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Mark Solesbury - 27 Dec 2007 17:39 GMT
Big thanks to Paul for sorting a route out.

Best lanes ive ever ever ever done :)

Nige managed to get his OSF wheel about 5 foot in the air, and we'd only
been going for 10 mins!

Wicked day out, absolutely bolloxed now. Left at 8.30, got back at 5.30,
and did just shy of 300 miles and didnt really stop much all day! 90 did
not miss a beat.

Well worth it - Thanks Nige and Paul

Stange Edge in the summer then :)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VOoFELEr79w

Thats not us, but we did that one, and it was wicked!

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Nige - 27 Dec 2007 18:08 GMT
> Big thanks to Paul for sorting a route out.
>
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>
> Thats not us, but we did that one, and it was wicked!

It was ace & the P38 is so much better off road than you can imagine. There
is a frig you do to put it into extra height mode too.

Get some AT tyres on it now & away I go, better get the bearing sorted
quick, mind you.

Cheers boys, Girls & all.

The one great thing about the P38, it's as comfy as a Rolls Royce, so no
tiredness ;))

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Paul - xxx - 27 Dec 2007 18:12 GMT
Mark Solesbury wibbled

> Big thanks to Paul for sorting a route out.
>
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>
> Thats not us, but we did that one, and it was wicked!

Heheheh, yeah.  Must be one of the best days laning I've had in a
while, certainly a bit of everything from rocks to sand to mud and
ruts, most excellent.

Thanks to Andy for the routes he had, Roych Clough is just brilliant
and a _MUST DO_ lane for anyone in the area.

Some pics here .. http://www.flickr.com/photos/35295373@N00/

Been home since 5, stopped at a McDonalds for the kids and absolutely
nackered, hence had a cuppa and a sandwich after getting in.  ;)

Damn right for Stanage.  We didn't attempt it today in deference to
Nige's RR and the general slippery/dangerous conditions.  Had to be me
that got stuck again .. but getting rid of the ballast meant it popped
out easy enough ... ;)

Cheers Nige and Mark, a great day out.

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Nige - 27 Dec 2007 18:23 GMT
> Mark Solesbury wibbled
>
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>
> Cheers Nige and Mark, a great day out.

It will be shod in proper rubber next time, aslo wanted to see how it faired
on some 'less serious' stuff. I thought it performed bloody great. That
extra height is just great.  I'll get some diff guards, as they are the same
as a D2 i believe.

When i went into that dip after the fist mile or so, I thought it was gonna
fall forward, I was actually ready to bail, but eating a sarnie at the time
;)

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Paul - xxx - 27 Dec 2007 18:25 GMT
Nige wibbled

> > Mark Solesbury wibbled
> >
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> gonna fall forward, I was actually ready to bail, but eating a sarnie
> at the time ;)

Bloody surprising how well it did, I thought.  Very nice motor.

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Nige - 27 Dec 2007 18:28 GMT
> Nige wibbled
>
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> Bloody surprising how well it did, I thought.  Very nice motor.

The gearbox is superb. TC only came on three times the whole day ;)

Always wanted to take one off road properly, now for some decent AT tyres.

;)

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Nige - 27 Dec 2007 18:43 GMT
> Nige wibbled
>
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>
> Bloody surprising how well it did, I thought.  Very nice motor.

Another thing, what do i need to get that memory map malarkey sorted? I need
one.

I reckon we need to start a laning club, that meets every month or so?

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Paul - xxx - 27 Dec 2007 18:52 GMT
Nige wibbled

> > Nige wibbled
> >
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> Another thing, what do i need to get that memory map malarkey sorted?
> I need one.

Get a PDA, the rest can be sorted when we next meet ... ;)

> I reckon we need to start a laning club, that meets every month or so?

Good idea, I'm up for it.

For anyone interested I've also put some screendumps of the routes I
proposed and the actual routes taken today.  If anyone wants the 'real'
overlays I'll happily pass them on as it'll certainly save some grief
... ;)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35295373@N00/?saved=1  Had to split them
up as East and West as my screen is so small ... ;)

I'd also be interested if anyone has any other overlays of green lanes,
play areas etc that they wouldn't mind passing on to me so I can keep a
'central store' for AFL Unofficial (and Official maybe) meets.

If anyone has any overlays/data/lat-longs/addresses etc please email
them to me at this reply email address.  It is mine, it does work, but
let me know you've sent me something, I really never check it otherwise.

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Nige - 27 Dec 2007 19:03 GMT
> Nige wibbled
>
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> let me know you've sent me something, I really never check it
> otherwise.

What spec PDA do i need? Do i need GPS to run it etc?

