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Warning if you are in the RAC and go offroad.
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Geoff - 15 Jan 2008 14:17 GMT Seems if you have used your vehicle off road they will refuse recovery irrespective of what broke and how it broke.
Been playing at Slab Common in Hants, nothing too stressful, then to the pub via the local ford to wash most of the shite off, few beers ect, left the pub, couple of miles up the road cam belt fails.
Towed to the nearest pub, phone RAC, "Don't bother sending a man in a van it's a broken cam belt and will need flatbed as permanent four wheel drive."
Man in a van turns up,
"You been offroad"
"Yea did a bit this morning"
"Sorry I can't help as you have been offroad it invalidates your cover"
"But it's a cam belt, offroading won't affect it and anyway the belt broke on the road and that was this morning"
"Sorry I can't help as you have been offroad it invalidates your cover"
Ect, ect.
Phone call to head office next day, the rule is simple, been offroad, regardless of failure service will be declined, they would not even counter my arguments, simple no offroad no service end off conversation.
Been a member for 10 years at 80 odd quid a year, only other recovery we have had involved a chain smoker with a knackerd Transit we had to squash in the front of with a equally knackered trailer.
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Mark Solesbury - 15 Jan 2008 14:18 GMT > Seems if you have used your vehicle off road they will refuse > recovery irrespective of what broke and how it broke. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. Ill swap mine over to the AA.
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Dave Liquorice - 15 Jan 2008 15:21 GMT >> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. > > Ill swap mine over to the AA. Have either or both checked that the AA don't have a similar policy? If one has I wouldn't be surprised if the other has as well... B-(
The other thing is don't be quite so honest when asked "Have you been off road?" What does the RAC define as "off road", the private gravel track to your stately mansion?
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Ian Rawlings - 15 Jan 2008 16:30 GMT > Have either or both checked that the AA don't have a similar policy? If > one has I wouldn't be surprised if the other has as well... B-( I used to be with National Farmer's Union who had a breakdown policy, they were fine about off-roading (even when asked directly) so if all else fails then insuring with them and getting access to their recovery scheme should work.
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Geoff - 15 Jan 2008 16:45 GMT > >> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. > > > > Ill swap mine over to the AA. > > Have either or both checked that the AA don't have a similar policy? If > one has I wouldn't be surprised if the other has as well... B-( I have seen AA wagons collect the dead from inside offroad sites.
> The other thing is don't be quite so honest when asked "Have you been off > road?" What does the RAC define as "off road", the private gravel track to > your stately mansion? The RAC state not part of the Queeens Highway, when I point out a green lane was part of the Queens Highway she changed her tune to inclue with tarmac.
I asked if my wife and young son would be recovered if they were on the way back from the field where they tend the horses, she said of course, when I asked how this differed from my using the same vehicle in a field and being refused recovery she could not answered and repeated the if you have been offroad you are not covered mantra.
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Paul Vigay - 15 Jan 2008 17:35 GMT In a dim and distant universe <nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.jupcjb3.pminews@srv1.howhill.net>, Dave Liquorice <new5pam@howhill.com> enlightened us thusly:
> Have either or both checked that the AA don't have a similar policy? If > one has I wouldn't be surprised if the other has as well... B-( I've called the AA out a couple of times in the past year and they never even asked if I'd been off-roading.
However, after reading this thread, I'd probably just say "no" if they did ask me now. :-)
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Ian Rawlings - 15 Jan 2008 15:52 GMT > Phone call to head office next day, the rule is simple, been offroad, > regardless of failure service will be declined, they would not even > counter my arguments, simple no offroad no service end off conversation. Hmm, I never noticed that in the terms and conditions, and I went through them with a fine-toothed comb as I had to cover the Pinzgauer which is over 3.5 tonnes when fully laden (which it never is but rules is rules). Perhaps I'll have to go through them again.
I could now use the AA, who wouldn't cover my truck due to the weight, as the DVLA got fed up arguing with each other over whether my truck is PLG or not (it's too heavy) that they just decided to state that it's 3.5 tonnes GVW (it's 3.9 in reality, 2.5 unladen) so the AA should be OK to cover it now.
