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Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the heater plugs to do their worst. My old 200Tdi 110 starts like this err err vroom The 300Tdi Disco I'm about to buy goes err err err err err err err err and I pause and think oh dear, then err err err err err err err vroom I'm being told something about electrical pumps by the vendor and that this is normal. Is this right?  SignatureBill >The 300Tdi Disco I'm about to buy goes >err err err err err err err err and I pause and think oh dear, then >err err err err err err err vroom Sounds about normal for an engine with worn rings! AJH > Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the > heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm being told something about electrical pumps by the vendor and that > this is normal. Is this right? My 300Tdi, when the starter motor isn't playing up, goes err vroom. Could just be glow-plugs, could be a new pump, could be a new engine. There's an awful lot of other ones out there... John >My 300Tdi, when the starter motor isn't playing up, goes err vroom. >Could just be glow-plugs, could be a new pump, could be a new engine. >There's an awful lot of other ones out there... To coin a phrase, err thanks. I'll remember all these words, plus to say "worn rings?" querulously when I call in tomorrow. It's from a reputable, I think, dealer, and otherwise seems to be what I want. Starts OK when warm, and no untoward smoke or anything. SignatureBill >>My 300Tdi, when the starter motor isn't playing up, goes err vroom. >>Could just be glow-plugs, could be a new pump, could be a new engine. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >otherwise seems to be what I want. Starts OK when warm, and no untoward >smoke or anything. could be glowplugs, but a good TDi of either sort should start without except when it's very cold. The 300 TDi here generally started up like your 200 does. If it turns over more than about 4 compressions, there's summat up with it... although glow plugs are a relatively simple/easy fix. 300s can have iffy head gaskets, too. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > The 300Tdi Disco I'm about to buy goes err err err err err err err err > and I pause and think oh dear, then err err err err err err err vroom I had that problem about a month ago. I thought it was a flat battery but it turned out to be worn out glow plugs. Replaced them and starts a treat now. SignatureUsenet replies: To contact me, visit www.vigay.com/feedback/ Life, the Universe, RISC OS Help and Everything - www.vigay.com/ Share and discuss ideas or chat about the above - forum.vigay.com/ Quality Internet, Domain Registration & Hosting - www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/ >Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the >heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I'm being told something about electrical pumps by the vendor and that >this is normal. Is this right? My 200Tdi was doing exactley as you described...bloody air leak in the fuel line ( 3 to be exact)..had to invent a way to presurise the line in order to find them...never had any fuel loss but allowed loads of air into the system.... So it was err err err err err err err ...pause (get some fuel into the pump) err err err err vroom. just a thought ( it was the chaps on here that pointed me in the right direction..for witch I am eternely grateful) John Long tall ugly <mail@smtp.com> uttered summat worrerz funny about: >> Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the >> heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > John I have that T shirt too! :-) Mine was the Rangie Classic type with the picture of the fuel oulet pipe on the tank. Tricky bugger that was to find! Lee D >Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the >heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I'm being told something about electrical pumps by the vendor and that >this is normal. Is this right? I've got a 300Tdi fitted into a Classic Range Rover. It starts after about 3 turns, in cold weather and the glowplugs aren't wired up yet. Alex Hi Boys & Girls If you not happy don't Buy It Regards Skinty >>Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the >>heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Alex > Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the > heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm being told something about electrical pumps by the vendor and that > this is normal. Is this right? Err, do 300Tdi's have an electric pump? I thought it was mechanical .. SignatureRegards Steve G >> Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the >> heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Err, do 300Tdi's have an electric pump? I thought it was mechanical .. The only "electric pump" on a TDi is the late autos which have EDC. However, I don't see that making it slow to start. The transit engines I've had with EDC start instantly with no glowplugs, they don't even have glow plugs fitted. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >>> Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the >>> heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >EDC start instantly with no glowplugs, they don't even have glow plugs >fitted. Errm, well it's a '97 auto TDi, which I suppose might qualify as 'late' (I'll leave others to make jokes about the alternative meaning of late) and the more I think about it the words he used were electronic pump. All I really wanted to know was should it start fairly instantly or if something might be broken. As the saying goes, "My cup runneth over...". Bill SignatureBill >>>> Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the >>>> heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >All I really wanted to know was should it start fairly instantly or if >something might be broken. As the saying goes, "My cup runneth over...". It's quite possible that it's an EDC pump. However, it still should start reasonably quickly. If it's not smoking and the coolant an oils look OK, then I'd suspect glowplugs. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >>>>> Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the >>>>> heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >reasonably quickly. If it's not smoking and the coolant an oils look OK, >then I'd suspect glowplugs. Well, I called in today to drop off the adjustable towing bracket to be teased into place, and this was one of the jobs on my list that they say has been sorted. It was an air leak in the fuel line, but they still maintain that I shouldn't expect it to start as quickly as my 200tdi. We didn't try starting; that excitement will have to wait now till I pick it up next week. I'll only pop up again if the problem hasn't disappeared. Thanks again to all for all the marvellous info. SignatureBill > they still > maintain that I shouldn't expect it to start as quickly as my 200tdi. My 300 Tdi has 330.000 km on the clock and provided battery is good, has always started and starts "err vroom". > >> Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the > >> heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > EDC start instantly with no glowplugs, they don't even have glow plugs > fitted. I've got a 200Tdi and one of the young 'uns has a 300 Tdi and they both start instantly, as soon as you turn the key. His has done 105k and mine's done nearly 300k and they've never had a problem starting. I think he's pulling the wool over your eyes, there's got to be something wrong with it. As far as he says it has an electric pump it could have had an engine conversion from petrol and the pump left in the tank. It may have the rotten steel pipe above the tank unit drawing air in? Martin In message <1S+8OHYFXMjHFwYV@privacy.net>, Bill <me@privacy.net> writes >Quick question about starting from cold after allowing time for the >heater plugs to do their worst. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I'm being told something about electrical pumps by the vendor and that >this is normal. Is this right? Err err err err err err ..I think not. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting |
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