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Dyson - bloody hell! (Way OT)

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Rich B - 03 Jan 2008 18:17 GMT
1 Jan - 4-year-old Dyson upright cleaner goes kaput.  Sounds terminal.
Motor groaning and cutting out, bad smell everywhere.  Phone Dyson customer
support - closed as it's New Year's Day.

2 Jan - phone customer support again.  Sarah listens to tale of woe, agrees
Dyson  is dead.  Offers engineer callout - full service, includes any parts
needed, 65 quid.  "What if it needs a new motor?" I ask.  "Included," she
says.  Books engineer for next available slot.  Tomorrow afternoon.

3 Jan - engineer calls. Replaces motor, all filters, main hose (no damage or
wear, but dirty, leaves old one as a spare), bottom hose (hasn't gone yet,
Madam, but it will, leaves old one as a spare) and sole plate (looking a bit
battered, Madam, leaves old one, etc.).  Engineer pleasant, chatty and full
of helpful advice, and doesn't even charge the full 65 notes.

For once, a transaction with a company that left the customer happy and with
expectations not only met but exceeded by a wide margin.  Very pleased -
especially since I was getting ready to stump up the 300+ needed for a new
one, as they are pricey but bloody effective.

Thought I'd share. No connection, etc.  Dyson rocks.

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Lee_D - 03 Jan 2008 18:35 GMT
Rich B <richard.brookmanNOSPAM@THANKSbtinternet.com> uttered summat
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> 1 Jan - 4-year-old Dyson upright cleaner goes kaput.  Sounds terminal.
> Motor groaning and cutting out, bad smell everywhere.  Phone Dyson
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>
> Thought I'd share. No connection, etc.  Dyson rocks.

I've had similar experience although in warantee I can't fault our local
bloke. I'm glad I read this though as last time we did stump up the
spondolies for a new one having written off the old one. Ah well.

Lee D
Mark Solesbury - 03 Jan 2008 18:59 GMT
> Rich B <richard.brookmanNOSPAM@THANKSbtinternet.com> uttered summat
> worrerz funny about:
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>
> Lee D

Same here - One large company that i can report good things about their
customer service....

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Rich B - 03 Jan 2008 19:02 GMT
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> Lee D

The engineer told Di that the waste tips are full of abandoned Dysons which
he could easily repair to full functionality for 65 notes a pop.  Business
plan forms in mind ...

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Austin Shackles - 03 Jan 2008 20:22 GMT
>The engineer told Di that the waste tips are full of abandoned Dysons which
>he could easily repair to full functionality for 65 notes a pop.  Business
>plan forms in mind ...

waste of time, it's a crap design.

OK, it's got clever features.  and to be fair, I'm referring to the DC01, on
which the crap features outweigh the clever - like the brush drive belt
running on the motor spindle, so anything that jams the brush leads to the
belt burning out unless you notice PDQ, and the narrow twisty passage for
the dirt to go up which keeps blocking.

If you only hoover up dust then it's quite good.
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hugh - 03 Jan 2008 21:38 GMT
>>The engineer told Di that the waste tips are full of abandoned Dysons which
>>he could easily repair to full functionality for 65 notes a pop.  Business
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>If you only hoover up dust then it's quite good.
We've got 2 (later ones). Brilliant if you've got hairy dogs.
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Paul Vigay - 04 Jan 2008 11:53 GMT
[Snippety snip]

> We've got 2 (later ones). Brilliant if you've got hairy dogs.

I didn't know the suction tube was /that/ wide! :-O

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Rich B - 04 Jan 2008 18:38 GMT
hugh typed:
>>> The engineer told Di that the waste tips are full of abandoned
>>> Dysons which he could easily repair to full functionality for 65
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>> If you only hoover up dust then it's quite good.
> We've got 2 (later ones). Brilliant if you've got hairy dogs.

Yup - that's why we went for another Dyson rather than a lesser make.

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Rich B - 04 Jan 2008 18:38 GMT
Austin Shackles typed:
>> The engineer told Di that the waste tips are full of abandoned
>> Dysons which he could easily repair to full functionality for 65
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> If you only hoover up dust then it's quite good.