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Paul - xxx - 27 Dec 2007 19:13 GMT
Nige wibbled

> > Nige wibbled
> >
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>
> What spec PDA do i need? Do i need GPS to run it etc?

Yeah.  There's loads these days with built-in GPS antenna, like mine
(Mitac Mio 168) but mine's mega-old and is crap really, that's why I
missed the turning at the bottom of Pinfold ... GPS lagged, due to
trees and valley bottom.  Newer chipsets (Sirfstar III are 'best') work
far better with better battery life.

Or you could get one with Bluetooth and add a GPS antenna, cheap enough
on ebay etc but I've only ever used the all-in-one thing.  ;)

I'll have a look later and see what's currently 'good' and post back.

Have a look yourself actually, http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/ is a
great website/resource and Darren who runs it often posts on Usenet.

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Dave Liquorice - 27 Dec 2007 21:14 GMT
> Newer chipsets (Sirfstar III are 'best') work far better with better
> battery life.

I have an HP iPAQ HX2790 and the Sirfstar III Bluetooth TomTom GPS Rx.
TomTom is TomTom but I have Navio (free from a software offer that came
with the PDA) for doing "proper" waypoint location stuff. This gives
bearing and distance etc as well as plotting your position on a scanned in
map (once you've told it at least two reference points.

The GPS Rx still doesn't like tree cover, as in being in a wood, very
sluggish compared to being in the clear when it can get put you within a
10' radius of a given set of co-ordinates.

The diary and contacts stuff in the PDA don't hold a candle to my old
Psions. It occasionally gets it's knickers in a twist and the WiFi won't
connect or an application will lock up. But hey this is Windows so we
can't expect anything other than that, both the poor applications, poor OS
and no indications/logs as to why its fupped up again.

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David G. Bell - 28 Dec 2007 08:17 GMT
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> The diary and contacts stuff in the PDA don't hold a candle to my old
> Psions. It occasionally gets it's knickers in a twist and the WiFi won't
> connect or an application will lock up. But hey this is Windows so we
> can't expect anything other than that, both the poor applications, poor OS
> and no indications/logs as to why its fupped up again.

The Asus Eee laptop computer might be worth a look: right now, it's too
new for good out-of-the box support for things like SatNav, but it's
Linux so there are probably some solutions. More for the user who needs
mobile typing, I reckon.

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Bender - 08 Jan 2008 01:39 GMT
>I'd also be interested if anyone has any other overlays of green lanes,
>play areas etc that they wouldn't mind passing on to me so I can keep a
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Rich B - 27 Dec 2007 18:47 GMT
Nige typed:
>> Mark Solesbury wibbled
>>
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> great. That extra height is just great.  I'll get some diff guards,
> as they are the same as a D2 i believe.

I believe the undercarriage of the D2 and P38 are pretty much identical, so
what fits one should fit the other.  Still seems odd with the diffs on the
"wrong" side though.

When I was looking, the only AT tyres that would fit the P38 HSE were
Grabber AT2s (came out days after I had fitted a new set of Wranglers).
Maybe the other manufacturers have caught up by now.

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Nige - 27 Dec 2007 18:51 GMT
> Nige typed:
>>> Mark Solesbury wibbled
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> Grabber AT2s (came out days after I had fitted a new set of
> Wranglers). Maybe the other manufacturers have caught up by now.

Yeah, I know what you mean. It's a shorter wheelbase on the D2, surely? It
was bloody good fun today. There were a lot of laners around today, all in
jazzed up Defenders & even mega tyred Jeeps. A road going P38 did the same
as them ;)

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Mark Solesbury - 27 Dec 2007 20:56 GMT
> Big thanks to Paul for sorting a route out.
>
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>
> Thats not us, but we did that one, and it was wicked!

http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/december-2007/

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Dave Liquorice - 27 Dec 2007 21:20 GMT
> http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/december-2007/

About the third in with Nige about to crest a bank is quite impressive.

Don't you just hate it when your camera decides that the rain drops and
heated screen wires are the subject of intrest.  B-)

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Nige - 27 Dec 2007 22:23 GMT
>> http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/december-2007/
>
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> Don't you just hate it when your camera decides that the rain drops
> and heated screen wires are the subject of intrest.  B-)

You need to come along sometime, it's bloody good fun. I have some great
ones i'll put up on fotki tomorrow.

Yeah Bec, whats happened to the 20d?

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Mark Solesbury - 28 Dec 2007 08:21 GMT
>>> http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/december-2007/
>> About the third in with Nige about to crest a bank is quite
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Yeah Bec, whats happened to the 20d?

Haha

It was in the cubby box all day...

She had a really bad throat / headache and couldn't be arsed to move let
alone take pics!

I suppose we will have to do it all again................