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John Greystrong - 15 Jan 2008 16:55 GMT > Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the vehicle in which case the AA wont collect you.
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Geoff - 15 Jan 2008 17:19 GMT > > Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. > > Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the vehicle > in which case the AA wont collect you. You can not be serious, are you ?
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puffernutter - 15 Jan 2008 17:26 GMT >>> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. >> Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the vehicle >> in which case the AA wont collect you. > > You can not be serious, are you ? Green Flag won't!
My Volvo 940 was shunted in the rear on the M56 about a year ago. It was pushed into the car in front, crease in the roof, headlamps smashed so I called out Green Flag (National Breakdown variant for caravan club members). Everything was OK until I said it was the result of an accident at which point they said that they don't cover that.
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TonyB - 15 Jan 2008 18:31 GMT >>>> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. >>> Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the vehicle [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > members). Everything was OK until I said it was the result of an accident > at which point they said that they don't cover that. Quite right too. It's a breakdown service not an accident service. Your car insurance probably covers recovery of a shunted vehicle.
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puffernutter - 15 Jan 2008 18:41 GMT >>>>> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. >>>> Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > TonyB Well I was broken down and it wasn't my fault. Where's the difference between a car not moving because (for example) the engine has seized and a car not moving because of an accident?
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puffernutter - 15 Jan 2008 18:53 GMT >>>>>> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. >>>>> Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Peter I know, bad form to reply to your own posts, but interestingly now I've read the T&C's for Green Flag, they WILL recover following an accident, they'll just charge you for it - which is fine. But that is not what I was told (or offered) when I phoned them up after the shunt.
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Tim Jones - 16 Jan 2008 12:05 GMT >>>>>> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. >>>>> Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >between a car not moving because (for example) the engine has seized and >a car not moving because of an accident? I'd guess at higher membership fees if they get involved in recovering vehicles after accidents!
Austin Shackles - 16 Jan 2008 14:16 GMT >>>>>>> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. >>>>>> Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >I'd guess at higher membership fees if they get involved in recovering >vehicles after accidents! I think the AA have a fair point - they will recover you but will charge. If there's an insurance claim involved, then recovering that becomes part of the claim.
As for the off-road thing... in the case of a cambelt, it can break anywhere and any time, if you're unlucky. Provided they don't have to recover it from an off-tarmac site, I can't see how they can legitimately refuse. If you tow it to the roadside and then call them, how can they tell what you've been doing?
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Tim Jones - 16 Jan 2008 15:00 GMT >>>>>>>> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. >>>>>>> Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >there's an insurance claim involved, then recovering that becomes part of >the claim. As long as your insurance don't start asking tricky questions about why you didn't phone their helpline to arrange recovery. Decent policies will include a helpline and recovery service, so it's probably best and simpler to use this. It may even be the same vehicle and driver that recover you, but it'll be simpler if it's done by an agent of your insurers at their pre-agreed rate.
SimonJ - 20 Jan 2008 10:31 GMT > Well I was broken down and it wasn't my fault. Where's the difference > between a car not moving because (for example) the engine has seized and a > car not moving because of an accident? Breakdown cover for breakdowns, Insurance cover for accidents, seems pretty straightforward to me!
GbH - 20 Jan 2008 11:43 GMT >> Well I was broken down and it wasn't my fault. Where's the >> difference between a car not moving because (for example) the engine >> has seized and a car not moving because of an accident? >> > Breakdown cover for breakdowns, Insurance cover for accidents, seems > pretty straightforward to me! Shirly, that'd be either Insurance cover for insurance or Accident cover for accidents, no? Maybe not so straightforward?
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hugh - 17 Jan 2008 12:00 GMT >>>> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. >>> Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Peter Breakdown cover is for breakdowns and an accident is not a breakdown so check the small print and also check your insurance cover.
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Smurf - 20 Jan 2008 12:21 GMT >>>> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. >>> Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the vehicle [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Peter August last year I ran my 206 into the back of an MR2, ( was a bit of a mess*)
Rang Green Flag , explained what had happened, told them where I was , 25 mins later were on the back of a lorry and on our way home , no problems at all.