By DC07 (our model) they seem to have sorted these issues.  It's quite
simply a great design, works well and, for a LR enthusiast, it's almost 100%
repairable.  Not only does the design allow it, but the manufacturer
encourages it.

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Austin Shackles - 05 Jan 2008 09:29 GMT
>Austin Shackles typed:
>>> The engineer told Di that the waste tips are full of abandoned
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>repairable.  Not only does the design allow it, but the manufacturer
>encourages it.

I wonder how many people got put off by the hassles with the early ones,
like we did.

I now have George, who is excellent, and does carpet shampooing as well.  I
rekcon there's some significance in the fact that most professional cleaning
people use Numatic machines...

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SpamTrapSeeSig - 04 Jan 2008 19:31 GMT
>>The engineer told Di that the waste tips are full of abandoned Dysons which
>>he could easily repair to full functionality for 65 notes a pop.  Business
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>belt burning out unless you notice PDQ, and the narrow twisty passage for
>the dirt to go up which keeps blocking.

Have to agree. Mother-in-law was ready to chuck hers and stump-up fro a
new one. Took about two hours of fiddling to get those daft ducts clean,
wash the belt, etc., but eventually it worked as well as it ever did.
She couldn't believe it, nor could she believe the pile of detritus on
the newspaper at the end of it.

I've got a Henry-substitute which we've been using for 23 years. It was
the first post-wedding purchase and it's been used for everything from
household dust to earth and lumps of brick (often, whenever I'm making
holes in the wall, in fact). It's still on the same brushes, motor and
cloth filter, although the mains lead has snapped a couple of times. It
will take Nilfisk fittings and it's really easy to clean and there's
almost nothing to go wrong. It saw off an Earlex recently (which
couldn't survive the punishment). I'd have got through a dozen Dysons in
that time...

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Ian Rawlings - 04 Jan 2008 20:48 GMT
> Have to agree. Mother-in-law was ready to chuck hers and stump-up fro a
> new one.

Reminds me of a friend's mum who was cursing Dyson out some time ago,
she said it was such a hassle to use.  Knowing a little about what she
was like, I asked her if she was washing it in the sink every time she
used it, and yes indeed that's exactly what she was doing and that was
what she hated about it.  In the instructions it stated that if you
wanted to, you could wash the dust chamber out every now and again,
but she was a bit like my mum, instructions like that get read as "YOU
MUST DO THIS EVERY TIME OR DIE!".  I have no idea how these people get
through life, my mum's a constant amazement as she bumbles about in a
world of her own.

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Dave Plowman (News) - 04 Jan 2008 10:08 GMT
> The engineer told Di that the waste tips are full of abandoned Dysons
> which he could easily repair to full functionality for 65 notes a pop.
> Business plan forms in mind ...

I found it enlightening that Curries had a whole end of isle devoted to
Dyson spares. Excellent, being able to get hold of near everything. But
then realised they don't do this as a service but to make a profit. So
they must be in demand.
When I needed a new vacuum cleaner I just bought the then Which? best buy
- a Panasonic. And despite having a long haired dog and at one time a
cleaning lady who could break anything, it's never needed any spares in
about 10 years other than bags and belts.
Never really understood this Dyson fetish - except perhaps when they were
a UK product.

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Dave Liquorice - 04 Jan 2008 13:10 GMT
> When I needed a new vacuum cleaner I just bought the then Which? best
> buy - a Panasonic.
<snip>
> Never really understood this Dyson fetish ...

At the time we bought ours none of the other makers had  bagless, all the
suction all of the time, models.

We had a Panasonic, with a bag, it was noisey and after 10 mins of use the
suction has dropped noticeably. We also have an Electrolux bagged that is
quieter but again runs out of suck quite quickly. The Dyson sucks the same
even with the bin full. Now as Dyson seem happy to repair and maintain the
thing for £65, I'd rather that than have to replace.

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John Moppett - 04 Jan 2008 13:26 GMT
Well, if I chose a fetish it would not be the Dyson. Bought it 'cos it
seemed good, also about 10myears old, only had belts and filters, one
new wand (handle) which broke when it fell over.
Mind you, if I had £65 for every time I have taken it apart to clear the
blocked (=narrow) airway, I could probably affoed a Landie!!

