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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / January 2008

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Nige - 10 Jan 2008 19:43 GMT
I can't work out these lights, there is only one power connection that goes
onto existing connections at the headlamp, so the whole lot is running from
one power source. I can't see that being a problem, but the headlamp monitor
will be bollocksed for the headlamp that isn't giving power to the set?

It has a box of tricks that needs battery power too, what the hell is it? I
might knock this idea on the head.

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Alex - 10 Jan 2008 20:52 GMT
>I can't work out these lights, there is only one power connection that goes
>onto existing connections at the headlamp, so the whole lot is running from
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>It has a box of tricks that needs battery power too, what the hell is it? I
>might knock this idea on the head.

The "box of tricks" is the ballast, starter etc which is necessary to
get the HID lamps to work - they are not like normal bulbs, where you
just pass a current throught a filament. They are nearer to
flourescent tubes in the way they work. The connector to your existing
headlamp is simply used to activate the unit, the main power feed to
the lamps is the one that goes direct into the unit from the battery.
It should have an in-line fuse.

Alex
Nige - 10 Jan 2008 21:10 GMT
>> I can't work out these lights, there is only one power connection
>> that goes onto existing connections at the headlamp, so the whole
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Alex

hehe - it's got the ballasts as well matey, it has a deffo box of tricks,
but only one connection point to the original headlamp bulbs, not two as i
reckon it should.

Mainly as it wont register on the becm as a working bulb, but this set is
P38 friendly apparently.

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AndyC the WB - 11 Jan 2008 08:51 GMT
>>>>> "Nige" == Nige  <nigel.inceFECKINJESUS@btinternet.com> writes:

   Nige> Mainly as it wont register on the becm as a working bulb,
   Nige> but this set is P38 friendly apparently.

If it only takes power from one side, it won't work on the P38A
without giving bulb failure messages.  From memory, I'm also not
convinced the BeCM can handle the extra power.  I'd get your money
back if I were you.

Andy

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Dave Liquorice - 11 Jan 2008 09:35 GMT
> From memory, I'm also not convinced the BeCM can handle the extra power.  

In a DII at least the BeCM doesn't do any power switching it tells the
interior fuse box what to turn on and off. HID lights, when running, take
less power than tungsten halogen... Around 35W rather than the more normal
55W. Just 'cause they is brighter doesn't mean they take more juice. What
they take when starting is another matter...

Has Nige a link to the kit he has on the makers web site?

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Dave Liquorice - 10 Jan 2008 22:16 GMT
> They are nearer to flourescent tubes in the way they work.

Not really they are an arc lamp rather than a flourescent.

http://www.halcyon.net/lights/hid-faq.shtml

Has some nice information about HID (High Intensity Discharge) lights. Pay
particular attention to the handling notes. DO NOT touch the quartz
envelope with your bare fingers or if you do be scrupilous at degreasing
with a lint free cloth and alcohol. Failure to do so will seriously
shorten the bulb life and possibly cause an explosive failure.

I suspect that Nige has two (four?) boxes as the ballast that provides the
regulated running power is seperate to the starter which needs to produce
around 23,000V to strike the initial arc in a cold lamp.

The other thing to be aware of is that when hot they might not re-strike,
though they do seem to be working on hot strike bubbles/starters these
days.

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Oily - 11 Jan 2008 00:02 GMT
> > They are nearer to flourescent tubes in the way they work.
>
> Not really they are an arc lamp rather than a flourescent.

Do RHM sell these?    :-)

Martin
vertuas - 10 Jan 2008 22:35 GMT
>I can't work out these lights, there is only one power connection that goes
>onto existing connections at the headlamp, so the whole lot is running from
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It has a box of tricks that needs battery power too, what the hell is it?
> I might knock this idea on the head.

Nige

found this it may be of help to you, or it may not

http://www.focusfanatics.com/howtos/hid_install/

different car i know.
Lee_D - 11 Jan 2008 00:48 GMT
>I can't work out these lights, there is only one power connection that goes
>onto existing connections at the headlamp, so the whole lot is running from
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It has a box of tricks that needs battery power too, what the hell is it?
> I might knock this idea on the head.
Lee_D - 11 Jan 2008 00:48 GMT
>I can't work out these lights, there is only one power connection that goes
>onto existing connections at the headlamp, so the whole lot is running from
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It has a box of tricks that needs battery power too, what the hell is it?
> I might knock this idea on the head.

http://www.rangerovers.net/forum/

May be someone has done this conversion on here.
 
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