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1954 Series 1 with coil springs??

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Andrew T. - 16 Jan 2008 09:28 GMT
ebay item 170185952512

Seems to have coil springs, but maybe not as we know them... look at
2nd to last picture

Andrew
Marc Draper - 16 Jan 2008 11:05 GMT
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Andrew T. <ferryach@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>ebay item 170185952512
>
>Seems to have coil springs, but maybe not as we know them... look at
>2nd to last picture

God what a crate !!

It was common practice to fit coil "assistor" springs to series vehicles
that carried large loads or towed a lot.

We ran a fleet of series III and Series IIA 109's that all had coil
springs fitted like this between the top of the axle and chassis. But
only generally after the leaf springs had started to sag a little.
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Austin Shackles - 16 Jan 2008 11:36 GMT
>170185952512

I bet it was a garage recovery vehicle and the coil springs have been added
as helpers.  Either that or someone was in the habit of overloading it.

and as series I projects go, that's a heavy one.  There must still be easier
restorations out there...
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Andrew T. - 16 Jan 2008 14:00 GMT
Yes, its in a bad way, as is the other one they have up on ebay. I'm
not tempeted anyway, I'm after a 2 or 2a lwb.

Andrew
hugh - 16 Jan 2008 22:09 GMT
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Andrew T. <ferryach@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Yes, its in a bad way, as is the other one they have up on ebay. I'm
>not tempeted anyway, I'm after a 2 or 2a lwb.
>
>Andrew
I know of a brilliant 1967 109 Safari which may be coming on the market
shortly.

About 10K miles GENUINE from new.
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Andrew T. - 17 Jan 2008 08:57 GMT
> I know of a brilliant 1967 109 Safari which may be coming on the market
> shortly.
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> hugh
> Reply to address is valid at the time of posting

Probably too expensive for me, I'm looking for one which probably
needs a new chassis (to go galvanised) as long as the bulkhaed is
reasonable. There are quite a few on ebay most of the time, just need
to wait for one to be close enough to me.
Andrew
SpamTrapSeeSig - 17 Jan 2008 15:25 GMT
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>About 10K miles GENUINE from new.

<perk>

Where (roughly)?

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Simonm.

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Paul - xxx - 16 Jan 2008 17:32 GMT
Andrew T. wibbled

> ebay item 170185952512
>
> Seems to have coil springs, but maybe not as we know them... look at
> 2nd to last picture

As has been said, coil assist rather than coil sprung.

The two don't look worth the starting price of either to me ... chassis
doesn't look good at all in a couple of pics, BICBW.  Keeping watch on
them, we'd love something like this for our 15 year old to 'do up' and
trial, but 400 for junk is a bit much ... ;)

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Derek - 16 Jan 2008 18:26 GMT
> Andrew T. wibbled
>
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> them, we'd love something like this for our 15 year old to 'do up' and
> trial, but 400 for junk is a bit much ... ;)

So far as I can see the only thing of much value is the registration if
anybody can prove title  anybody taking bets that the wee beastie is SORN'ed
cos if not claiming the bugger could be a nightmare not to mention the
laibility for TAX  btw my pal Dave has two on his farm in better condition
that sheep shelter in.( I wouldn't attempt to restore either one)

Derek
Oily - 16 Jan 2008 18:40 GMT
> > Andrew T. wibbled
> >
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>
> Derek

 I've got one that runs well but it wants some welding and the brakes
sorting.
It's got a 2 1/4 diesel in it with later gearbox, I'll get round to sorting
it when I get some time. 1954 vintage

Martin
Dougal - 16 Jan 2008 19:07 GMT
>>Andrew T. wibbled
>>
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>
> Derek

Isle of Skye - I'd be very surprised if it was SORNd. I'd bet that it
has been pottering around untaxed for years.

There's some tread on the tyres!
SpamTrapSeeSig - 16 Jan 2008 20:26 GMT
>Isle of Skye - I'd be very surprised if it was SORNd. I'd bet that it
>has been pottering around untaxed for years.
>
>There's some tread on the tyres!

I can't see anyone having pottered in that for some while, but the salt
damp air has done for it really.

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Simonm.

