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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / February 2008

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Massive clutch issues

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Ben - 25 Feb 2008 09:20 GMT
1996 Discovery, 300TDI.

I have been struggling with this for the last 6 weekends and would
appreciate any help/advice.

story so far.

The clutch on the Disco failed whilst driving and it was found to be
the release fork had broken through at the pivot point, took it to a
mate who suggested he also replaced the clutch as it was starting to
show signs of wear.
Got it all back together but couldn't get it to bleed.
Replaced the slave cylinder, still not working, would bleed fine but
then after a few minutes of driving would get air back into the
system.

Found master cylinder was leaking under the reservoir replaced this,
still no joy.
Eventually found a small crack at the end of the clutch pipe by the
damper. Replaced the pipe but still not working.

Finally found the new slave was overshooting its travel and letting
air in past the seals. Reconditioned the old slave and now have the
hydraulics bleed and air-free but still no clutch :(
Pressing the pedal causes it to go straight to the floor and not
return. If I connect a pressure bleeder to the system the clutch works
correctly.

The piston moves fine in the slave.

Have found that when the guy refitted the clutch he didn't refit the
clip that holds the piston rod to the fork, is this going to cause me
a  major problem?

If I move the clutch fork in the bell house it moves freely but there
is no resistance, should there be? How does the slave cylinder get
pushed back in?

My questions are:

Does this sound like a hydraulics issue? or a mechanical clutch issue?
If a mechanical problem is there an easy way to get to the clutch
without dropping the engine/ gearbox out completly?

I have several jacks but no engine hoist.

Taking the vehicle elsewhere is not an option.

Would appreciate any thoughts/suggestions

Ben
AJH - 25 Feb 2008 09:31 GMT
>Does this sound like a hydraulics issue? or a mechanical clutch issue?

I'm not sure what you mean by "no clutch" but if the clutch pedal goes
to the floor and won't return it looks like when you played with the
master cylinder the length of the actuation rod changed, so the master
cylinder piston is not returning far enough to allow the fluid to be
pushed back into the reservoir.

AJH
Ben - 25 Feb 2008 11:20 GMT
> >Does this sound like a hydraulics issue? or a mechanical clutch issue?
>
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>
> AJH

By "no clutch" I mean the clutch doesn't work. I press the pedal it
goes to the floor and i can't change gear.
The master on a 300TDi discovery doesn't appear to have any adjustment
on it.

Ben
Jeff - 25 Feb 2008 12:10 GMT
> If I move the clutch fork in the bell house it moves freely but there
> is no resistance, should there be? How does the slave cylinder get
> pushed back in?

This sound wrong,  if I understand you correctly then the fork is not
operating the clutch, so there is a problem in the re-assembly of the clutch
parts. The fork is either not engaging on the release bearing, the release
bearing has been left out, or the springs on the clutch plate are distorted.

Jeff
Ben - 25 Feb 2008 13:20 GMT
> > If I move the clutch fork in the bell house it moves freely but there
> > is no resistance, should there be? How does the slave cylinder get
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Jeff

I can make the clutch operate by increasing the pressure in the system
to the point that the slave piston travels out of the cylinder, but it
won't operate under normal pedal pressure.

Sticking a screwdriver into the bellhousing and pressing the fork
causes it to swivel back but it won't return, it needs to be manually
pulled.

Thinking its a badly assembled clutch and i'm going to need to,
somehow, get the gearbox off to have a look.

Thanks
Ben
Badger - 25 Feb 2008 16:43 GMT
On Feb 25, 12:10 pm, "Jeff" <j...@local.host> wrote:
> > If I move the clutch fork in the bell house it moves freely but there
> > is no resistance, should there be? How does the slave cylinder get
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Jeff

I can make the clutch operate by increasing the pressure in the system
to the point that the slave piston travels out of the cylinder, but it
won't operate under normal pedal pressure.

Sticking a screwdriver into the bellhousing and pressing the fork
causes it to swivel back but it won't return, it needs to be manually
pulled.

Thinking its a badly assembled clutch and i'm going to need to,
somehow, get the gearbox off to have a look.

Seems like a definite issue with the operating gubbins within the
bellhousing. Afraid it's either engine out or gearbox off, nothing else for
it. Might be worth comparing the new operating fork with the old to see if
it's actually the correct item that's been fitted......
Badger.
 
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