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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / January 2008SVO and Biofuels Simplification
There was a thread here recently about a change to the regulations from HMRC regarding "small producers" i.e. less that 2,500 litres per year. I was unclear if there was a difference between a "producer" and a "user" in particular I still had concerns that if I used straight SVO (e.g. from Tescos, Makros etc.) I may still be liable to excise duty. Therefore I penned an e-mail (if you can pen an e-mail?) to the HMRC for clarification. I received an e-mail back before Christmas asking for a postal address as they felt it was too complicated to reply by e-mail. I duly replied (although I did wonder is this was an easy way of getting my address to dip my tank:-) nevertheless I sent an e-mail back with my address details. I have just received a written reply from the HMRC and I quote: "I can confirm that if you use less than 2,500 litres of [new or used] straight vegetable oil [SVO] [rapeseed vegetable oil, Tesco cooking oil, etc] per annum as road fuel in your diesel car, you will not have to pay and excise duty to HMRC." "Therefore I would suggest that all receipts of purchase are kept for the fuel that propels your vehicle plus a record in litres of the vegetable oil/biodiesel used in case the 2,500 litres limit per annum is exceeded. Please see public notice 179E section 4.9 to 4.12 for full details." So, whilst it may have been obvious to the rest of you, I am happy now as I have it in writing! Makros here I come! Cheers Peter any chance of emailing me a scanned copy of the letter? (remove obvious spam trap in my email) I'd quite like a copy of it in writing on official paper! :) Ta > any chance of emailing me a scanned copy of the letter? (remove obvious > spam trap in my email) > > I'd quite like a copy of it in writing on official paper! :) > > Ta Now don't rush to step forward ... who's going to be honest and keep receipts for cooking oil over the 2500 litre allowance? It's also not clear from anything that I've seen how the 2500 litres is allocated. As it has been described in relation to 'producer' one has to assume that it is not per vehicle. So per household? per person (any age limit?)? per individual address? Anyone know? >> any chance of emailing me a scanned copy of the letter? (remove obvious >> spam trap in my email) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > assume that it is not per vehicle. So per household? per person (any age > limit?)? per individual address? Anyone know? I have read that a person can be a producer, and therefore hubby and wife can be two producers in the same house - therefore 5000 litres :-) Would need checking tho  SignatureSi K http://www.kentmassive.com - virtual pub for 4x4 and horse types http://www.kmengineering.org - vehicle servicing in Kent >>> any chance of emailing me a scanned copy of the letter? (remove obvious >>> spam trap in my email) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Would need checking tho The whole thing seems very Mel Brooks'ian ( The Producers :-) ) and ill thought out which seems about typical of the way we are governed and served . Another two lots of medical files gone awol and 1/2 million forces recruitment files -brewery outing anyone? Derek >> It's also not clear from anything that I've seen how the 2500 litres is >> allocated. The other thing that some raised else where I think is this 2500l, 2500l of SVO or 2500l once cut with diesel... >> As it has been described in relation to 'producer' one has to assume >> that it is not per vehicle. So per household? per person (any age >> limit?)? per individual address? Anyone know? > > I have read that a person can be a producer, and therefore hubby and > wife can be two producers in the same house - therefore 5000 litres :-) That sort of fits my notion that "a producer" would be a legal entity, that is an individual person or other body considered a legal entity, a Limited Co. for example. Though I suspect HMr&C might take a dim view of husband and wife claiming there 2500l each. SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail >>>It's also not clear from anything that I've seen how the 2500 litres is >>>allocated. > > The other thing that some raised else where I think is this 2500l, 2500l > of SVO or 2500l once cut with diesel... I think that you could argue that it's based on 100 percent SVO - that would tie in with the receipts that they demand. Who's to tell six months down the road whether your one litre of Tesco's best was used neat or diluted with diesel. >>>As it has been described in relation to 'producer' one has to assume >>>that it is not per vehicle. So per household? per person (any age [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Limited Co. for example. Though I suspect HMr&C might take a dim view of > husband and wife claiming there 2500l each. Somewhere there should be an explanation. At the moment it seems to me to be 'per person'. Then you'd presumably have to be careful to have 'sold to him' and 'sold to her' recepits. >> The other thing that some raised else where I think is this 2500l, >> 2500l of SVO or 2500l once cut with diesel... > > I think that you could argue that it's based on 100 percent SVO Having re-read the copy of the letter from HMR&C, yes it is, according to that letter 2500l of SVO. > Somewhere there should be an explanation. At the moment it seems to me > to be 'per person'. Then you'd presumably have to be careful to have > 'sold to him' and 'sold to her' recepits. There should be a definition somewhere but like most things the government do it won't have been throught through properly by someone who understands what is required. I don't think you'd need "sold to him/her" recepits as there is no reference to the SVO being used in any individual vehicle you could put 25l into a hundred cars to 2500l into one... I can't see what is to stop more than 2500l being used in any given vehicle, the limit is on the "producer" not vehicle. SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail > any chance of emailing