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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / February 2008

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Rather worrying braking problem on 1997 Disco TDi

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Paul Vigay - 25 Feb 2008 10:56 GMT
This past weekend I did a bit of a lengthy drive (from Portsmouth in
Hampshire, to North Somerset, going via Cheddar Gorge). Everything was fine
until I'd almost reached the destination when I braked on reaching a narrow
bridge.

Although the brake pedal was the normal action, it suddenly made a noise
like I'd got 'gravel' in the brakes or under the pedal and the pedal
stopped at about half it's travel movement, with no brakes.
Initial panic over (I was only going slowly and there was no traffic) I
tried again and all appeared to work normally, with the pedal movement
normal and normal braking resumed. I drove on carefully.

A couple of miles later the same thing happened again - sort of crunching
noise/sensation through the pedal, pedal movement restricted and loss of
brakes.

On reaching the destination I checked all the fluids and visual check of
brakes (as much as you can see without removing wheels etc) and everything
appeared to be ok. Nothing leaking and fluid levels ok. I did a few
emergency stops in the carpark and only managed to reproduce the problem
once out of about 5 or six braking experiments.

I left it for the weekend, then gave another visual inspection before
driving all the way home again on Sunday (yesterday). Driving home (about 3
hours, averaging 50-60mph) the brakes were fine and there was no repetition
of the problem - although I was more aware of it so was driving 'carefully'.

I'm wondering if possibly the long drive down there had heated things up
and made a latent problem somewhere more apparent, or possibly the drive
through Cheddar/Mendips put more strain on something - although I do always
tend to use the gears appropriately for steep inclines so the brakes hadn't
had excessive use during the journey.

Does anyone have any ideas where the problem may lie - before I start
taking things apart, or book it into a garage for a once over?
It's a 1997 Discovery TDi ES.

TIA. cheers,
Paul

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Marc Draper - 25 Feb 2008 11:10 GMT
>This past weekend I did a bit of a lengthy drive (from Portsmouth in
>Hampshire, to North Somerset, going via Cheddar Gorge). Everything was fine
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>TIA. cheers,
>Paul

Does it have ABS ?

It sounds as if the ABS if operating in error, that would explain the
noise and lost of braking.

If it is that you need to get it checked out.

The only real cost effective cure is to uplug the ECU and remove the
warning light. which you did not hear from me lol. That will give you
proper trouble free brakes.

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Oily - 25 Feb 2008 11:25 GMT
> This past weekend I did a bit of a lengthy drive (from Portsmouth in
> Hampshire, to North Somerset, going via Cheddar Gorge). Everything was fine
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> TIA. cheers,
> Paul

Does it have ABS?  Otherwise sounds like the servo sticking, unless you've
got a pop bottle rolling about under the pedal. :-)

Martin
Dave Liquorice - 25 Feb 2008 11:34 GMT
> Although the brake pedal was the normal action, it suddenly made a noise
> like I'd got 'gravel' in the brakes or under the pedal and the pedal
> stopped at about half it's travel movement, with no brakes.

Something in the drivers footwell getting trapped under the pedal? Or
misplaced trim snagging?

Intermittent solid pedal and no brakes is a bit odd, unless the ABS system
is throwing a wobbly every now and again but I'd expect to have warning
lights come up if that was the case.

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Cheers
Dave.

jg - 25 Feb 2008 11:52 GMT
> This past weekend I did a bit of a lengthy drive (from Portsmouth in
> Hampshire, to North Somerset, going via Cheddar Gorge). Everything was fine
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> TIA. cheers,
> Paul

Check the pads. Garn, you know you should. As "my" mechanic says - go
back to basics.
Paul - xxx - 25 Feb 2008 13:35 GMT
> Does anyone have any ideas where the problem may lie - before I start
> taking things apart, or book it into a garage for a once over?
> It's a 1997 Discovery TDi ES.

First check would be wheels off and check pads/discs for a) pad
material left, b) scores/gouges on the braking surfaces, c)
pebbles/flints jammed into the calipers.

Then check the calipers work and move correctly and are free of
dirt/stones etc.

Then check ABS etc

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Paul - xxx

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Richard - 25 Feb 2008 19:03 GMT
> This past weekend I did a bit of a lengthy drive (from Portsmouth in
> Hampshire, to North Somerset, going via Cheddar Gorge). Everything was fine
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> TIA. cheers,
> Paul

Had a slightly similar (in terms of oddness) experience with an Audi
Quattro.  Garage had replaced both front springs and, rather than trace
the loom back to a plug, had removed the ABS sensors from the hubs and
not refitted them correctly.  The symptoms were: rock hard pedal on
braking, accompanied by the car pulling hard left and the off side side
rising.

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