A few years ago on a green laning trip, got up one morning, (camped half way up a byway in Wales) to find a flat battery on the rangerover, rang the AA sure enough out they came , was well funny watching an AA van tooling up a byway with the beacons flashing , but again no probs they just did it
sounds to me like the RAC are out of order
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Ian Rawlings - 20 Jan 2008 12:48 GMT > A few years ago on a green laning trip, got up one morning, (camped half way > up a byway in Wales) to find a flat battery on the rangerover, rang the AA > sure enough out they came , was well funny watching an AA van tooling up a > byway with the beacons flashing , but again no probs they just did it That might be a different situation though because a byway is part of the road network so depending on whether you take the proper definition or the "common sense" definition, isn't off-road. How each organisation would deal with it could come down to the whims of the person on the phone! It's not nice having someone in a call centre making decisions, they're not usually up to it, or they'd not be working in a call centre ;-)
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Rich B - 20 Jan 2008 13:45 GMT Ian Rawlings typed:
> It's not nice having someone in a call centre > making decisions, they're not usually up to it, or they'd not be > working in a call centre ;-) Ding - not fair. I've worked in call centres for the last 8 years until my recent change of job, and there are some bloody good, helpful and knowledgeable people working in them. Don't forget that in some areas a call centre is the only large local employer and a lot of people don't have the luxury of working in a more fulfilling environment. I know that call centres can be a crap experience (for customers AND call centre staff), but that's not the fault of the people who have to work there.
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Ian Rawlings - 20 Jan 2008 14:13 GMT > Ding - not fair. I've worked in call centres for the last 8 years until my > recent change of job, and there are some bloody good, helpful and > knowledgeable people working in them. Yes, the cleaners ;-)
I've not come across anyone clever or helpful in a call centre, I've not worked in one but I've worked behind the scenes on a few stints and the atmosphere at the ones I was at was a real orwellian nightmare, you'd have to be daft or desperate to work there.
> that's not the fault of the people who have to work there. Never said it was, just tarring them all with the "daft" brush, giving them decision-making powers isn't a wise move, thankfully whenever they've done something dumb I've been able to move up the chain to get to someone with some wits.
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Rich B - 20 Jan 2008 14:31 GMT Ian Rawlings typed:
>> Ding - not fair. I've worked in call centres for the last 8 years >> until my recent change of job, and there are some bloody good, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I've not come across anyone clever or helpful in a call centre, I've > not worked in one And I have, which perhaps makes my observations slightly more valid.
> but I've worked behind the scenes on a few stints > and the atmosphere at the ones I was at was a real orwellian > nightmare, you'd have to be daft or desperate to work there. As I said, some people don't have the choice.
>> that's not the fault of the people who have to work there. > > Never said it was, just tarring them all with the "daft" brush, giving > them decision-making powers isn't a wise move, Funny how most people's criticism of call centre staff is that they *aren't* given the power to make meaningful decisions.
> thankfully whenever > they've done something dumb I've been able to move up the chain to get > to someone with some wits. Call centres are one of the plagues of modern society, where businesses hide behind an impenetrable mass of technology and procedure to avoid being really accountable to their customers. In a truly free labour market, very few people would choose to work in one. Some call centre staff are knowledgeable, helpful and have the customer's interest at heart. These three statements are not mutually exclusive.
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hugh - 20 Jan 2008 19:12 GMT >> Ding - not fair. I've worked in call centres for the last 8 years until my >> recent change of job, and there are some bloody good, helpful and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >they've done something dumb I've been able to move up the chain to get >to someone with some wits. But surely the problem is they're not allowed to make decisions - only to read off a script.
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Ian Rawlings - 20 Jan 2008 20:04 GMT > But surely the problem is they're not allowed to make decisions - only > to read off a script. To me that's a blessing, given the hassle I have in getting some of them to grasp what it is I'm trying to do in the first place. An example is my ISP, there's a problem with their radius server that keeps on occuring every now and again that stops my connection coming up, so every few months my connection goes down and someone has to go along and reboot the radius server (they're too lazy to fix it). The call centre monkeys can't grasp any of that and try and go through the script, so you just throw a few googlies at them so they can't cope and you go through to second line. Mentioning that I'm running linux to the first-line lot is a total no-no.