>> The engineer told Di that the waste tips are full of abandoned Dysons
>> which he could easily repair to full functionality for 65 notes a pop.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>  Never really understood this Dyson fetish - except perhaps when they were
> a UK product.
Dave Liquorice - 04 Jan 2008 15:57 GMT
> Well, if I chose a fetish it would not be the Dyson.

Too much suck? See reports of "accidents" involving vacuum cleaners and
the male appendage...

> Bought it 'cos it seemed good, also about 10myears old, only had belts
> and filters, one new wand (handle) which broke when it fell over.

Not replaced anything on our DC04, washable filter (when I remember) belt
is orginal and in good condition. Bits are broke and worn but after 7
years of use that is hardly surprising. The £65 service should take care
of them. Who has nicked the tuit jar?

> Mind you, if I had £65 for every time I have taken it apart to clear the
> blocked (=narrow) airway, I could probably affoed a Landie!!

Never is prehaps too strong a word but I think there are more thumbs on
one hand than number of times I've had to unblock the airways on the DC04.
Cutting No.1 Daughters hair off the rotating brush is another matter.

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andrew heggie - 04 Jan 2008 17:45 GMT
>> Well, if I chose a fetish it would not be the Dyson.
>
> Too much suck?

No chance with a Dyson, those serial cyclones rob them of that.

I actually do use one, recovered from a skip, for a very fine dusty job I
do but for picking up lots of rubbish I have a simple earlex and clean
the filter regularly plus run the outlet hose outside.

AJH
AndyC the WB - 04 Jan 2008 17:58 GMT
>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Liquorice <new5pam@howhill.com> writes:

   Dave> On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:26:53 +0000, John Moppett wrote:
   >> Well, if I chose a fetish it would not be the Dyson.

   Dave> Too much suck? See reports of "accidents" involving vacuum
   Dave> cleaners and the male appendage...

If you put it there deliberately, it's not an accident.

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Rich B - 04 Jan 2008 18:44 GMT
AndyC the WB typed:
>>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Liquorice <new5pam@howhill.com> writes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> If you put it there deliberately, it's not an accident.

To rephrase the ancient Arab saying:

A woman for procreation
A boy for pleasure
A melon for ecstasy
A Dyson for a visit to A&E.

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Austin Shackles - 05 Jan 2008 09:31 GMT
>AndyC the WB typed:
>>>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Liquorice <new5pam@howhill.com> writes:
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>A melon for ecstasy
>A Dyson for a visit to A&E.

what was the last line in the original?

camel?
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Austin Shackles typed:

>> AndyC the WB typed:
>>>>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Liquorice <new5pam@howhill.com> writes:
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>
> camel?

Heh.  No, the last line was my addition.  The third line can read "goat" if
your tastes are sufficiently bizarre.

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Austin Shackles - 05 Jan 2008 13:55 GMT
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>Heh.  No, the last line was my addition.  The third line can read "goat" if
>your tastes are sufficiently bizarre.

Sheep are less individualistic and thus easier to control... specially if
you have those extra-long wellies.
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Rich B - 05 Jan 2008 17:06 GMT
Austin Shackles typed:

>> Austin Shackles typed:
>>>
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> Sheep are less individualistic and thus easier to control...
> specially if you have those extra-long wellies.

There speaks the voice of experience. :-)

Buggering a goose with its head in a drawer, and slamming the drawer shut on
its neck at the critical moment, is supposed to be pretty good too, but I
haven't had the faintest urge to try it.

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Stuart Gray - 05 Jan 2008 17:21 GMT
> Austin Shackles typed:
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> shut on its neck at the critical moment, is supposed to be pretty good
> too, but I haven't had the faintest urge to try it.

How do these stories get about?

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Ian Rawlings - 05 Jan 2008 17:36 GMT
>> Buggering a goose with its head in a drawer, and slamming the drawer
>> shut on its neck at the critical moment, is supposed to be pretty good
>> too, but I haven't had the faintest urge to try it.
>>
> How do these stories get about?

... he asks, after reading about it on usenet ;-)

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Rich B - 05 Jan 2008 17:40 GMT
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>
> Stuart

That's the trouble with sheep - can't keep a bloody secret.

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Steve Taylor - 05 Jan 2008 18:40 GMT
> How do these stories get about?
>
> Stuart
f.ck nose.

