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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / March 2008Is the 2.5 TD engine any good?
I am after a 90 to use as an off-roader. There are a few nice cheap ones around but they have the older 2.5TD fitted. I have heard that this engine is one to avoid as it's very unreliable. Anyone got any thoughts on this please? How easy would it be to transplant a 200TDi into one in the future if needed? Thanks in advance.  SignatureAndy > I am after a 90 to use as an off-roader. There are a few nice cheap > ones around but they have the older 2.5TD fitted. I have heard that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks in advance. It's not that bad, better not get the NA one though, or a 200tdi. I had a TD & it's in Lee's motor now, still running fine. SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Focus ST3 Discovery 3 XS (coming soon!) Daytona SE NIGE#1 >> I am after a 90 to use as an off-roader. There are a few nice cheap >> ones around but they have the older 2.5TD fitted. I have heard that [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > NIGE#1 I thought the 200 TDi was the best one, supposedly bullet-proof?? SignatureAndy >>> I am after a 90 to use as an off-roader. There are a few nice cheap >>> ones around but they have the older 2.5TD fitted. I have heard that [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I thought the 200 TDi was the best one, supposedly bullet-proof?? As long as it makes it to the next car, who gives? SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Focus ST3 Discovery 3 XS (coming soon!) Daytona SE NIGE#1 I have had my 1989 90TD for 10 years and (touch wood!!) it's going well at 130000+ miles Mind you, I make a point of oil and filter changes every 4 months - this is important, even thouth I only do about 5000 miles a year >>>> I am after a 90 to use as an off-roader. There are a few nice cheap >>>> ones around but they have the older 2.5TD fitted. I have heard that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > As long as it makes it to the next car, who gives? >I have had my 1989 90TD for 10 years and (touch wood!!) it's going well at >130000+ miles Yup this one has just gone past the 123456 mileage last week :-) Not all the quick with the caravan on and fully loaded. But plodding along at 55mph on the motorway is fine seeing as bank hols will mean so is everyone else! 200 tdi is much better on paper and I understand less relaibility issues. There are web sites dedicated to the conversion. Steve parker does a kit for a Disco engine as the turbo/manifold is diffewent than the defender version. I will be going to 200 tdi if only to explore veggie oil which is more complicated on a TD. Lee D On 17 Mar, 00:18, "Lee_D" <newsgroupsNOS...@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote: >> Not all the quick with the caravan on and fully loaded. But plodding along > at 55mph on the motorway is fine seeing as bank hols will mean so is > everyone else! > > Lee D So its your fault... >>I have had my 1989 90TD for 10 years and (touch wood!!) it's going well at >>130000+ miles > >Yup this one has just gone past the 123456 mileage last week :-) somewhere I've got a photo of the speedo on my CSW showing 234567, although that of course is not on it's original engine. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >>> I am after a 90 to use as an off-roader. There are a few nice cheap >>> ones around but they have the older 2.5TD fitted. I have heard that [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I thought the 200 TDi was the best one, supposedly bullet-proof?? The 300TDi is the one the UK military still buys... SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >> I thought the 200 TDi was the best one, supposedly bullet-proof?? It is. >The 300TDi is the one the UK military still buys... For 2 (main) reasons - hey don't want the electronics on the TD5 (won't survive an EMP attack) and the 200 TDi is no longer produced. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >>> I thought the 200 TDi was the best one, supposedly bullet-proof?? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > For 2 (main) reasons - hey don't want the electronics on the TD5 (won't > survive an EMP attack) and the 200 TDi is no longer produced. I thought the 300TDi had some sort of chip in it. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >>>> I thought the 200 TDi was the best one, supposedly bullet-proof?? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I thought the 300TDi had some sort of chip in it. Not the normal one it doesn't SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Focus ST3 Discovery 3 XS (coming soon!) Daytona SE NIGE#1 Nige typed: >>>>> I thought the 200 TDi was the best one, supposedly bullet-proof?? >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Not the normal one it doesn't Only the late ones - ECU and EGR valve. Not as all-knowing as the Td5, mind. SignatureRich B Take out the obvious to email me. A life? Cool - where can I download one of those? > Nige typed: >>> I thought the 300TDi had some sort of chip in it. >> >> Not the normal one it doesn't > > Only the late ones - ECU and EGR valve. What sort of dates are we talking about here? Mine's an early 1996. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. William Black typed: >> Nige typed: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Mine's an early 1996. My 97 Auto had the EGR and chip - don't know about any others. ISTR it was only the last couple of years of production. SignatureRich B Take out the obvious to email me. A life? Cool - where can I download one of those? >William Black typed: >>> Nige typed: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >My 97 Auto had the EGR and chip - don't know about any others. ISTR it was >only the last couple of years of production. EDC was only on autos, I thought. Boosted the power a bit. The EGR is on all of them but it matters not, it's easily circumvented. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > EDC was only on autos, I thought. Boosted the power a bit. The EGR is on > all of them but it matters not, it's easily circumvented. Is that the electronically controlled EGR stuff? If so it's never been on mine. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/ >> EDC was only on autos, I thought. Boosted the power a bit. The EGR is on >> all of them but it matters not, it's easily circumvented. > >Is that the electronically controlled EGR stuff? If so it's never >been on mine. Well, I thought all 300s had EGR. Maybe that was only the discos. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > Well, I thought all 300s had EGR. Maybe that was only the discos. I reckon so, there's hardly a wire to be seen in my engine bay! Mind you could all be hidden under the muck I suppose.. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/ >>William Black typed: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > EDC was only on autos, I thought. Boosted the power a bit. The EGR is on > all of them but it matters not, it's easily circumvented. ... it wasn't on the early ones, even autos. > I thought the 300TDi had some sort of chip in it. Later releases have an "ecu" but IIRC all it does is manage the exhaust gasses. My 300TDi is gadget-free. From the wiring diagram I have for a Defender, the ECU apparently hides under the driver's seat. I don't recall which versions of 300TDi defender have them but I know mine isn't one. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/ > For 2 (main) reasons - hey don't want the electronics on the TD5 (won't > survive an EMP attack) and the 200 TDi is no longer produced. Military Machines International April 2008 edition has an article on modern technology in military vehicles. They don't mind electronics too much but can only go as far as euro 3 spec on the engine, that seems to be where they're digging their heels in as the others have all sorts of weird sh.t to keep pandas in the mood. They've also standardised on independent suspension on small to medium sized vehicles because they reckon it's got a 2-3 fold speed advantage over rough ground than beam axles, but on heavy load carriers they prefer beams and leaf springs as it's the most reliable and the load carriers don't need speed (so no independent suspension) or much off-road capability (so leafs are OK). There's currently one load carrier with independent suspension in production, from oshkosh I think, the rest are beams. I might write in though because that last bit is according to the article, but tatra trucks have independent suspension, I don't know if the writer regards them as beams or independent.. I don't know if Tatra are in the military market much these days though. Also some work has been done on using hybrids but so far, and not for a very long time into the future, they're regarded as totally unsuitable due to reliability issues. You see companies like Oshkosh displaying hybrid models on their web pages but they're not apparently being bought, or possibly even being sold. It looks "good" for those who think such things are more important than not getting killed. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/ > I am after a 90 to use as an off-roader. There are a few nice cheap ones > around but they have the older 2.5TD fitted. I have heard that this engine [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Andy I must be biased as I've got one on ebay #280208594138 :-), but, coming back to your question, the 2.5 TD is nowhere near as good as a 200 or 300Tdi but it's a big improvement on an N/A. Martin Oily typed: >> I am after a 90 to use as an off-roader. There are a few nice cheap >> ones around but they have the older 2.5TD fitted. I have heard that [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Martin I'd agree about the Tdi, but the n/a isn't much slower than the TD and it's bulletproof - the Army used them for years and kept coming back for more. SignatureRich B Take out the obvious to email me. A life? Cool - where can I download one of those? > Oily typed: >>> I am after a 90 to use as an off-roader. There are a few nice cheap [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > and it's bulletproof - the Army used them for years and kept coming > back for more. I bought one that had 270k on the clock & was fine. SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Focus ST3 Discovery 3 XS (coming soon!) Daytona SE NIGE#1 > > Oily typed: > >>> I am after a 90 to use as an off-roader. There are a few nice cheap [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > I'd agree about the Tdi, but the n/a isn't much slower than the TD All I can say is the TD you compared it with must have been utterly knackered. :-) > > and it's bulletproof Heh..... It may have been bulletproof but I would rather have one that would run than have to use it as a shield. - the Army used them for years and kept coming > > back for more. > > I bought one that had 270k on the clock & was fine. But how many engines had it had fitted? :-) > Nige, talking utter shite since 1967. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > NIGE#1 >I bought one that had 270k on the clock & was fine. Yeah nige .......How many engines. When the TD first came out they were changing them weekly under warranty. They suffer badly from cracked pistons and heads. They pressurise the crank case pushing oil into the air filter, many have had the breather system changed to stop this from happening. If I buy a 90 or 110 in with a TD engine in, it gets scrapped or re-engined. As I can't warranty a TD. That said even though the are technically knackered they keep going for ages with all these faults. Most will have developed the symptoms by 50,000 miles. A 200 is much more cost effective in the long run. SignatureMarc Draper > >I bought one that had 270k on the clock & was fine. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Most will have developed the symptoms by 50,000 miles. Indeed, the 2.5 D was never redesigned to cope with the heat loadings from the turbo, even though it only blows at 6-7psi. An intercooler, proper setting up, and the PCV mod cures them, but having said that, you might as well fit a 200TDi which is a far better engine. Tim,. >Indeed, the 2.5 D was never redesigned to cope with the heat loadings from >the turbo, even though it only blows at 6-7psi. In addition I would venture that until the 1.8 freelander that the 2.5TD was the worse engine that Landrover ever fitted . . . . . . . . . oh wait a min..... no the VM unit fitted to the RRC was just as shite. SignatureMarc Draper > >Indeed, the 2.5 D was never redesigned to cope with the heat loadings > >from [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > was the worse engine that Landrover ever fitted . . . . . . . . . oh wait > a min..... no the VM unit fitted to the RRC was just as shite. Just as the slightly redesigned VM 2.5 that they fitted to the Cherokee was attrociously awful...! Tim.. >>> Indeed, the 2.5 D was never redesigned to cope with the heat loadings >>> from [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Just as the slightly redesigned VM 2.5 that they fitted to the Cherokee was > attrociously awful...! That's the dog with four heads innit? Mate of mine has got one, and for some reason no-one will buy it from him. Absolute mongrel of an engine. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 Range Rover V8 Turbo Scorpio Ultima 24v "Professional Petrolhead" >>>> Indeed, the 2.5 D was never redesigned to cope with the heat loadings >>>> from [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Mate of mine has got one, and for some reason no-one will buy it from >him. Absolute mongrel of an engine. Actually, it's not as bad as all that - however, it suffered from inadequate attention to re-torqueing the head bolts, AIUI, leading to premature gasket failure. VM are actually quite a respected company in diesel engine circles. The LDV Maxus van has a VM, though I doubt it's the same one as the RRs. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >>>>> Indeed, the 2.5 D was never redesigned to cope with the heat loadings >>>>> from [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > VM are actually quite a respected company in diesel engine circles. The LDV > Maxus van has a VM, though I doubt it's the same one as the RRs. My mates Cherokee hasn't had any head problems yet, and it's on 107k miles, but it's definately the poor relation in comparison to the 4.0 petrol one, and if it's driven in such a way as to make progress it doesn't seem much better on fuel. VM do some pretty good engines, but the one in the Cherokee seems to be an exception. The VM lump in the Rover SD1 seemed to go ok, if memory serves me right. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 Range Rover V8 Turbo Scorpio Ultima 24v "Professional Petrolhead" >>>>> Indeed, the 2.5 D was never redesigned to cope with the heat loadings >>>>> from [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > LDV > Maxus van has a VM, though I doubt it's the same one as the RRs. LOL, its about as far away from the original 4x heads effort as apple crumble is from sherry trifle. In 2.8 guise now in the Maxus, its not too bad. Long term reliability both mechanically and electronically (the CR wiring looms aren't upto Bosch or Delphi standards) are as yet un-known... Tim.. >>>> Indeed, the 2.5 D was never redesigned to cope with the heat loadings >>>> from [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Mate of mine has got one, and for some reason no-one will buy it from him. > Absolute mongrel of an engine. I had one, did the head gaskets twice and replaced the pistons and bearings ... however apart from that it's a better spec engine than the 200 tdi on paper. I've never compared like with like mind. Though I'd have avoided it through reputation and yes the head gaskets were a pita otherwise it was a sound engine. There are many more VM's out there than there will ever be 200 tdi's ... they also have them in Granda , Omega, Rover, Jeep, (came to my rescue when landrover didn't have parts in Jeep did!). The basic engines main application is in a marine engine so there will be shed loads of boats with them fitted too.... awaits anchor gag :-) I seem quite fond and partial to all these lumps no one wants :-) Remember - A Landrover is not just for Christmas! If the 2.5 TD in the 110 had the power of the 2.5 VM then that would be a nice engine. If reliability was a primary concern then we'd all be running Land cruisers and the green oval would have been dead a long time ago. Lee D |
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