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Bill - 26 Jan 2008 21:43 GMT
So, in the Omega we have a nice English lady who tells me firmly where
to go plus a very severe German lady who tells me where the cameras were
before they started charging for updates. It sounds as though she might
dole out severe discipline if we ignore her.  We men really like both
ladies. It's the old Aldi PDA + aerial device.

In the Defender we had a £19.99 thing from Staples which tells either
the speed and direction (useful with the speedo in the Defender) or the
position (useful in the boat). In the Disco, this is OK, but I feel the
need for a real device that has voice and pics.

SWMBO likes the Disco and has said that we need a proper SatNav for it,
so while the iron hand is hot, I need to strike.

Has anyone bought and loves any of the recent cheapo devices? The voice
directions are the crucial bit, and it would be nice if it could run on
internal batteries from time to time. Even better if it could be set to
read Lat and Long for in the boat, but the Staples one will do that, so
not essential. I've looked round Halfords and a big Tesco, but it's all
a bit of a blur. I'm not even sure how you poke in the directions on
these things with a small screen and no visible stylus to enter stuff
into a virtual keyboard. I only intend to drive around the UK, so only
need a little map, although it would be useful to be able to update
'stuff'.

Any info or pointers to good units to research gratefully received.
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Ian Rawlings - 26 Jan 2008 22:35 GMT
> SWMBO likes the Disco and has said that we need a proper SatNav for it,
> so while the iron hand is hot, I need to strike.

I quite like tomtom on a mobile phone, on some phones it'll use the
internal GPS so you've always got your satnav with you.  If you get a
windows mobile then you can run memory map on it too.  Make sure your
phone is supported though, I use symbian phones and memory map won't
run on those, and tomtom won't recognise the internal GPS in some of
them yet.  For simply finding out where you are, you might find that
google maps will run on your phone and find your location with varying
accuracy without a GPS by triangulating your position from the mobile
phone masts it can find.  You can't use it to do turn-by-turn
navigation though and it won't work without a data connection but it
can be useful just to show you where you are.  Works best on 3G phones
though, and with 3 being pretty widespread and having good deals now,
I'm not convinced of a need to stick with 2G any more.

The handy thing about phones is that you're probably going to get a
new one anyway sometime, so if you are, try and get one that can do
satnav, if so then you'll almost get it for free as you were going to
end up shelling out as part of your phone contract for another phone
anyway.  Nokia has nokia maps preinstalled or downloadable for free
which works, but voice navigation is extra, £45 for a year, or £6 for
a month.  It's basic software but functional.

As for GPS units themselves, if there's none built into the phone then
you can get sirfstar III chipset based ones on fleabay brand new for
£25 including postage, and maplins are doing a nifty looking thing
that I'd quite like if it wasn't £60, a bluetooth GPS that projects
direction and speed onto your windscreen, giving you a heads-up
display ;-)

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Derek - 26 Jan 2008 22:54 GMT
> So, in the Omega we have a nice English lady who tells me firmly where to
> go plus a very severe German lady who tells me where the cameras were
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>
> Any info or pointers to good units to research gratefully received.

I got a cheap one from Evesham a BlueMedia 6300 mk2 dead cheap now  on
Amazon ( checks website) jeez from 44.99  normal satnav mode pointers
piccies and both speed and direction distance tg,  time tg, etc etc and if
you just run the sat status mode it gives long and lat runs about 3 hours on
batts with everything on high. It replaces a Navman Pin 570 pda sat nav
which was a total POS locking up faster than Arkwright sent off and replaced
still didn't work. Customer Disservice dept that belong in 'the Office' and
denied any issues yeh right check the feedback on Amazon -w.nkers I will not
touch their crap again. Oh aye before I forget that BM6300 is rebadged and
sold elsewhere usually very competitively priced.

Derek
Dave Liquorice - 26 Jan 2008 23:34 GMT
The orginal post doesn't appear to have found it's way to me via NIN for
some reason, hence the odd attribution...