Steve
Stuart Gray - 05 Jan 2008 19:27 GMT
>> How do these stories get about?
>>
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>
> Steve

Ah, it always gets back to nasal sex.

Stuart
Steve Taylor - 05 Jan 2008 19:38 GMT
>> f.ck nose.
>>
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>
> Stuart
Well if you knows of a better 'ole go to it ....

Steve
Simon Isaacs - 05 Jan 2008 18:31 GMT
>Austin Shackles typed:
>>
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>its neck at the critical moment, is supposed to be pretty good too, but I
>haven't had the faintest urge to try it.

I killed my 3 geese on the 21st December.  Their necks are bloody hard
to wring.......

You have to use a broom handle to assist with the neck wringing, and
we broke the first broom handle, SWMBO was not impressed, it was the
one for the kitchen floor, so then we used the yard brush....

They're a pain in the backside to pluck as well.

Drawing them was funny.  I let them hang for 24 hours for everything
to firm up, and as removed the guts one of them let out a honk.  Dawn
reckoned it was still alive....  All it was was air being pushed
throught the voice box.  I'd seen it 3 days before when my nan's fella
dropped down dead and the undertakes came to pick him up.  As they
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Steve Taylor - 05 Jan 2008 18:42 GMT
> You have to use a broom handle to assist with the neck wringing,
I know I'll regret this, but why ?

Steve
AJH - 05 Jan 2008 20:24 GMT
>I know I'll regret this, but why ?

Grab bird and place one sides wing tip and leg in hand, lower toward
floor, bird looks up, place pick axe handle behind skull, pull till it
you feel a click. Do not let go of wings.

back to off topic, dyson washing machine has packed up with an error
code that suggests the machine has flooded, but it hasn't :-(.

AJH
AJH - 05 Jan 2008 19:01 GMT
>You have to use a broom handle to assist with the neck wringing

Always used to be a pick axe handle, it's when you pull too hard that
it gets messy.

AJH
Rich B - 05 Jan 2008 20:24 GMT
Simon Isaacs typed:

> Drawing them was funny.  I let them hang for 24 hours for everything
> to firm up, and as removed the guts one of them let out a honk.  Dawn
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> lifted him, it sounded like he was breathing becuase of the air moving
> in and out of the lungs!

I used to work as a porter at St James's in Leeds, and got friendly with the
guy in charge of the mortuary.  He reckoned that when they moved a stiff, if
the body was bent in the middle when they lifted it, 3 times out of 4 it
would fart.  One big tough porter was present when it happened, ran out of
the building and wasn't seen for a week.

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Steve Taylor - 05 Jan 2008 13:58 GMT
> what was the last line in the original?
>
> camel?
A goat for the peak of bliss.

...allegedly.

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Rich B - 04 Jan 2008 18:41 GMT
Dave Plowman (News) typed:
>> The engineer told Di that the waste tips are full of abandoned Dysons
>> which he could easily repair to full functionality for 65 notes a
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> spares in about 10 years other than bags and belts.
> Never really understood this Dyson fetish

They work, and continue to work.  That's all I need to know.

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Dave Plowman (News) - 04 Jan 2008 18:53 GMT
> > I found it enlightening that Curries had a whole end of isle devoted
> > to Dyson spares. Excellent, being able to get hold of near
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> > spares in about 10 years other than bags and belts.
> > Never really understood this Dyson fetish

> They work, and continue to work.  That's all I need to know.

They seem to break with some regularity too. Which I really couldn't be
doing with from something so basic as a cleaner. Different with a vehicle
you love.

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hugh - 03 Jan 2008 21:36 GMT
>Rich B <richard.brookmanNOSPAM@THANKSbtinternet.com> uttered summat
>worrerz funny about:
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>
>Lee D

Likewise - I smashed the old one to pieces out of sheer frustration at
not getting the bloody thing to come apart - then found I could have got
it repaired for fixed price.
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Richard - 03 Jan 2008 19:08 GMT
>1 Jan - 4-year-old Dyson upright cleaner goes kaput.  Sounds terminal.
>Motor groaning and cutting out, bad smell everywhere.  Phone Dyson customer
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Thought I'd share. No connection, etc.  Dyson rocks.

