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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / March 2008

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Ach!  Need to replace the CV joints -- I think

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Anthony - 20 Mar 2008 00:26 GMT
'95 Disco V8.

While making a sharp turn and accelerating through the turn, I'm
starting to get that tell-tale clicking noise...but it sounded like it
was coming from the back?  Must be my imagination?  Is there anything
back there that could cause that?

In any case, while still assuming it's worn CV joints (177,0000 miles
on the beast) what kind of job am I looking at here?

I really HATE working on suspension and axles/CV joints.  How
difficult is it to replace both fron CV joints?  I'm not familiar with
working on a solid front axle with ball swivels.  I have the factory
manual, and all this stuff about shimming the swivel ball and whatnot
is making me shy away from this job.  How hard is it really?  I have
replaced the CV joints on a front wheel drive mcPherson strut vehicle
before if you are wondering about my abilities.  That job was a huge
PITA.  I have also replaced coilover shocks on my Miata.  Also a
PITA.  So I CAN do this stuff, I just don't like to.  Any input?
Thanks
Austin Shackles - 20 Mar 2008 08:41 GMT
>'95 Disco V8.
>
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>PITA.  So I CAN do this stuff, I just don't like to.  Any input?
>Thanks

It's not that hard, and depending on which axle you may not have shimming
issues.  Shimming applies to the ones with railco top bushes, which not all
disco axles have.  In any case, if you're not changing the swivel bearings,
you just need to make sure that the shims for each side go back in
afterwards.

Actually, thinking on, I don't recall you need to remove the swivels at all
to pull the CV/half shaft.  Get the axle number first, there are 2 kinds of
CV joints and they don't swap.
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Anthony - 20 Mar 2008 14:14 GMT
> Actually, thinking on, I don't recall you need to remove the swivels at all
> to pull the CV/half shaft.  Get the axle number first, there are 2 kinds of
> CV joints and they don't swap.

How do I get the axle number?  Is it stamped somewhere?

Also, it looks like it would be prudent to replace the axe to swivel
housing seal, according to the manual.  Also, I'd need new hub nuts,
locktabs and possibly shims...correct?  Can anybody give me a list of
the parts I need?  Looking in the manual, it mentions three special
tools I'll need to replace the seal  :P
Mark Solesbury - 21 Mar 2008 08:10 GMT
>> Actually, thinking on, I don't recall you need to remove the swivels at all
>> to pull the CV/half shaft.  Get the axle number first, there are 2 kinds of
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> the parts I need?  Looking in the manual, it mentions three special
> tools I'll need to replace the seal  :P

You only need to re-shim it if you are replacing the swivel bearings -
but only if its a certain type, and you dont need to remove the swivel
housing to remove the CV. I think the hole behind the stub axle is big
enough to get the CV joint though.

LR changed the design of the swivel form a normal bearing to a railko
type which i think do need shimms? Might be wrong. Hence the need for
the axle number, which is stamped on the top of it somewhere.

Anyway, the only tool i had to buy to replace pretty much everything in
my swivels was a hub nut spanner. Only a fiver, and makes life much
easier to undo the 52mm nuts.

http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/DISCOVERY_1/Axle/Hub_nut_spanner_-_for_use_with_
bar_-_front_axle_to_JA032850.html


This is a good guide i found after doing the job for stripping the
complete hub down.

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=5601

Paddocks do a kit with new swivel bearings and all the gaskets you need.
 I got that and some one shot grease when i did mine.

http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/DEFENDER/Axle/Swivel_Kit_-_no_ball_-_front_axle_
from_LA930456.html


Hope this helps

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Austin Shackles - 21 Mar 2008 09:24 GMT
>> Actually, thinking on, I don't recall you need to remove the swivels at all
>> to pull the CV/half shaft.  Get the axle number first, there are 2 kinds of
>> CV joints and they don't swap.
>
>How do I get the axle number?  Is it stamped somewhere?

on the axle :-)  Might take some searching.  Unfortunately you can't
determine half-shaft type by VIN.

>Also, it looks like it would be prudent to replace the axe to swivel
>housing seal, according to the manual.  Also, I'd need new hub nuts,
>locktabs and possibly shims...correct?  Can anybody give me a list of
>the parts I need?  Looking in the manual, it mentions three special
>tools I'll need to replace the seal  :P

OK.  You don't need any new nuts unless they're buggered, you don't need the
lockwasher unless it's been used more than once (although they're only pence
to buy) - only 1/3 of it gets used to lock the 2 nuts, so you can find an
unused bit to bend over.

As Mark says, get the hub nut box spanner.  I don't recall needing any other
special tools.  

As for the bearings, shims are only needed if you're changing swivel
bearings.

Railco bush ones.  Railco bushes were fitted to series motors and to early
90/110, but NOT early rangie/disco.  I think I'm right in saying that Railco
bushes are fitted on ABS models only, on the top swivel bush - the ABS
sensor being mounted in the inner bearing pin which is bigger than the taper
roller kind.  Both sorts have shims so you need a representative sample of
shims if you are changing swivel bearings, otherwise, just recover the shims
and replace them.

Note that you don't have to get the swivel off to change just the
half-shaft.

If you do have a railco-fitted one it'd make sense to change them while
doing all the rest,unless they're known to be recent, as they do wear
eventually and it's the same amount of work to change the buggers if in 6
months time it fails the test on a dodgy swivel bearing.

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Dougal - 21 Mar 2008 12:11 GMT
>>>Actually, thinking on, I don't recall you need to remove the swivels at all
>>>to pull the CV/half shaft.  Get the axle number first, there are 2 kinds of
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> eventually and it's the same amount of work to change the buggers if in 6
> months time it fails the test on a dodgy swivel bearing.

But before you jump in there just check that, if this is an oiled
swivel, that there is actually sufficient oil present. I shut mine up
with a little squirt!
 
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