>> I've looked round Halfords and a big Tesco, but it's all a bit of a
>> blur.

Aye there are hundreds of the things about now aren't there? I think the
only sensible approach is to ask yourself what do you want it for and what
features would be useful?

I guess the really cheapo ones will be limited in feature set, I wouldn't
get one that didn't do full (7 digit) postcode entry for example. You
might get away with only sector level (AA1 1..) in towns but in the sticks
that could be an area 10 miles in radius...

>> I'm not even sure how you poke in the directions on these things with a
>> small screen and no visible stylus to enter stuff into a virtual
>> keyboard.

The screens are touch sensitive you prod 'em with yer finger...

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Oily - 26 Jan 2008 23:01 GMT
> So, in the Omega we have a nice English lady who tells me firmly where
> to go plus a very severe German lady who tells me where the cameras were
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>
> Any info or pointers to good units to research gratefully received.

My Tom-Tom does all that, and it's ageing a bit now.

Martin
Mark Solesbury - 26 Jan 2008 23:22 GMT
> So, in the Omega we have a nice English lady who tells me firmly where
> to go plus a very severe German lady who tells me where the cameras were
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>
> Any info or pointers to good units to research gratefully received.

Just upgraded from a TomTom One version 1, the black one, to the new one
version 3.

Wicked little thing - £120.

Would not be without it.

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Dougal - 26 Jan 2008 23:55 GMT
>> So, in the Omega we have a nice English lady who tells me firmly where
>> to go plus a very severe German lady who tells me where the cameras
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>
> Would not be without it.

Morgan Computer have some factory rework SatNavs including TomToms
http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/

The TomTom that I got was indistinguishable from new.

They currently have both the TT One v2 and v3. Functionwise I don't
think there's much in it but featurewise you may prefer the v2 rather
the v3. Check carefully if you decide to jump.
Richard - 27 Jan 2008 13:46 GMT
>>> So, in the Omega we have a nice English lady who tells me firmly
>>> where to go plus a very severe German lady who tells me where the
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> think there's much in it but featurewise you may prefer the v2 rather
> the v3. Check carefully if you decide to jump.

Absolutely lurve my Garmin Zumo 550.  But take a very deep breath and
shut your eyes before writing the cheque.  Bought it mainly for bike
use.  But it's still good in the car.

I like the TomTom presentation but prefer the flexibility of the Garmin.
 Remember Garmin pretty much invented these toys, er essential pieces
of kit, for boats and planes long before car drivers forgot how to use maps!

Richard
Bill - 27 Jan 2008 21:55 GMT
>Absolutely lurve my Garmin Zumo 550.  But take a very deep breath and
>shut your eyes before writing the cheque.  Bought it mainly for bike
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>pieces of kit, for boats and planes long before car drivers forgot how
>to use maps!
Hmm, I'm still trying to research, but my ancient boaty one is Magellan
rather than Garmin. It eats batteries and only talks waypoints. It also
came from a boat chandlers who assume their clients are rich.

I'm confused by the Garmin ones. There seem to be 3 separate ranges,
which seem to have much the same facilities. One son has a Nuvo 361 (?)
which he likes, but it seemed to me that every few miles it said
something like 'recalculating the route'. I prefer fewer words and more
action from my virtual ladies as they lead me on. To be fair, he has it
hidden in the depths of his Elise out of sight, so it's a wonder it sees
any satellites at all.

I'm still a bit concerned about the poking at a touch sensitive screen
bit. Does this really work OK for entering addresses? My fingers swell a
bit after exposure to salt water, and I have nails on one hand from my
ongoing failed attempts at fingerstyle guitar playing.