The problem basically is that they're paid peanuts and a result are monkeys, when I was on tech support back in the late 1990s I was paid £40,000 which was a lot back then, but I did develop the services I was being paid to support. We didn't deal with the public, we dealt with companies like Guinness and Lloyds TSB, so we charged a lot of money and they had to get what they were paying for -- proper support.
In today's market for consumer goods the equipment is frequently complicated so there are a lot of people needing help, but to keep the costs down the call centres are staffed with cheap people who basically don't know what they are doing because those who do know wouldn't do the job for the wages. Eventually that happened with my market too and a first and second line of support was developed, the first line thought they knew what they were doing but in reality they were clueless and drove us up the wall with their ham-fisted attempts to do more than they could, and if I'd stayed there we'd have given them scripts to follow and hired people who knew their place.
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Dave Liquorice - 15 Jan 2008 18:35 GMT >>> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. >> >> Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the vehicle >> in which case the AA wont collect you. > > You can not be serious, are you ? Half right, they will recover you but you have to pay:
General Terms & Conditions Clasue 1 n.
http://www.theaa.com/services/breakdowncover/breakdown_terms_conditions.ht ml#generalterms
n) in the event that You require vehicle recovery following an accident, the AA can, if You require, provide this for You but will not be responsible for meeting the costs involved. If the AA does agree to provide recovery in these circumstances You will be responsible for, and required to pay, the AA's charges for this service (including, but not limited to, any charges relating to any specialist equipment used). In the event that, following an accident, You require one of the additional services available under Relay Plus (and You have the relevant cover), the AA can arrange this for You but will not be responsible for any costs involved. You will, therefore, be required to pay on request any applicable charges. In regard to all matters referred to in this clause, You must give the AA, on request, any relevant information it reasonably requests. Please note that, following a road traffic accident, or otherwise, it is and remains Your responsibility to ensure that You properly comply with any requirements of Your motor insurer in making a claim under Your motor insurance policy;
Bastards, when did they change that? I've had the AA pick me up with a broken car in the past. Mind you we are talking maybe 20 years ago...
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Larry - 15 Jan 2008 22:19 GMT My Insurance policy covers breakdown via Axa Assistance UK and I have absolutely no idea what there terms are.
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>> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > John Dieseldes - 15 Jan 2008 23:37 GMT >> Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. > > Which is fine unless you have an accident that immobilises the vehicle in > which case the AA wont collect you. > > Brittania Rescue, YKIMS I would agree with that, though they have also been taken over by an insurance company (London & Victoria IIRC) so we will see if that changes anything...
Having worked for a breakdown company for the last 15yrs or so I wouldn't advise anyone to go to the two 'largest' I have seen how they treat their 'members'!
Also not all Greenflag Memberships are the same, it depends what insurance company are underwriting the policy, some are good, and some quibble for every job! Remember although they are owned by Direct Line they act as an intermediary for other insurance companies. And underwriters such as the Caravan Club who do bend over backwards to help!
Recovery after an accident is an interesting one, some policies will recover you home half way across the UK, some (AA RAC) and others will only recover you to a local garage, and then they send you the bill assuming you will then be claiming back of your insurance!!
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Lee_D - 15 Jan 2008 17:15 GMT Geoff <grt@anoraks.uk.DELETE.net> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> Seems if you have used your vehicle off road they will refuse > recovery irrespective of what broke and how it broke. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. There is an alternative to the AA / RAC and far cheaper too.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/insurance/roadside-recovery
I've posted this in the past but as I'm minted with standard vehicles I currently sit with the AA.
I shall of course lie my pants off (a little white / muddy one) if I break down off road and get towed anywhere.. LOL!
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me2@privacy.net - 15 Jan 2008 19:28 GMT >Seems if you have used your vehicle off road they will refuse >recovery irrespective of what broke and how it broke. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. Geoff,
I would ask the RAC where in there t&c's it states that they will not recover a vehicle that has broken down on the highway that has been off roading. The only clause that I could find is:
Significant Exclusions and Limitations
Assistance is not available for vehicles that have broken down as a result of participation in motor sport activities taking place off road and/or not subject to normal rules of the road, nor vehicles used for hire or reward. See page 20 of the Terms of Membership for further details of this exclusion.
