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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / January 2008

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Disco 1 - Dippy auto question

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Bill - 26 Jan 2008 17:03 GMT
Continuing my list of questions, I now have the Disco 1 300Tdi auto and
have been attempting to check all its vital fluids. All seems well, but
the auto box fluid level seems very high. Does this matter?
The handbook is a little vague. I start the engine, put the lever from
park to 1 and back, stop the engine and pull the dipstick, wipe and dip
again. Is this right? The book doesn't specifically say whether the
engine should be running or stopped when dipping for level.

What is good is that I've done my first mpg calculations and am getting
just over 28mpg on the mixed driving so far and without trying
particularly hard.
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Dougal - 26 Jan 2008 19:32 GMT
> Continuing my list of questions, I now have the Disco 1 300Tdi auto and
> have been attempting to check all its vital fluids. All seems well, but
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> again. Is this right? The book doesn't specifically say whether the
> engine should be running or stopped when dipping for level.

Normal operating temperature, engine running, 'N' selected.

> What is good is that I've done my first mpg calculations and am getting
> just over 28mpg on the mixed driving so far and without trying
> particularly hard.
SteveG - 26 Jan 2008 19:38 GMT
> Continuing my list of questions, I now have the Disco 1 300Tdi auto and
> have been attempting to check all its vital fluids. All seems well, but
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> just over 28mpg on the mixed driving so far and without trying
> particularly hard.

Hi Bill,

The way I have always read the users manual is that you check the oil
with the engine running at idle, having moved the selector from "P"
through the gears to "1" and back to "P" again.

I'm impressed with your mpg figures - wish I could get that out of mine ;-(

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Oily - 26 Jan 2008 22:55 GMT
> > Continuing my list of questions, I now have the Disco 1 300Tdi auto and
> > have been attempting to check all its vital fluids. All seems well, but
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> with the engine running at idle, having moved the selector from "P"
> through the gears to "1" and back to "P" again.

Except that you should end up in N after selecting all gears. If you stop
the engine and come back later to check it without running it first you'll
probably find the oil is about 1" over the full mark.

Martin
SteveG - 27 Jan 2008 11:48 GMT
> Except that you should end up in N after selecting all gears.

Shame it doesn't actually say that in the handbook though :-)
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hugh - 27 Jan 2008 20:04 GMT
>> Except that you should end up in N after selecting all gears.
>
>Shame it doesn't actually say that in the handbook though :-)
Does in my Defender.
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hugh - 27 Jan 2008 20:04 GMT
>> > Continuing my list of questions, I now have the Disco 1 300Tdi auto and
>> > have been attempting to check all its vital fluids. All seems well, but
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>
>Martin

SO why don't they make life simpler fore everyone and put the mark an
inch further up?
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Oily - 27 Jan 2008 22:17 GMT
> >> > Continuing my list of questions, I now have the Disco 1 300Tdi auto and
> >> > have been attempting to check all its vital fluids. All seems well, but
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> SO why don't they make life simpler fore everyone and put the mark an
> inch further up?

I suppose it's because it can vary depending on where and how long it's been
parked for instance, as the idea of selecting all the gears is to fill all
the pipes and valves etc. before checking what's in the oil pan (sump). If I
couldn't be arsed running mine or was short of time I would take a quick
look to see if was still an inch above the mark.

Martin
Austin Shackles - 27 Jan 2008 14:08 GMT
>Continuing my list of questions, I now have the Disco 1 300Tdi auto and
>have been attempting to check all its vital fluids. All seems well, but
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>again. Is this right? The book doesn't specifically say whether the
>engine should be running or stopped when dipping for level.

start with it cold, fire up, move it slowly (a second or two in each place)
down to 1 and back up to N, leave engine running and dip the oil.  Don't
check it with engine stopped.

Oh, and in general, don't leave it idling in N or P for extended periods. If
you really want to leave it idling, put it in D and the transfer in N.
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Bill - 27 Jan 2008 17:59 GMT
>start with it cold, fire up, move it slowly (a second or two in each
>place) down to 1 and back up to N, leave engine running and dip the
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>periods. If you really want to leave it idling, put it in D and the
>transfer in N.

Thanks to Austin, Steve G and others. Did this before I set off this
morning for a long round trip, and it still seems a little deep, but
much less alarming than when I checked it with the engine stopped.

Thanks for the advice about idling. I did indeed tend to leave the old
Defender idling for most of the afternoon, when moving boats in tractor
mode.
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hugh - 27 Jan 2008 20:06 GMT
>>Continuing my list of questions, I now have the Disco 1 300Tdi auto and
>>have been attempting to check all its vital fluids. All seems well, but
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>Oh, and in general, don't leave it idling in N or P for extended periods. If
>you really want to leave it idling, put it in D and the transfer in N.
Why's that please.
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EMB - 28 Jan 2008 05:43 GMT
> Why's that please.

Saves the auto sitting there slipping it's clutches and brake bands and
effectively wearing itself out.
Austin Shackles - 28 Jan 2008 13:56 GMT
>> Why's that please.
>
>Saves the auto sitting there slipping it's clutches and brake bands and
>effectively wearing itself out.

Badger can confirm, this is part of it but there's a specific wear issue
which is caused by extended idling in neutral, and from the gear-shifting
POV, neutral and park are, I think, the same.  
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Badger - 28 Jan 2008 16:32 GMT
> >> Why's that please.
> >
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> which is caused by extended idling in neutral, and from the gear-shifting
> POV, neutral and park are, I think, the same.

In any forward gear, the main forward drive clutch ("A" clutch) is made. In
"N" or "P" it isn't, however there is a known wear issue with two sintered
steel piston-ring type shaft seals in the back of the oil pump area that run
inside the torque convertor stator shaft. Oil pressure can bleed from the
pump past the rear seal causing a slight pressure to be applied to the "A"
clutch, causing it to slip but not fully engage. This wears it out
relatively quickly.
A quick test for wear in the piston ring seals is to ensure the 'box is at
normal operating temp, engage "N", and with the vehicle sitting on level
ground with all brakes off, raise the rpm slowly. If the vehicle starts to
creep forward at all before you get to roughly 3000rpm, then the seals are
worn. DO NOT hold the revs up waiting, you will cause wear!! The box will
continue to work like this for a long time, as long as you don't let it sit
in "N" or "P" for long periods with the engine running. There is a permanent
cure, but it involves a box stripdown..... replace seals with teflon ones
and do a modification to the "A" clutch drum and valve body.
BTW, no brake bands in a ZF, just multiplate clutches (7) and epicyclic
geartrains (3, from memory) and sprag clutches (2?)!
Badger.
 
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