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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / March 2008petrol vs diesel
This may be a silly question, but why is diesel more expensive than petrol? Wasnt it round the other way a few years ago? Richard > This may be a silly question, but why is diesel more expensive than > petrol? > Wasnt it round the other way a few years ago? Politics. There was a fuss some years ago about particulates in diesel and so the UK government decided to discourage the use of the stuff in private cars by putting the tax up. Everywhere sane it's cheaper.  SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. William Black typed: >> This may be a silly question, but why is diesel more expensive than >> petrol? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the UK government decided to discourage the use of the stuff in > private cars by putting the tax up. Having previously encouraged us through lower fuel duty to buy diesel cars because they were *better* for the environment. Apparently, diesel in a modern efficient diesel car is a threat to the future of the planet, whereas the same fuel burnt in a smoky old bus is going to save mankind from its greed and ignorance. It always riles me that diesel is far cheaper to refine, but costs more at the pumps. > Everywhere sane it's cheaper. Indeed, although calling the French "sane" is stretching it a bit. SignatureRich B Take out the obvious to email me. A life? Cool - where can I download one of those? > This may be a silly question, but why is diesel more expensive than petrol? > Wasnt it round the other way a few years ago? Because it became popular, and the govt then decided they could screw the motorist by increasing the tax on it above the rate increase on petrol under a guise of it being less environmentally friendly as it released more particulates when burnt. (despite for years saying it was more environmentally friendly because you used less of it) Matt >> This may be a silly question, but why is diesel more expensive than >> petrol? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Matt ... is the right answer! >This may be a silly question, but why is diesel more expensive than petrol? There have been so many changes to how road fuels are taxed that I cannot keep up but back in the early nineties the EU proposed a europe wide carbon tax on fuels. This effectively hit derv harder as it has a higher carbon content than petrol. AJH > This may be a silly question, but why is diesel more expensive than > petrol? > Wasnt it round the other way a few years ago? > > Richard You are right ! in the fifties is was half the price of Gas !!! bmc > > This may be a silly question, but why is diesel more expensive than > > petrol? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > bmc AFAIR In the mid fifties diesel was 4 shillings and 1 farthing per gallon. Pool petrol (as it was called but meant crap really) was about 3 shillings and 9 pence and decent petrol was around 4 shillings and 5 pence which relates to approximately 20p diesel, 19p cheap petrol and 22p for top grade petrol, all prices per gallon. Martin > AFAIR In the mid fifties diesel was 4 shillings and 1 farthing per gallon. > Pool petrol (as it was called but meant crap really) was about 3 shillings [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Martin You're right: Prices in old pennies per gallon, 240 pennies made a pound. 1951 39.75 47.80% 1952 51.00 62.74% 1953 53.45 56.13% 1954 53.50 56.07% 1955 54.50 55.04% 1956 64.00 56.25% 1957 61.00 52.00% 1958 56.33 53.28% 1959 Unavailable 1960 55.83 53.73% 1961 58.50 56.41% 1962 58.50 56.41% 1963 57.00 57.89% 1964 60.50 59.50% 1965 62.00 53.22% 1966 65.00 60.00% I remember saying I'd give up driving when it got to a pound - a gallon!! TonyB >I remember saying I'd give up driving when it got to a pound - a gallon!! > >TonyB bloody 1.15 a litre for diesel up the road, now. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >>I remember saying I'd give up driving when it got to a pound - a gallon!! >> >>TonyB > > bloody 1.15 a litre for diesel up the road, now. Yeah, same in north Norfolk today, but Waitrose at Swaffham were only 106p so I filled up there. TonyB >> bloody 1.15 a litre for diesel up the road, now. > > Yeah, same in north Norfolk today, but Waitrose at Swaffham were only > 106p so I filled up there. Tesco Carlisle has been a fairly steady 106/107 for several weeks (just paid 101.9 with the 5p off coupon...). Other garages I pass are generally below 110, though I expect the two local ones are well over 110 may even be pushing 120. SignatureCheers Dave. > >> bloody 1.15 a litre for diesel up the road, now. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > below 110, though I expect the two local ones are well over 110 may even > be pushing 120. I noticed the front page on Friday's Express said petrol at £1.50 per litre by the end of the year, if they carry on as they are it will be before the end of next month! Martin > I noticed the front page on Friday's Express said petrol at £1.50 per > litre > by the end of the year, if they carry on as they are it will be before the > end of next month! If Gordon Brown walked on water the Daily Express would have a headline saying 'Gordon Brown fails to wash'. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >> >> bloody 1.15 a litre for diesel up the road, now. >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Martin End of tax year maybe? Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting > End of tax year maybe? Isn't that when another 2p of duty comes on? SignatureCheers Dave. >>> bloody 1.15 a litre for diesel up the road, now. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >below 110, though I expect the two local ones are well over 110 may even >be pushing 120. More annoyingly, the Shell fuelcard is going to be 118 next week. Clearly another email is in order. I was under the impression that the price was supposed to be based on some national average. Anyone with a Shell nearby, do's a favour and post the ppl for diesel, tomorrow will do if you don't know right now. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > Anyone with a Shell nearby, do's a favour and post the ppl for diesel, > tomorrow will do if you don't know right now. 51ppl, less 2ppl on my Shell card. :p > > Anyone with a Shell nearby, do's a favour and post the ppl for diesel, > > tomorrow will do if you don't know right now. > > 51ppl, less 2ppl on my Shell card. :p Heh, it's still not worth me coming over to fill up. :-) Martin Bloody Government Steeling from the workers & Just Think we Pay for there Fuel Regards Skinty >> > Anyone with a Shell nearby, do's a favour and post the ppl for diesel, >> > tomorrow will do if you don't know right now. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Martin >>> Anyone with a Shell nearby, do's a favour and post the ppl for diesel, >>> tomorrow will do if you don't know right now. >> 51ppl, less 2ppl on my Shell card. :p > > Heh, it's still not worth me coming over to fill up. :-) Worth coming for a holiday though Martin. > >>> Anyone with a Shell nearby, do's a favour and post the ppl for diesel, > >>> tomorrow will do if you don't know right now. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Worth coming for a holiday though Martin. Can't afford yet mate or I would, no good on that big bird at my age though, I'd be a candidate for that DVT I reckon, I'd have to come with the motor. Stick a few cans in the back and fill 'em up as well, do you reckon what I saved would pay for the trip? :-) Martin > Can't afford yet mate or I would, no good on that big bird at my age though, > I'd be a candidate for that DVT I reckon, I'd have to come with the motor. > Stick a few cans in the back and fill 'em up as well, do you reckon what I > saved would pay for the trip? :-) IMO the risk of DVT has been blown out of all proportion - if me aged and coronary prone Dad's annual flights to the UK haven't caused him to die of it then it ain't a common problem. Aside from the airfare a trip to NZ is probably cheaper than an equivalent trip to France, and a hell of a lot more fun. >> Can't afford yet mate or I would, no good on that big bird at my age though, >> I'd be a candidate for that DVT I reckon, I'd have to come with the motor. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >to NZ is probably cheaper than an equivalent trip to France, and a hell >of a lot more fun. I suspect it depends on the relative sizes of person and seat-space. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > >> Can't afford yet mate or I would, no good on that big bird at my age though, > >> I'd be a candidate for that DVT I reckon, I'd have to come with the motor. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I suspect it depends on the relative sizes of person and seat-space. You're not suggesting I'm a bit overweight are you Austin? Well I suppose I did remove the seat back spacers in the 109". :-) Martin > I suspect it depends on the relative sizes of person and seat-space. And not getting up and having a walk around every hour or so. The cabin crew don't like people wandering about but you do have to go to the loo and drinking lots of water ('cause of the very dry air) means you have to go to the loo often... SignatureCheers Dave. Didn't make it clear - the percentage figures in the post with prices that I gave are the amount the government took in tax. TonyB >>>> bloody 1.15 a litre for diesel up the road, now. >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Anyone with a Shell nearby, do's a favour and post the ppl for diesel, > tomorrow will do if you don't know right now. Try www.petrolprices.com. SignatureWisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could remember the darn question >> Anyone with a Shell nearby, do's a favour and post the ppl for diesel, >> tomorrow will do if you don't know right now. > >Try www.petrolprices.com. That tells me that the fuel card is 6ppl above national average. :-( I still want specific Shell prices, if anyone takes note of them, to compare like with like, so to speak. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! |
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