Then on page 20:
General Exclusions
Vehicles which have broken down as a result of taking part in any motor sport event (including, without limitations rallies or stock car racing) which takes place off the road and/or is not subject to the normal rules of the road.
But in the same section it does state:
Vehicles which have broken down anywhere other than on a public highway, or other road or area to which the public have right of access.
The last clause would indicate if you are off roading in an area that has public access then you are covered for breakdown.
Link to t&c's:
https://www.rac.co.uk/web/breakdowncover/uk/terms_and_conditions.pdf
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Rich B - 15 Jan 2008 20:07 GMT me2@privacy.net typed:
> I would ask the RAC where in there t&c's it states that they will not > recover a vehicle that has broken down on the highway that has been [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > used for hire or reward. See page 20 of the Terms of Membership for > further details of this exclusion. Key word - sport. If you have been for a gentle bimble up a green lane, that isn't a "sport" in most people's definition of the word. The examples they give (below) suggest some form of competition. It is surely up to them to prove what you were doing was a sport rather than a short cut up a legal right of way, for example. I can see why they have this exclusion, but it seems to be very badly defined.
Also, if the vehicle is muddy, but you've broken down on the road, who is to say you didn't get it muddy three weeks ago? Or is the offroad exclusion without limit of time, i.e. the vehicle is excluded if it has ever been off the road. In which case, most LRs are going to be excluded, strictly speaking.
> General Exclusions > > - Vehicles which have broken down as a result of taking part in any > motor sport event (including, without limitations rallies or stock car > racing) which takes place off the road and/or is not subject > to the normal rules of the road.
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Si K - 15 Jan 2008 20:56 GMT > me2@privacy.net typed: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> racing) which takes place off the road and/or is not subject >> to the normal rules of the road. or just get a couple of horse headcollars in the boot, and when questioned, you can say "yes I was just doing the horses...."
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>> me2@privacy.net typed: >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > or just get a couple of horse headcollars in the boot, and when > questioned, you can say "yes I was just doing the horses...." Geoff - 16 Jan 2008 09:13 GMT > > - Assistance is not available for vehicles that have broken down as a > > result of participation in motor sport activities taking place off > > road and/or not subject to normal rules of the road, nor vehicles > > used for hire or reward. See page 20 of the Terms of Membership for > > further details of this exclusion. This is what I was told by "Customer Services"
> Also, if the vehicle is muddy, but you've broken down on the road, who is to > say you didn't get it muddy three weeks ago? Or is the offroad exclusion > without limit of time, i.e. the vehicle is excluded if it has ever been off > the road. In which case, most LRs are going to be excluded, strictly > speaking. Their answer to that was I was in a area well known for people breaking things offroad and calling the RAC, the fact it was a cam belt and it snapped on road seems to make no difference.
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nemo2 - 16 Jan 2008 19:09 GMT >> > snipped >Their answer to that was I was in a area well known for people breaking >things offroad and calling the RAC, the fact it was a cam belt and it >snapped on road seems to make no difference. Geoff,
I'm not a lawyer but acording to the RAC t&c's providing you were not taking part in a motor sport, you are covered even if you were off road providing that it's open to the public:
Vehicles which have broken down anywhere other than on a public highway, or other road or area to which the public have right of access.
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hugh - 17 Jan 2008 12:09 GMT >>Seems if you have used your vehicle off road they will refuse >>recovery irrespective of what broke and how it broke. [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >The last clause would indicate if you are off roading in an area that >has public access then you are covered for breakdown. That would definitely seem to include a green lane.
Not sure about a pay and play site on private land. Does that come under the heading of public right of access? ( Doesn't even include the word "Vehicular" so as long as their is a public footpath nearby......??
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Mark Solesbury - 16 Jan 2008 17:31 GMT > Seems if you have used your vehicle off road they will refuse > recovery irrespective of what broke and how it broke. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Policy cancelled, refund claimed, AA joined. I had a long conversation whilst bored in the car today with a man from the RAC customer services.