I shall get our old one out of the store room ....... ;o)
Allen - 03 Jan 2008 19:40 GMT
> 1 Jan - 4-year-old Dyson upright cleaner goes kaput.  Sounds terminal.
> Motor groaning and cutting out, bad smell everywhere.  Phone Dyson customer
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Thought I'd share. No connection, etc.  Dyson rocks.

A similar story with my Dyson washing machine - maximum charge £85, not
that they have ever actually requested money!

Had a Dyson engineer out 3 times for it over the years - the first time
within the warranty period. The second time was out of warranty  - no
charge plus all "upgraded for the final model year parts" (not actually
required for the repair) and a fresh year on the warranty. The last
call-out was FOC including parts...
Rich B - 03 Jan 2008 20:16 GMT
Allen typed:

>> 1 Jan - 4-year-old Dyson upright cleaner goes kaput.  Sounds
>> terminal. Motor groaning and cutting out, bad smell everywhere.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> actually required for the repair) and a fresh year on the warranty.
> The last call-out was FOC including parts...

<cynical>

I suppose they've got to spend all the money they saved by moving to
Malaysia somehow.

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SpamTrapSeeSig - 04 Jan 2008 19:31 GMT
>A similar story with my Dyson washing machine - maximum charge £85, not
>that they have ever actually requested money!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>required for the repair) and a fresh year on the warranty. The last
>call-out was FOC including parts...

Fair enough, but Dyson aren't alone in this. SWMBO insisted on a Miele
this time round. I recently had to take the lid off (it wasn't faulty),
and was amazed, not just by the build quality (it's very good), but by
the fact there was a printed parts list tucked inside the lid.

We've had it for a year now and are very impressed so far. Particularly
so by the fact it's so quiet.

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Allen - 04 Jan 2008 21:13 GMT
>>A similar story with my Dyson washing machine - maximum charge £85, not
>>that they have ever actually requested money!
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>
> Simonm.

I bought a DC02 de Stijl vacuum cleaner 10 years ago which hasn't been any
trouble at all - including taking some abuse from our dickhead builder who
used it to hoover up his rubble dust while we were out. w.nker. Neighbours
grassed him up after he emptied the dust out into *their* rubbish bins. He
didn't even bother using any bin liners.
Laugh? I nearly paid him a bonus LOL.
Austin Shackles - 05 Jan 2008 09:34 GMT
>Fair enough, but Dyson aren't alone in this. SWMBO insisted on a Miele
>this time round. I recently had to take the lid off (it wasn't faulty),
>and was amazed, not just by the build quality (it's very good), but by
>the fact there was a printed parts list tucked inside the lid.

I'm thinking along Miele lines for a washing machine next time the crappy
modern hotpoint goes tits-up.

Old hotpoints, with the electromechanical timer, were pretty good.
Unfortunately ours died from chassis rot.  The new one is very cheaply made
and if it goes wrong the only way of fixing it is to replace the main
circuit board, 'cos there isn't anything else you can do to it.
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Dave Liquorice - 03 Jan 2008 21:41 GMT
> For once, a transaction with a company that left the customer happy and
> with expectations not only met but exceeded by a wide margin.

I must get them to come and look at our DC04, hose is held together with
gaffer tape, the clip for the nozzle tool is broken, and there is quite a
bit of general "wear and tear" after 7 or so years of use. Still does a
damn good job at cleaning though. I just wish the tub was a bit bigger so
you didn't have to empty it quite so often. One good session through the
house more than fills it and as No.1 daughter has long hair the brush
needs to be dehaired, oh that's looking a bit worn as well...

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mark - 04 Jan 2008 02:03 GMT
>Thought I'd share. No connection, etc.  Dyson rocks.

<Aol>
Changed all the worn bits while he was at it.

Anyone else get the impression that Dysons are  a bit like British bikes
and land rovers; if you know what they are like they are just
fine...................?
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Rich B - 04 Jan 2008 18:40 GMT
mark typed:

>> Thought I'd share. No connection, etc.  Dyson rocks.
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> <Aol>
> Changed all the worn bits while he was at it.

I like this approach.  Not just broken bits or non-functioning bits, but
worn and likely-to-fail bits are replaced as well.

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