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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / January 2008Another towing question
Hi, I wish there was somewhere with simple explanation of towing allowances etc. Does anyone know if I can legally use my 1986 V8 110 CSW to tow a car trailer (over-run brakes) with a LR pre 1970 S2 or 2a LWB hardtop or SW on board, I passed my driving test around 1988 and have normal classes etc on my licence. I will ensure the trailer is plated etc to carry the LR. This is for a private pruchase of a new toy :-), not for any business use etc Or tell me where I can find out... Thanks as ever, Andrew >Does anyone know if I can legally use my 1986 V8 110 CSW to tow a car >trailer (over-run brakes) The 110 is OK to tow 3.5 tonnes on overrun brakes as long as the car trailer is rated for the load. > with a LR pre 1970 S2 or 2a LWB hardtop or >SW on board, I don't know the weight of a series landrover but both my 110 and 101 come in just under 2 tonnes, my trailer weighs 700 kg and is rated at 3.5 tonnes, giving a gross weight of 2600kg. AJH >Hi, >I wish there was somewhere with simple explanation of towing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >SW on board, I passed my driving test around 1988 and have normal >classes etc on my licence. should be OK, the LR is under 2 tons, and the trailer won't be over a ton. the legal limit is 3.5T gross on over-run brakes. Test passed in 1988 means you have B+E without restrictions.  SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >>Hi, >>I wish there was somewhere with simple explanation of towing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the legal limit is 3.5T gross on over-run brakes. Test passed in 1988 means > you have B+E without restrictions. Is the weight of the trailer and its load legally allowed to exceed the weight of the towing vehicle? SignatureDouglas > >>Hi, > >>I wish there was somewhere with simple explanation of towing [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Is the weight of the trailer and its load legally allowed to exceed the > weight of the towing vehicle? Yes. As long as the towing vehicle's manufacturer rated the vehicle to tow that in the first place then there is no problem. Badger. >> >>Hi, >> >>I wish there was somewhere with simple explanation of towing [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >that in the first place then there is no problem. >Badger. I'm not sure there's anything in the law, as such, which precludes towing heavier trailers, but you might find the insurance would try to use it as a way out of paying any claim. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! Thanks for all the replies, I kind of thought it was OK, but was not sure. I just need to find a trailer and a suitable cheap LR to buy within 200miles...(of Fort William) Or I'll send the local garage with their recovery flatbed truck. Andrew In article <45eec5cb-24a7-4d7b-8098-690ebee1f004@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com>, > Thanks for all the replies, I kind of thought it was OK, but was not > sure. I just need to find a trailer Don't forget suitable straps to attach the wheels of said Land Rover to trailer. SignatureCheers, Geoff. www.anoraks.uk.net >> Is the weight of the trailer and its load legally allowed to exceed the >> weight of the towing vehicle? > >Yes. As long as the towing vehicle's manufacturer rated the vehicle to tow >that in the first place then there is no problem. ISTR that there is a restriction when pulling an un braked (i.e. less than 750kg trailer) of more than 1/2 the towing vehicle's weight but I've just got in and haven't looked it up. AJH >>> Is the weight of the trailer and its load legally allowed to exceed the >>> weight of the towing vehicle? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >than 750kg trailer) of more than 1/2 the towing vehicle's weight but >I've just got in and haven't looked it up. yep. unbraked trailer can be up to half the towing vehicle's kerb weight, or up to 750Kg, whichever is the lower figure. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > Is the weight of the trailer and its load legally allowed to exceed the > weight of the towing vehicle? If there is how do 40 tonne arctics work? That is a towing vehicle and trailer... SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail >> Is the weight of the trailer and its load legally allowed to exceed the >> weight of the towing vehicle? > > If there is how do 40 tonne arctics work? That is a towing vehicle and > trailer... Heh, I dunno, that's why I asked. I wasn't thinking along those lines I suppose, the braking system on them's a bit more sophisticated than plain old overrun though, isn't it? I pick up all sorts of fact and fiction about the legalities of towing, it seems like a minefield. Makes little odds to me personally though as my license is too new. SignatureDouglas >>> Is the weight of the trailer and its load legally allowed to exceed the >>> weight of the towing vehicle? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >suppose, the braking system on them's a bit more sophisticated than >plain old overrun though, isn't it? yes, it is. on a typical artic, you have 3 semi-separate braking systems - normal service brakes, trailer-only and unit-only. Loss of air pressure to the trailer also automatically puts the trailer brakes on under some circumstances, although it can still all go wrong... failure of the wrong brake lines can leave you with only the unit brakes. >I pick up all sorts of fact and fiction about the legalities of towing, >it seems like a minefield. Makes little odds to me personally though as >my license is too new. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate Dave Liquorice,<new5pam@howhill.com> managed to produce the following words of wisdom >> Is the weight of the trailer and its load legally allowed to exceed >> the weight of the towing vehicle? > > If there is how do 40 tonne arctics work? That is a towing vehicle and > trailer... Linked brakes. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 "Save your breath for cooling your porridge! W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo Scorpio Ultima 24v >Hi, >I wish there was somewhere with simple explanation of towing [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Andrew Whats the max TRAIN weight of towing vehicle ? I thought that the max TRAIN weight was the restriction ....and the max tow weight was just the capability of the vehicle. John > Whats the max TRAIN weight of towing vehicle ? I thought that the max > TRAIN weight was the restriction ....and the max tow weight was just > the capability of the vehicle. Max train weight is by definition the sum of max laden weight and max towed weight. > > Whats the max TRAIN weight of towing vehicle ? I thought that the max > > TRAIN weight was the restriction ....and the max tow weight was just > > the capability of the vehicle. > > Max train weight is by definition the sum of max laden weight and max > towed weight. I'd also heard of the max train weight, is there any restriction on how high this can be on a normal (1988) driving licence? Max of 110 (towing vehicle) 2950, max weight of suitable car trailer + 109 2a would be around the same or a bit more I guess Andrew >> > Whats the max TRAIN weight of towing vehicle ? I thought that the max >> > TRAIN weight was the restriction ....and the max tow weight was just [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Max of 110 (towing vehicle) 2950, max weight of suitable car trailer + >109 2a would be around the same or a bit more I guess plated vehicles have a train weight which you can't legally exceed. Stuff like transits often has a manufacturers plate with a train weight on it (or sometimes a GVW and a max. trailer weight). I'm not sure of the legal aspect of these, although as I say, the insurance would doubtless use it against you if you exceeded it and there was a claim. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >>Hi, >>I wish there was somewhere with simple explanation of towing [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >John Both are restrictions and you mustn't exceed either. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting I just found this link which has some well explained detail, more interesting stuff is at the bottom of the page http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/ Amdrew >I just found this link which has some well explained detail, more >interesting stuff is at the bottom of the page > >http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/ useful but limited. For example, there's a restricted C1+E entitlement, which limits the train weight to 8250Kg. This is what most people with older class B licences have. It also doesn't mention the third class of trailer, i.e. linked brakes, which is required for trailers over 3500Kg. I rather think that there's no legal restriction, if you have B+E, on larger trailers with linked brakes. the other thing that's silly is the one about trailer sizes. My minibus is 3850 Kg GVW, so it can tow a bigger trailer than an identical model van which is 3495Kg GVW. Who thought that one up? SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! In message <41a2feae-0c8a-45ec-bcc1-358894d0caa5@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Andrew T. <ferryach@yahoo.co.uk> writes >I just found this link which has some well explained detail, more >interesting stuff is at the bottom of the page > >http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/ > >Amdrew Have a look in the archives of uk.rec.caravanning - this question comes up often Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting |
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