He assures me that any vehicle is covered, as long as it complies with the following rules.
Is under 18foot long Is less than a specified weight that i cannot remember Is not sign written Is not used for business (on my policy) Is not used for competition use
A patrol man will be sent if the vehicle is stuck on any place that has public access. I strongly mentioned off road situation, but he confidently said the as long as it is plublic access, there will not be a problem.
I asked if the conversation was recorded, and he said yes.
I also asked for it in writing - He said not a problem, something would be in the post.
I shall wait and see...................
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Ian Rawlings - 16 Jan 2008 17:38 GMT > I also asked for it in writing - He said not a problem, something would > be in the post. > > I shall wait and see................... Yes, do let us know, I intend to give them a prod and see what they say too, after Geoff's experience.
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Richard - 16 Jan 2008 19:51 GMT >> I also asked for it in writing - He said not a problem, something would >> be in the post. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yes, do let us know, I intend to give them a prod and see what they > say too, after Geoff's experience. I was a member of the All Wheel Drive Club many years ago solely because it had arranged special cover with RAC for off road activities. At the time I quized the RAC about the extent and reality of the cover and was told, IIRC, that anywhere I could get to, and break down at, they would recover me from without difficulty.
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Howie - 17 Jan 2008 08:34 GMT On a related note..
I broke down on a French motorway a couple of years ago. I had the (hugely expensive) RAC cover for EU countries.
When I called them, they told me that the cover didn't include recovery from a motorway as the gendarmes are in charge there. I would have to pay for recovery off the motorway and then call them. At that point, they would send a recovery truck. If I couldn't resume my journey, they would tow my vehicle to the nearest garage, hire a car (basic: Ford Ka - size) for me to drive to the ferry port, tell me to leave the car there, carry all my belongings onto the ferry as a foot passenger, carry them off again on the UK side, hire me a car in the UK, and get me home. My vehicle would then be 'repatriated' within 4 weeks of the repair being finished.
I was in a transit van, - full of personal belongings and the usual alcohol stash, etc. Luckily, it was a snapped fan-belt and I was able to limp-off at the next junction and a local peugeot garage let me try-out a few from his stock until I found one that fitted. God knows what I would have done if I hadn't been able to solve it myself.
Geoff - 17 Jan 2008 09:29 GMT In article <5v6tc1F1ki5tcU1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Solesbury <marksolesbury@asearchenginethatnowdoeseverythingmail.com> wrote:
> I had a long conversation whilst bored in the car today with a man from > the RAC customer services. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Is under 18foot long Check.
> Is less than a specified weight that i cannot remember ?
> Is not sign written It is sign written.
> Is not used for business (on my policy) Check.
> Is not used for competition use Can be used for competition, tho in this cas it was not.
> I shall wait and see................... I am still in negotiation with them and report back when the matter is resolved.
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Craig - 17 Jan 2008 10:41 GMT >> Seems if you have used your vehicle off road they will refuse recovery >> irrespective of what broke and how it broke. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > I shall wait and see................... You poor buggers.... How can they turn such a simple request for a tow into such a bloody nightmare? Thank God that the RACQ here in Oz isn't tied up in that much red tape... yet.
I was off-roading to circumvent a toll-road a short time ago and got myself bogged to the eyeballs after slipping into a creek. Quick call and the flatbed was on the way - nearly got himself bogged lining up the winch and hauled me out - cost me $120, but he was such a nice bloke about it and it was totally my fault anyway.
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Larry - 18 Jan 2008 18:53 GMT When I skidded into a hedge and got thouroughly embedded couple of Christmases back, the RAC said that if the recovery involved any lifting I would have to pay.
In the event the recovery did involve lifting, but it was a really pleasant guy from the local garage who was contracted, who was called out, and I did not have to pay.
Had to pay for the hedge to be replanted mind :(
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> I had a long conversation whilst bored in the car today with a man from > the RAC customer services. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I shall wait and see................... Geoff - 28 Jan 2008 10:11 GMT > Seems if you have used your vehicle off road they will refuse > recovery irrespective of what broke and how it broke. As a postscript to this, got a cheque in the post this morning for £100, no comments on the points in my letter or any form of apology.
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