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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / February 2008

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solar panels to keep battery topped up?

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Jonathan Spencer - 29 Jan 2008 09:02 GMT
I know it was discussed recently but I didn't save the thread.  Mea
Culpa.

My Series III is sitting idle in my garage and I'd like to keep the
battery charged.  What was the consensus (was there one) on using a
solar panel to trickle charge the battery?  What I'm thinking of doing
is fitting a panel/panels to the front of the garage wall (it's brick)
and having a socket of some kind inside from which I can trail a cable
to the LR or any other battery (e.g. the one off my boat).

Related question.  I'd like to fit a solar panel to the roof of my 16'
fishing boat, to keep that battery charged too.

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Dave Liquorice - 29 Jan 2008 09:26 GMT
> I know it was discussed recently but I didn't save the thread.  Mea
> Culpa.

groups.google.com/advanced_search  B-)

I've got the £20ish 1.5W Maplin jobbie attached to the generator to keep
it topped up I'll only know that it hasn't done that in a couple of years
time in a power cut.

It would do a better job if it didn't have a stupid flashing LED.
Monitoring the output voltage when the LED is on there is naff all
voltage, LED off just enough to put a tiddle into the battery. As the LED
has a rough 50% duty cycle, 50% of the gathered power is wasted...

The Carlisle store had a bigger panel(s, might have had two or three) in
their clearance heap on Thursday last week at £99ish about £20 off not
sure of the power but the box was about 4' x 1' so maybe the 18W one? That
would fit the price as well.

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JD - 29 Jan 2008 10:07 GMT
> I know it was discussed recently but I didn't save the thread.  Mea
> Culpa.
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> Related question.  I'd like to fit a solar panel to the roof of my 16'
> fishing boat, to keep that battery charged too.

I have a six watt panel that keeps my tractor battery topped up, seems to
work well. My boat has a pair of forty watt panels on the top of the
wheelhouse.  Both seem to work well.

John
Mark Solesbury - 29 Jan 2008 10:11 GMT
>> I know it was discussed recently but I didn't save the thread.  Mea
>> Culpa.
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>
> John

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=98358&C=Maplin&U=SearchTop&T=solar&
doy=29m1


Works Well :)

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Jonathan Spencer - 29 Jan 2008 10:45 GMT
>> I have a six watt panel that keeps my tractor battery topped up, seems to
>> work well. My boat has a pair of forty watt panels on the top of the
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>http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=98358&C=Maplin&U=SearchTop&
>T=solar&doy=29m1

I had a search round.  The above appears to be the same as this one, at
half the price.  I'll get it ordered.

http://www.sailgb.com/p/solar_powered_12v_battery_trickle_charger/

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Andrew T. - 29 Jan 2008 11:12 GMT
On 29 Jan, 10:45, Jonathan Spencer <j...@jonathan-spencer.co.uk>
wrote:

> I had a search round.  The above appears to be the same as this one, at
> half the price.  I'll get it ordered.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> A good reputation is more valuable than money.
> Publilius Syrus (~100 BC), Maxims

Take care -  there's no spec that I could see, what is the rating??

Andrew
John Williamson - 29 Jan 2008 11:18 GMT
> On 29 Jan, 10:45, Jonathan Spencer <j...@jonathan-spencer.co.uk>
> wrote:
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>
> Andrew
For what it's worth, follow the picture reference back to Maplin, & you
get here:-

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=l58bf&source=15&SD=Y

The 1.5 watt unit. Closes the circle, I think.

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Paul - xxx - 29 Jan 2008 14:13 GMT
John Williamson wibbled

> > On 29 Jan, 10:45, Jonathan Spencer <j...@jonathan-spencer.co.uk>
> > wrote:
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>
> The 1.5 watt unit. Closes the circle, I think.

... and I thought Maplins was pretty good.  ;)

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Tom Woods - 29 Jan 2008 15:31 GMT
For anybody using the maplins ones - me and a mate both have them in
our motors too.

I have only ever seen the blue light flashing - but he managed to find
some sun in the summer and says that in proper sun it comes on
solidly!.

Which makes me assume that they very little charging unless its proper
sunny..
Dave Liquorice - 29 Jan 2008 16:52 GMT
> I have only ever seen the blue light flashing - but he managed to find
> some sun in the summer and says that in proper sun it comes on
> solidly!.
>
> Which makes me assume that they very little charging unless its proper
> sunny..

