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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / January 2008Smoke on startup - valve stem oil seals?
Hi, my 200TDi Defender smokes quite bad on start up. I realise this is nothing unusual but it seems to be getting worse. Before I changed the engine oil it was black smoke, now with new oil it's grey and almost white. Is this likely to be just the valve stem oil seals wearing out? If so, is it a fairly straightforward job to take the head off, valves out and change the seals? Cheers, Dave. > Hi, my 200TDi Defender smokes quite bad on start up. I realise this is > nothing unusual but it seems to be getting worse. Before I changed the > engine oil it was black smoke, now with new oil it's grey and almost > white. Is this likely to be just the valve stem oil seals wearing out? Or possibly a dying turbo. >> Hi, my 200TDi Defender smokes quite bad on start up. I realise this >> is nothing unusual but it seems to be getting worse. Before I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Or possibly a dying turbo. Mine let go with blue smoke that could be seen from space ;) > Hi, my 200TDi Defender smokes quite bad on start up. I realise this is > nothing unusual but it seems to be getting worse. Before I changed the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cheers, Dave. yep not its not that difficult to do takes a bit and be careful to torque down the head per the manual, check for the correct head gasket the tab with the holes in is on the offside about halfway back mind you at this time of the year you will get extra condensates when you fire up generally smoke wise white is water, blue is oil, black is overfuelling .but if EMB is correct and an ailing turbo can go on for ages try this - when you stop let the car idle for a little while before you switch off it lets the turbo cool down and allows excess fuel and if its about any oily bits in the intake burn off. Kato starts at lot better if I remember to do that and only puffs a bit. Derek 'Kato' Disco 200tdi 'Miles' Disco 300tdi > mind you at this time of the year you will get extra condensates when > you fire up generally smoke wise white is water, blue is oil, black is > overfuelling . Normally takes a while before any condensate starts to show and it's not what I would call "smoke". Smoke is something that only disperses with the wind it doesn't just "disapper". White smoke I'd put down to unburt fuel.  SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail >>Hi, my 200TDi Defender smokes quite bad on start up. I realise this is >>nothing unusual but it seems to be getting worse. Before I changed the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > 'Kato' Disco 200tdi > 'Miles' Disco 300tdi That's a good shout about letting the turbo cool down - how long do you think it should idle? I think I need to get an assistant to accurately assess the smokiness and colour. Dave. >>>Hi, my 200TDi Defender smokes quite bad on start up. I realise this is >>>nothing unusual but it seems to be getting worse. Before I changed the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Dave. I only run it for a minute or two seems to do the job Kato has that dark blue privacy glass even the ruddy mirrors are tinted so I have to walk round the back to see owt, dead handy if I need to give Madonna a lift ( I wish) . Derek > Hi, my 200TDi Defender smokes quite bad on start up. I realise this is > nothing unusual but it seems to be getting worse. Before I changed the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cheers, Dave. Is it really lumpy / rough running when it first runs? If so, when my 200tdi did this it was a leaky injector that was dripping into the cylinder overnight and causing white smoke on startup. Get someone so start it and see if the smoke smells of diesel. SignatureMark 1996 90 300tdi 1987 RR V8 EFI 2007 Golf GT http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules! http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox http://ietab.mozdev.org/ - IE tab. Get Windows updates in Firefox > Get someone so start it and see if the smoke smells of diesel. If it is unburnt fuel you could start it and walk round the back for a sniff. SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail >> Hi, my 200TDi Defender smokes quite bad on start up. I realise this >> is nothing unusual but it seems to be getting worse. Before I changed [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Get someone so start it and see if the smoke smells of diesel. It's not lumpy at all, starts first turn and runs smoothly, and I don't think it's got an unburnt diesel smell but I've never exactly deliberately sniffed it to be fair :-) I'll get SWMBO to help out next time I start it up. Thanks, Dave. |
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