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Paul - xxx - 28 Dec 2007 08:44 GMT
Mark Solesbury wibbled

> > > > http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/december-
> > > > 2007/
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>
> I suppose we will have to do it all again................

Bugger ... when?

It has to be said ..
http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/december-2007/dsc
f2641.html .. we didn't need the ropes after all ... just off-loaded
the ballast (Wife and kids) and the Disco came out easily.  Could have
gone forwards, but there were more heavily rutted sections further on
...

Good news is, swmbo says she's now seriously thinking of getting a
Mondeo so we can tow the caravan with that, lose the towbar on the
disco _and_ get a proper lift kit!!!!!

She thinks that might stop me getting stuck ... ;)

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Dave Liquorice - 28 Dec 2007 10:39 GMT
> She had a really bad throat / headache and couldn't be arsed to move let
> alone take pics!

Ah I thought the expression on her face in photo 4 was a little "I don't
want to be here". I hope it's not what the kids and other half have just
had. Knock down, as in off to bed, within 6 hours of showing first mild
symptoms, two days in bed hardly able to move, third day in bed simply
worn out, slow recovery afterwards.

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Nige - 28 Dec 2007 11:16 GMT
>> She had a really bad throat / headache and couldn't be arsed to move
>> let alone take pics!
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> showing first mild symptoms, two days in bed hardly able to move,
> third day in bed simply worn out, slow recovery afterwards.

Everyone I know has been shite this year. I am still not 100% & mines
dragged on for weeks.

One final push with some whiskey tonight i think.

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Mark Solesbury - 28 Dec 2007 11:38 GMT
>> She had a really bad throat / headache and couldn't be arsed to move let
>> alone take pics!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> symptoms, two days in bed hardly able to move, third day in bed simply
> worn out, slow recovery afterwards.

Haha

She loves it really - she should have been in bed yesterday. She is a
little better today, although that might be the drugs!

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NM - 28 Dec 2007 22:55 GMT
>>> She had a really bad throat / headache and couldn't be arsed to move
>>> let alone take pics!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> first mild symptoms, two days in bed hardly able to move, third day in
>> bed simply worn out, slow recovery afterwards.

I think I've just contracted that, into the third day now and SWMBO is a
day behind me.

Mines accompanied by perpetual headachce, stomach cramps and the
necessity to be no more than three or four seconds from a toilet.
Dave Liquorice - 29 Dec 2007 00:35 GMT
> I think I've just contracted that, into the third day now

How can you be into the third day of something you have just contracted?
If you have just had the flu your brain won't be working properly...  B-)

> Mines accompanied by perpetual headachce, stomach cramps and the
> necessity to be no more than three or four seconds from a toilet.

No serious botty problems here but certainly gripes and pains in the gut.
The main diagnostic features of influenza are the rapid knock down (hours)
into bed for a couple of days with bad muscle and joint pain, fever (mild
to high), headache and gastric problems.

The common cold doesn't knock down particularly quickly, rarely puts
otherwise fit and healthy people into bed, only has mild muscle/joint pain
and doesn't have much affect on the gut.

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NM - 29 Dec 2007 06:53 GMT
>> I think I've just contracted that, into the third day now
>
> How can you be into the third day of something you have just contracted?
> If you have just had the flu your brain won't be working properly...  B-)

Ok, omit the word just, typing faster than thinking again. :-)

>> Mines accompanied by perpetual headachce, stomach cramps and the
>> necessity to be no more than three or four seconds from a toilet.
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> into bed for a couple of days with bad muscle and joint pain, fever (mild
> to high), headache and gastric problems.

Sounds exactly like my version, especially the joint pain, up until
yesterday morning I never really believed anyone could die of flu. It's
the worse I have ever experienced, all the other times I thought I had
flu I must have had a severe version of the common cold, as you detail
below.

Thanks for the info, ironically I can't sleep now having been in bed for
most of the last few days, hence posting at six in the morning.

Being an asthmatic I have an annual flu jab, this years obviously didn't
work.

> The common cold doesn't knock down particularly quickly, rarely puts
> otherwise fit and healthy people into bed, only has mild muscle/joint pain
> and doesn't have much affect on the gut.
Lee_D - 30 Dec 2007 17:31 GMT
NM <never.opened@all.com> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

>>> I think I've just contracted that, into the third day now
>>
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>> otherwise fit and healthy people into bed, only has mild
>> muscle/joint pain and doesn't have much affect on the gut.

Sounds like the Christmas arse plan diet. Works wonders on the waistline.