Time for the wire cutters I think. Mine will never see full sun as the
garage is on the north side of the house.

If the circuitry is real, rather than a bit of silicon under a lump of
resin, some adjustment of the flashing rate and duty cycle might be in
order. A short flash every 30s would be more than enough as a "confidence"
indicator.

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Paul - xxx - 29 Jan 2008 17:56 GMT
Dave Liquorice wibbled

> > I have only ever seen the blue light flashing - but he managed to
> > find some sun in the summer and says that in proper sun it comes on
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> be in order. A short flash every 30s would be more than enough as a
> "confidence" indicator.

Being an electrical numpty (yes, I mean me, not you!) is it likely that
one could just cut the led out and release the latent, humongous, extra
power available?

Or (more likely I suspect) would one have to resort to soldering
another wire in to bridge the gap?

Despite being a numpty, I raced model cars to European levels and can
handle a soldering iron and follow instructions down to a very small
level, track re-building for instance.  I just don't know what most
components actually 'do' for the circuits I butcher ... ;)

Mind, if you can work out how to change the duty cycle and post the
info back here I'd be obliged, as it does sound a bit more of an
elegant solution than hacking the led out ... ;)

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Jonathan Spencer - 31 Jan 2008 18:31 GMT
>>http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=98358&C=Maplin&U=SearchTop&
>>T=solar&doy=29m1
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>http://www.sailgb.com/p/solar_powered_12v_battery_trickle_charger/

They arrived today, for £24.93 delivered.  Look pretty neat.
Weatherproof.  Can be wall-mounted using two screws, or stuck on the
inside of a windscreen using the supplied suckers.  The cable is 2.75m
long.  Using the supplied crocodile clips, I could connect them in
parallel to provide 3w charge.  But I'll put one on my boat and the
other on the old tractor, I mean, Land-Rover.

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Tom Woods - 02 Feb 2008 10:07 GMT
>>> http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=98358&C=Maplin&U=SearchTop&
>>> T=solar&doy=29m1
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> parallel to provide 3w charge.  But I'll put one on my boat and the
> other on the old tractor, I mean, Land-Rover.

The suckers dont suck enough and it will fall off!. Mine is now (almost)
mounted on a bit of scrap ally which clips/wedges infront of my
passenger windscreen.

Where does it say it is weatherproof? Im sure that the identical looking
maplin one i have says it isnt weatherproof! (else id just stick it
outside on the roof!)
Jonathan Spencer - 02 Feb 2008 11:45 GMT
>>> I had a search round.  The above appears to be the same as this one,
>>>at half the price.  I'll get it ordered.
>>>
>>> http://www.sailgb.com/p/solar_powered_12v_battery_trickle_charger/
>>  They arrived today, for £24.93 delivered.  Look pretty neat.
>>Weatherproof.

>The suckers dont suck enough and it will fall off!. Mine is now
>(almost) mounted on a bit of scrap ally which clips/wedges infront of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>looking maplin one i have says it isnt weatherproof! (else id just
>stick it outside on the roof!)

Good point.  I had been looking at lots of them, many for permanently
fitting to boats.  They are not only weatherproof but can handle salt
water.  I'd obviously mixed them up with this unit.

Here is Maplin's (potentially confusing) FAQ:

Q) Is the unit waterproof and suitable for fitting to a garage roof to
trickle charge a car inside? - Ian

A) Yes, but it is not waterproof.

So it can be externally mounted, water will get in, but it shouldn't
harm the unit.  Hmmm.

I've emailed sailgb for clarification.

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Andrew T. - 29 Jan 2008 11:10 GMT
Hi, it was me who asked the same question a few months ago. In the end
I bought ebay item 140181679436 - I decided to buy the most powerful I
could justify etc. so far it seems to work well even inside a car port
(made from polytunnel plastic) in the middle of winter up here in NW
Scotland. The LR (V8) was left standing unused for 2 months and it
started no problem.
Can't say of course if this was down to the solar panel or not, but I
think it helped, previously I always had problems starting.
No connection with seller etc etc.

Andrew
Nige - 29 Jan 2008 12:04 GMT
> I know it was discussed recently but I didn't save the thread.  Mea
> Culpa.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Related question.  I'd like to fit a solar panel to the roof of my 16'
> fishing boat, to keep that battery charged too.

I have one, it works a treat on the P38. Cost £10 off ebay.
 
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