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Matt M - 17 Jan 2008 18:34 GMT
> So far as I can see the only thing of much value is the registration if
> anybody can prove title

..even if you can, you still have to get it taxed and MOT'd to be able
to transfer the reg plate, so by the time you've got that up to MOT
standard you're looking at a damn expensive 3x3 reg plate!

Matt
Derek - 17 Jan 2008 19:28 GMT
>> So far as I can see the only thing of much value is the registration if
>> anybody can prove title
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Matt

Not heard that one provided it is SORNed there is no requirement for a
current MOT but you have to be able provide a valid MOT  in order prove it
is a testable vehicle? so I guess the expired MOT would suffice plus have
the vehicles available for inspection , I reckon telling the DVLA it's in
the scottish islands is not going to hack it. Which ever way you look at it
the idea is a none starter much like the car in question and I would
hesitate to put myself in the hands of the DVLA with anything a bit odd I'm
still waiting for Miles' V5 ( or whatever the the digi logbook is called
this week )

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/leaflets/inf46.pdf

Derek
Matt M - 17 Jan 2008 19:38 GMT
> Not heard that one provided it is SORNed there is no requirement for a
> current MOT but you have to be able provide a valid MOT  in order prove it
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> still waiting for Miles' V5 ( or whatever the the digi logbook is called
> this week )

I believe it is to stop people just finding old V5's and claiming that
the vehicle exists so that they can get the (valuable) plate
transferred.  I bought a scooter from eBay a few years back for the
plate, only to find later that it needed an MOT for the transfer -
fortunately I had a friendly MOT garage at hand! (way before the
computerised days) and was able to get hold of one just to transfer the
plate off, don't know if things have changed, but at the time the DVLA
wouldn't do the transfer for me unless it had a current MOT & Tax disc.

Matt
Derek - 17 Jan 2008 20:00 GMT
>> Not heard that one provided it is SORNed there is no requirement for a
>> current MOT but you have to be able provide a valid MOT  in order prove
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Matt

Looks like theres plenty of that going on still if the ebay auctions are owt
to go off  theres usually a few selling the registrations which according to
the form you cannot do without the car. Logic should dicatate if your car
fails its test then you should be able to transfer the cherished number to
the replacement motor before you scrap the old un ,mind you nothing that
shower of tits does would surprise me ( the  govt not dvla mustn't upset
them )
Derek
Austin Shackles - 18 Jan 2008 07:24 GMT
>I believe it is to stop people just finding old V5's and claiming that
>the vehicle exists so that they can get the (valuable) plate
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>plate off, don't know if things have changed, but at the time the DVLA
>wouldn't do the transfer for me unless it had a current MOT & Tax disc.

point about mopeds and such is that the amount of work to get it testable in
order to retrieve the plate is not likely to be too onerous.  unlike a
very-dead SI.
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Tom Woods - 17 Jan 2008 21:00 GMT
> Not heard that one provided it is SORNed there is no requirement for a
> current MOT but you have to be able provide a valid MOT  in order prove it
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/leaflets/inf46.pdf

bastards. Thats a completely different leaflet to the one i got sent
when i tried to get the number off an old car 18 months or so back.Its
dated 09/06 so i assume mine was the previous version or a different
one? (it came with the transfer form)

The leaflet i had definitely said that it had to have a current MOT
rather then just be subject to them. I think posted here about it at the
time too.
My car had run out of MOT so i ended up breaking it. I still have the v5
sorned and the plates in the shed but the car has now long gone so im
stuck :( It is a cool irish number that works upside down too :)
Derek - 17 Jan 2008 22:11 GMT
>> Not heard that one provided it is SORNed there is no requirement for a
>> current MOT but you have to be able provide a valid MOT  in order prove
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> sorned and the plates in the shed but the car has now long gone so im
> stuck :( It is a cool irish number that works upside down too :)

Ideal for a trialler then Tom  :-)
Derek
Tom Woods - 17 Jan 2008 21:01 GMT
> ebay item 170185952512
>
> Seems to have coil springs, but maybe not as we know them... look at
> 2nd to last picture
>
> Andrew

Oooh. property on skye is nice and cheap but i think the commute to here
for work wouldnt be that fun :(
 
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