Lee D
Austin Shackles - 28 Dec 2007 15:59 GMT
>> http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/december-2007/
>
>About the third in with Nige about to crest a bank is quite impressive.
>
>Don't you just hate it when your camera decides that the rain drops and
>heated screen wires are the subject of intrest.  B-)

I thought the raindrop one was quite artistic.
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Mark Solesbury - 27 Dec 2007 21:37 GMT
> Big thanks to Paul for sorting a route out.
>
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>
> Thats not us, but we did that one, and it was wicked!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kzJ-Hft4L4o

Not much, as the card was full.....

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Lee_D - 28 Dec 2007 11:50 GMT
Mark Solesbury
<marksolesbury@asearchenginethatnowdoeseverythingmail.com> uttered
summat worrerz funny about:
>> Big thanks to Paul for sorting a route out.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Not much, as the card was full.....

Looks like you all had a good day and no breakdowns which is a result! Be
interesting to calculate the combined milage, this could be a new landrover
world record ;-)

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Simon Isaacs - 28 Dec 2007 11:58 GMT
>Big thanks to Paul for sorting a route out.
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>Thats not us, but we did that one, and it was wicked!

The Hurt Arms at Ambergate is well placed for camping in the area to
access the lanes....

Sorry I could not make it folks, Harry has been really ill, and then a
close relative decided to pass away just before christmas.  Had to
have the police etc out as he dropped down in his house.  Have spent
the last few days rushing around trying to sort out all the cr*p that
goes with a death.

Word of warning for you all:

You need an appointment to register a death. When we walked in we were
asked if we were muslim,  we did ask why that was important.  In
Peterborough, muslims can register on the same day so that cremation
can happen in 24 hours, we have to wait and several slots are kept
each day at the Crematorium for the muslims.   Because of Xmas, it is
going to be the 7th Jan before we can have the cremation!

You need a mnimum of 6 death certificates as none of the agencies such
as DWP, HMRC will accept photocopies, and the Registry office charge
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Steve Taylor - 28 Dec 2007 12:46 GMT
> Sorry I could not make it folks, Harry has been really ill, and then a
> close relative decided to pass away just before christmas.  Had to
> have the police etc out as he dropped down in his house.  Have spent
> the last few days rushing around trying to sort out all the cr*p that
> goes with a death.

Sorry to hear it mate. Hope Harry is getting better, and condolences on
your loss.

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Lee_D - 30 Dec 2007 17:29 GMT
Steve Taylor <steve@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:

>> Sorry I could not make it folks, Harry has been really ill, and then
>> a close relative decided to pass away just before christmas.  Had to
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>
> Steve

The D_Clan thoughts are with you all.

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Paul - xxx - 28 Dec 2007 12:56 GMT
Simon Isaacs wibbled

> > Big thanks to Paul for sorting a route out.
> >
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>
> Sorry I could not make it folks, Harry has been really ill,

I think most kids have, ours were lucky enough to shake their bug off a
week ago ish.

> and then a
> close relative decided to pass away just before christmas.  Had to
> have the police etc out as he dropped down in his house.  Have spent
> the last few days rushing around trying to sort out all the cr*p that
> goes with a death.

Condolences mate.  We lost a step-father last christmas eve, mum's had
a shite crimble this year.

> Word of warning for you all:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> each day at the Crematorium for the muslims.   Because of Xmas, it is
> going to be the 7th Jan before we can have the cremation!

Hmm, on another day I might comment more, but lots to do ...

> You need a mnimum of 6 death certificates as none of the agencies such
> as DWP, HMRC will accept photocopies, and the Registry office charge
> you for each copy.

Yeah, we found that, seven 'proper' certs required altogether.  You'd
think that all these departments could cross-reference with each other
and that for this search a photocopy should suffice.  I mean, they only
scan them in anyway ... I guess.  ;)

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JacobH - 28 Dec 2007 15:11 GMT
> Simon Isaacs wibbled
>
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> and that for this search a photocopy should suffice.  I mean, they
> only scan them in anyway ... I guess.  ;)

But they look on it as their last chance to screw money out of the
deceased!!

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Nige - 28 Dec 2007 13:01 GMT
>> Big thanks to Paul for sorting a route out.
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> as DWP, HMRC will accept photocopies, and the Registry office charge
> you for each copy.

Simon, sorry to hear about your woes, condolances for your loss & at least
Harry's on the mend.

I can't say as i'm surprised about the Muslim thing, pathetic isn't it?

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Mark Solesbury - 28 Dec 2007 17:02 GMT
>> Big thanks to Paul for sorting a route out.
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> 200 TDi Disco, "the offroader"
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Next time, say you are muslim - i don't think that they can question
your self declared religion.

I know for sure that if a police man asks you, i could say black male
and they would have to accept it - even though i am clearly a white
male. They are not allowed to question your answer.

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