me a scanned copy of the letter? (remove obvious > spam trap in my email) > > I'd quite like a copy of it in writing on official paper! :) > > Ta I will put it up on my website so that you can all read it / copy it etc. Cheers Peter puffernutter wibbled > > any chance of emailing me a scanned copy of the letter? (remove > > obvious spam trap in my email) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I will put it up on my website so that you can all read it / copy it > etc. Nice one. er ... URL ? ;) SignaturePaul - xxx '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch' '98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed' Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough' > puffernutter wibbled > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ;) !! Give a lad a break will ya! I said I will! I need to take it to work today, not to scan but to convert it to pdf. It will be up somewhere tonight and when it is I will post the URL! Cheers Peter puffernutter wibbled > > puffernutter wibbled > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > convert it to pdf. > It will be up somewhere tonight and when it is I will post the URL! No worries ... ;) SignaturePaul - xxx '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch' '98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed' Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough' >> puffernutter wibbled >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Peter http://www.lmandwr.co.uk/HMRC_SVO.pdf I'll take it down again in a while. Cheers Peter puffernutter wibbled > > > puffernutter wibbled > > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Cheers Appreciated that, and very good news. ;) Thanks. SignaturePaul - xxx '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch' '98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed' Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough' > puffernutter wibbled >> I'll take it down again in a while. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks. Ta! it is indeed a bit vague on whether a 'producer' is a single person, or a single address (it mentions registering your 'premises' if you go over the limit). Not that this is going to trouble me :) > There was a thread here recently about a change to the regulations from > HMRC regarding "small producers" i.e. less that 2,500 litres per year. <snip> > So, whilst it may have been obvious to the rest of you, I am happy now > as I have it in writing! > > Makros here I come! Strangely... I trotted around to Costco for my usual 60 litre "now and again" 25% mix only to see the price had gone up by 50% ! Now going for around 70 (or was it 75) p/l Couldn't be arsed to juggle the big cans and risk dribbling oil on the drive and more often than not my jeans. I think I'll call it a day for my SVO use. We have a 2 chip shops next door to the shop, but juggling old cans of WVO and faffing about with filters and associated mess would also be more hassle than it's worth, so my old beast is back on pure diesel through the books. :¬( Signaturehttp://gymratz.co.uk - Fitness & Gym Equipment/nutrition specialists. http://www.water-rower.co.uk - The ultimate rowing simulator. http://www.BBE-Boxing-Equipment.co.uk - New Boxing Equipment site. http://www.commercial-gym-equipment.co.uk - Commercial Gym Equipment. >> There was a thread here recently about a change to the regulations >>from HMRC regarding "small producers" i.e. less that 2,500 litres per [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >:¬( Still 56p/l for "Pura" rapeseed oil at Tescos here, but they're limiting it to 10l/person/visit - just means taking 2 trolleys round when I shop with the Mrs to get the 35l for my 50% mix. I tried to find a cheaper source for bulk supplies, but the only way I could find to get more than a couple of pence/l saving was by the tanker load - 30,000l :-( Will Signaturee-mail news dot will at lancre dot net '98 300Tdi Defender 110 CSW, 1/12th NB Sometimes PGP Fingerprint E089 1736 A023 9E5C AFA3 0B40 E5DC D80A 9E1F D521 Public key can be obtained from ldap://certserver.pgp.com Will Wilkinson wibbled > > > There was a thread here recently about a change to the > > > regulations from HMRC regarding "small producers" i.e. less that [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > find to get more than a couple of pence/l saving was by the tanker > load - 30,000l :-( That's exactly what we've found. Scrounge round tesco's / Sainsburys and Pura is 56p / litre ... I generally clear [1] the shelves, doesn't seem to have caught on here much. We watched one day, they were re-filled within half an hour! SignaturePaul - xxx '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch' '98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed' Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough' >> There was a thread here recently about a change to the regulations from >> HMRC regarding "small producers" i.e. less that 2,500 litres per year. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >filters and associated mess would also be more hassle than it's worth, >so my old beast is back on pure diesel through the books. yeah, I looked into it a few weeks ago and the days of buying 20-litre drums for a tenner seem to be fast-disappearing. Bearing in mind that I'd only want to run 50% max, if it's costing much more than 50ppl, it's not worth the hassle and effort - bearing in mind that I'd be looking at a 30 or 40 mile journey to collect SVO in bulk, unless I went for real bulk and got a ton of it delivered, but that's a big lump in money terms. Meanwhile the pump price of dino round here is now 111.9 and even the fuel card has gone up this week (having been more or less stable the last 3 weeks) so I don't see any reductions in sight. Pretty soon I'll be on to the council for more money, which won't please them. But the price I'm working for now was set last summer, and the fuel's gone up 10% since then, at least, and frankly, I don't see why I should pay it out of my (small) cut. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! |
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