So many doubts, so little time. Perhaps a trip to Comet to try not buy
tomorrow will help.
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Richard - 27 Jan 2008 23:08 GMT
> I'm still a bit concerned about the poking at a touch sensitive screen
> bit. Does this really work OK for entering addresses? My fingers swell a
> bit after exposure to salt water, and I have nails on one hand from my
> ongoing failed attempts at fingerstyle guitar playing.

In the case of my Garmin Zumo 550, the buttons are large and the address
entry buttons become even larger when it is attached to a motorbike.
The screen requires a firm tap to selct each 'button', possibly because
of it's intended use.  Garmin explicitly warn against using any type of
stylus except when stationary.   My friend uses a stylus with his
TomTom, odd really as it was supplied with a remote control.

You can buy additional aerials for many of the units.

HTH

Richard
Bill - 28 Jan 2008 21:31 GMT
Many thanks to everyone. Just went out to look, but I've now done the
deed. I looked in Curry's, but that was hopeless, then walked along to
Comet, where there was a Garmin Nuvi 360T for £118, which was at least
as cheap as anywhere I'd been looking at on the net. Bought and took it
home to find that the battery seemed to have lost any desire to live,
there was a missing mains psu, and the unit was totally blind to
satellites, even when put on the Disco roof away from the trees.
Took it back and stood at the three tills alongside two others returning
a faulty vacuum cleaner and something Philips that had totally the wrong
thing inside when they opened the box. My young lady assistant poked at
the till and called another across, saying I'd paid £100 too little. A
small meeting was called, and they rejected my suggestion that they
refund what I should have paid. Then it was discovered that several of
the price labels were wrong in the display cabinet. Finally, I walked
out with a Nuvi 300T at the same price, which, not quite as big a
bargain, but again seems within striking distance of good value.

I've spent the afternoon and evening testing, updating and driving.
First impressions were that the display and finger access were good, but
the voice was absolutely awful. A female dalek would be mellifluous by
comparison. Some words like "In" sounded like a croaking click. An
update seems to have cured this, and I'm now pretty happy. Not tried the
traffic updates yet, though.
It's very sensitive, and worked when stuffed down in the Disco ashtray,
which has to be excellent. It's also of a size that will be easy to put
next to the old bolts and spanners in my coat pocket when leaving the
vehicle.

I'm really grateful for all the suggestions here, and have followed them
all up and thought long and hard. I very nearly went for the £44.99
suggestion, but wasn't quite brave enough.
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Ian Rawlings - 28 Jan 2008 14:34 GMT
> I'm still a bit concerned about the poking at a touch sensitive screen
> bit. Does this really work OK for entering addresses? My fingers swell a
> bit after exposure to salt water, and I have nails on one hand from my
> ongoing failed attempts at fingerstyle guitar playing.

It worked fine on my 910, I just used to use the top of my fingernail
which works no matter how long or short your fingers are and avoids
getting muck on the screen.  The only time I ever needed to worry
about scratching the screen was when dragging things on the screen and
that didn't happen often.  My 910 was sold with an unmarked screen
despite seeing quite a lot of use.

Go into a store and try entering in a few postcodes, go to browse map
and use the find option rather than using "navigate to" as the unit in
the shop probably won't have a GPS fix so might just sit there waiting
for the GPS before showing you anything useful.

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Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com - 29 Jan 2008 16:04 GMT
> Hmm, I'm still trying to research, but my ancient boaty one is Magellan
> rather than Garmin. It eats batteries and only talks waypoints. It also
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> So many doubts, so little time. Perhaps a trip to Comet to try not buy
> tomorrow will help.

I'd suggest you narrow down your options to TomTom or Garmin.  You
won't go wrong with either but the interfaces are vastly different and
many swear by one or the other.  Best advice is to try both.  I prefer
TomTom's interface but that is just a personal preference.

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René Løweneck - 29 Jan 2008 05:18 GMT
Hi Bill !

> Any info or pointers to good units to research gratefully received.

You would proberbly love the Magellan Crossover GPS.

Kind Regards

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