servicing? The EAS is well known to be very unreliable, if you haven't had a problem yet, you soon will. Maintenance has nothing to do with it, there are no parts on the EAS that you would expect to change at a service, with the exception of the inlet filter on the compressor perhaps. How many BMW's need recovery to the dealer for a fault reset every time they have a minor electrical niggle? >> Does a P38 have the rapid (as in bump following rather than >> electrically adjustable) self leveling headlights that lamps fitted >> with HID bubbles should have? > > P38's have fully auto level susp. Not the same. I very carefully worded wot I wrote... ie. the headlight units themselves adjust rapidly to the attitude of the vehicle so that the lights don't dazzle oncoming vehicles when you hit a bump. Watch the head lights of a car with HID lights when they switch the ignition on and you'll see the units go through a calibration cycle. I'll admit to not being 100% sure that it would be "illegal" to fit HID bubbles without the appropiate self leveling units, just a heads up. With a lot of things you can buy for cars just because you can buy them doesn't make them legal for road use. SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail > >> Does a P38 have the rapid (as in bump following rather than > >> electrically adjustable) self leveling headlights that lamps fitted > >> with HID bubbles should have? > > > > P38's have fully auto level susp. > Not the same. I very carefully worded wot I wrote... ie. the headlight > units themselves adjust rapidly to the attitude of the vehicle so that > the lights don't dazzle oncoming vehicles when you hit a bump. > Watch the head lights of a car with HID lights when they switch the > ignition on and you'll see the units go through a calibration cycle. > I'll admit to not being 100% sure that it would be "illegal" to fit HID > bubbles without the appropiate self leveling units, just a heads up. > With a lot of things you can buy for cars just because you can buy them > doesn't make them legal for road use. Seems if you have self levelling suspension and headlamp washers aftermarket ones will pass an MOT - provided the beam pattern is ok on the headlamp alignment tester. My SD1 was fine. But it also has later headlamp units not for an SDI. Of course it will depend somewhat on the individual tester as all such things. Signature*Bigamy is having one wife too many - monogamy is the same Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > > >> Does a P38 have the rapid (as in bump following rather than > > >> electrically adjustable) self leveling headlights that lamps fitted [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > With a lot of things you can buy for cars just because you can buy them > > doesn't make them legal for road use. Only illegal insomuch as a violation of type approval for the vehicle and Construction & Use regs. > Seems if you have self levelling suspension and headlamp washers > aftermarket ones will pass an MOT - provided the beam pattern is ok on the > headlamp alignment tester. My SD1 was fine. But it also has later headlamp > units not for an SDI. Of course it will depend somewhat on the individual > tester as all such things. Headlamp wash is not an MOT testable item, so wouldn't be a cause for an MOT fail on a vehicle equipped with HID's. Nor is the auto lamp levelling checked. If the lights work and pass the beam test, then it's a pass. A scrupulous tester may issue a pass and advise if he realises they are HID and don't have wash/levelling. Badger. >>>>> Does a P38 have the rapid (as in bump following rather than >>>>> electrically adjustable) self leveling headlights that lamps [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > realises they are HID and don't have wash/levelling. > Badger. Can you recommend some matey? Took it off roading today, it performed stunning, even had one rear wheel hanging four feet in the air at one point!! ;) SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Ducati 916 BMW K1100LT MT-03 Focus ST3 Land Rover Discovery Xtreme Range Rover 4.6 HSE NIGE#1 >I'll admit to not being 100% sure that it would be "illegal" to fit HID >bubbles without the appropiate self leveling units, as far as I know, yes, it is. That doesn't stop people. there's no good reason for 'em, either. Ordinary 55W halogens are plenty bright as dips, and having anything brighter is in fact counter-productive. Most modern dip lights are brighter than they need to be and cause unnecessary dazzle, making it very hard to see unlit objects. As for main beam, if you haven't got enough light for high-speed motoring, a pair of decent spots makes a lot of sense, rather than making the existing lamps brighter. One mod I do find very worthwhile, and that's arranging for the dip beam to be on at the same time as the main beam. This can be done with one or two relays, depending on the vehicle. All you need is a supply to feed the dip beam, NOT running through the normal light switch, triggered by the main beam. When on main beam, the dip beam fills in the bit fairly close to you, especially when going over crests in the road. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >> I'll admit to not being 100% sure that it would be "illegal" to fit >> HID bubbles without the appropiate self leveling units, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > When on main beam, the dip beam fills in the bit fairly close to you, > especially when going over crests in the road. Bloody hell, have you seen the lioght output of the P38? It's utter sh.t, I'll try a set, if they blind folk, I'll sell 'em. SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Ducati 916 BMW K1100LT MT-03 Focus ST3 Land Rover Discovery Xtreme Range Rover 4.6 HSE NIGE#1 > Bloody hell, have you seen the lioght output of the P38? It's utter > sh.t, I am surprised my DII is excellent and I don't think it has anything other than factory fit halogen bubbles. There again a Range Rover is a townee car for lit and surfaced roads. B-) SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail >Bloody hell, have you seen the lioght output of the P38? It's utter sh.t, >I'll try a set, if they blind folk, I'll sell 'em. It may be worth checking your lights out carefully. The light output of our P38 is excellent, more than adequate for anything it could possibly be used for. Are you sure it's not your eyes ;) >> Bloody hell, have you seen the lioght output of the P38? It's utter >> sh.t, I'll try a set, if they blind folk, I'll sell 'em. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Are you sure it's not your eyes ;) Nope, my eyes are fine. SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Ducati 916 BMW K1100LT MT-03 Focus ST3 Land Rover Discovery Xtreme Range Rover 4.6 HSE NIGE#1 > One mod I do find very worthwhile, and that's arranging for the dip beam to > be on at the same time as the main beam. That can lead to excessive heat buildup and burn the reflective stuff off the inside of the light (yes, the voice of experience). > > One mod I do find very worthwhile, and that's arranging for the dip beam to > > be on at the same time as the main beam. > > That can lead to excessive heat buildup and burn the reflective stuff > off the inside of the light (yes, the voice of experience). And melt the earth connector at the back of the bulb! Badger. >> > One mod I do find very worthwhile, and that's arranging for the dip beam >to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >And melt the earth connector at the back of the bulb! >Badger. got away with it so far, on everything I've done it on. The idea came from a Mk II granny, which had its headlamps wired like that from new. Took me some careful study of the wiring diagram to work out that it wasn't a fault, when I first noticed what it was doing. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >>>>> "Nige" == Nige <nigel.inceFECKINJESUS@btinternet.com> writes: Nige> Anyone know if they will work without upsetting the BeCM? Nige> -- I had a set of dual HIDs on mine which worked with no problem. Andy SignatureAndy Cunningham -- www.cunningham.me.uk [how to overload an annoying server] <self-destruct mode> Post it on Fark.com as an accident at a nude volleyball beach link and use the "Boobies - Not Safe For Work" icon. </self-destruct mode> -- kevingoebel >>>>>> "Nige" == Nige <nigel.inceFECKINJESUS@btinternet.com> writes: > > Nige> Anyone know if they will work without upsetting the BeCM? > Nige> -- > >I had a set of dual HIDs on mine which worked with no problem. were they genuine 2-element ones, or the kind with one HID and one halogen? SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >>>>> "Austin" == Austin Shackles <austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESULTS@ddol-las.net> writes: >> >> I had a set of dual HIDs on mine which worked with no problem. These had one element with a solenoid that moved a reflector, but took the power from whichever input was active, so fooled the BECM. I got them from hids4u... Andy SignatureAndy Cunningham -- www.cunningham.me.uk Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try. -- Peggy Noonan >>>>>> "Austin" == Austin Shackles <austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESULTS@ddol-las.net> writes: > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Andy ah, I was looking for genuine 2-element ones, they seem not to be cheap though. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > >>>>>> "Austin" == Austin Shackles <austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESULTS@ddol-las.net> writes: > > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > >Andy > ah, I was looking for genuine 2-element ones, they seem not to be cheap > though. Are they possible? The light source - ie the discharge area, is rather larger than a filament. Signature*If God dropped acid, would he see people? Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> >>>>>> "Austin" == Austin Shackles <austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESULTS@ddol-las.net> writes: >> > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Are they possible? The light source - ie the discharge area, is rather >larger than a filament. I gather they are made, but not at the sort of price that lets the cheapo-ebay-sellers sell them cheap, especailly as to run both elements you need 4 igniters. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! |
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