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Thanks Si for sorting it out. Wicked time :) Got home in good time, worked out the MPG at 32.3, which aint bad with a tyre on the roof all the way home! Bought myself some BFG MT 255 85's which make the 90 look so much better! Took a detour round a friends house on the way home - he has just had an op. 320 miles to a tank - and no more.... I ran out outside of his house Doh! Bec was not pleased. Thanks to all that were there - yet again another enjoyable memorable weekend! http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/24358.jpg :)  SignatureMark 1996 90 300tdi 1987 RR V8 EFI 2007 Golf GT http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules! http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox http://ietab.mozdev.org/ - IE tab. Get Windows updates in Firefox > Thanks Si for sorting it out. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > :) Was a top doo! I've just about got stuff that needs to be unpacked unpacked... fetched the dogs, just been the loo in the dark... soon as I settled down the floor tiles started flashing and this dude with an Afro started doing a nightfever impression! ;-) Stunner! RRIII rocks towing! No sh.t we overtook a Suzuki Bandit onthe way back :-) I think he was pre-occupied spitting flys :-) Thanks all especially Si who made it possible..... PS I've just checked your link Mark after typing the above... Groovy! Off to practice my lines for the exam "Whats the word on the street shoeshine?" ;-) Lee, Karen, and the diddy D's Great weekend. Good to catch up with old friends and put some more names & faces together. Lizzy > Thanks Si for sorting it out. !vote=+1 > ... > Bec was not pleased. Not surprised - you have yet to make good on your end of the deal <g> > Thanks to all that were there - yet again another enjoyable memorable > weekend! indeed, good to meet up again and even to finally put faces to others. The young man is well pleased with his 'new' tent and the girls are completely infatuated with Max. Proven now without doubt, the sun-glasses/umbrella theory - bought recovery straps (and associated paraphernalia) and then didn't need them on the froading course (is this a first?) although the WD40 has become mandatory. Noticed when clearing up, half a pan of chilli tatties had 'disappeared' - hope Max is ok, imagine that grumble may be sporting some new & interesting odours on the way home. > http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/24358.jpg > ... Scary! SignatureWilliam Tasso Discovery - V8 Land Rover - 110 V8 >Wicked time :) Indeed - good show all round - and one I wasn't planning on doing - actually, I'd sort of decided to chuck the whole landie thing into history - but Simon offered a ticket and being a Yorkshireman (well, sort of these days) couldn't resist. Reminded me of the bits about shows I like - especially Driffield. I'm not really arsed about the landies much these days - apart from the odd one or two that old mates have been working on (Riks 'monster truck' Disco was "interesting"). Meeting old mates - lots of whom seemed to be at Driffield this year and a few I hadn't seen for over 5 years, putting names to faces (Mark and Bill especially), and the overall laid-back silliness that goes hand in hand with those who gather for the enjoyment of like-minded sillyfolk. We had - IMO, the best possible location - well away from almost anyone else, by the stream tucked away in the corner. This made for far less passers by asking to same mindnumbingly boring questions - question to which I've never really got around to inventing suitably rude answers for (apart from 'why is it purple?' - Wayne Davis gave me an idea of what I should reply - but have never had the bottle...). A nice 'family' mix also reduces the potential for laddish behaviour and is far more welcome than a group of rivet-counting tossers discussing the correct alignment of their nuts and why their balls are so shiny... Charlotte always likes Driffield because of the long walks - away from people talking bollocks about landies - and also as it generally knackers Max, not to the point, obviously, where he cannot go nicking any bit of food left unattended or guarded with an electric fence - he seems to have put on a little weight in the last couple of days, oddly and yes Bill, I'll naturally be volunteering him to sleep in a tent at the next show - any volunteers who think they can out-fart him please put their hand up... The perfect escape from the Real World [tm] only slightly marred by the Capitalist photography company doing the froading pics who wanted sixty quid (no typo, that is 60) for a CD of some pics. When Mark offered the normal 30 they turned it down. Now I'd sooner have all of 30 quid rather than none of 60 - I can guess how much they must be making out of froaders if they can turn away 30 quid for a 3p CD - given they've already taken the pics an all... So, cheers Simon for revitalising my interest - in the folk not the motors, and to everyone who didn't mention that Simons Disco seemed a little lower on the passenger side as we navigated the off road course. Large WD40s all round :-) >Thanks Si for sorting it out. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >:) hurrah for the boogyman! 'twas a good weekend indeed. Went to school in the disco which I park next to my classroom, gave a lunchtime detention to three scrotes who hadn't handed in their homework. When they came into my room at lunchtime i handed them a bowl of hot soapy water and a cloth each....... . and made them clean all the ovens. Their faces were a picture! Best of all was the teaching assistant who has recently bought a diesel P38 "Why do you go offroad?" Great company, great food, great laughs, great bargaining from Becs!!! We also got home and found 8 uncooked sausages........ -- "For those who are missing Blair - aim more carefully." To reply direct rot13 me bURRt the 101 Camper www.simoni.co.uk 200TDi Disco with no floor - its being fixed at last! 200 TDi Disco, "the offroader" 1976 S3 Lightweight Our Pics http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/driffield08/ SignatureMark 1996 90 300tdi 1987 RR V8 EFI 2007 Golf GT http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules! http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox http://ietab.mozdev.org/ - IE tab. Get Windows updates in Firefox > Our Pics > > http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/driffield08/ Nice new wheels Mark, but ffs man get a suntan on those legs (and buy the wee lad some pants). Looks like a great weekend was had by all, and I'm suitably jealous. >> Our Pics >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Looks like a great weekend was had by all, and I'm suitably jealous. Factor 40 man! I burn like a burning thing without it! Si - Get your son some pants! SignatureMark 1996 90 300tdi 1987 RR V8 EFI 2007 Golf GT http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules! http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox http://ietab.mozdev.org/ - IE tab. Get Windows updates in Firefox >> Our Pics >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Looks like a great weekend was had by all, and I'm suitably jealous. Factor 40 man! I burn like a burning thing without it! Non Pants Pic Removed.... SignatureMark 1996 90 300tdi 1987 RR V8 EFI 2007 Golf GT http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules! http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox http://ietab.mozdev.org/ - IE tab. Get Windows updates in Firefox >> Our Pics >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Looks like a great weekend was had by all, and I'm suitably jealous. Factor 40 man! I burn like a burning thing without it! Non Pants Pic Removed.... SignatureMark 1996 90 300tdi 1987 RR V8 EFI 2007 Golf GT http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules! http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox http://ietab.mozdev.org/ - IE tab. Get Windows updates in Firefox >> Our Pics >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Looks like a great weekend was had by all, and I'm suitably jealous. Factor 40 man! I burn like a burning thing without it! Ive removed that pic, Ps - i officially hate thunderbird for posting many times.... SignatureMark 1996 90 300tdi 1987 RR V8 EFI 2007 Golf GT http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules! http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox http://ietab.mozdev.org/ - IE tab. Get Windows updates in Firefox >>> Our Pics >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ive removed that pic, Spoilsport LOL > Ps - i officially hate thunderbird for posting many times.... It's better than my farking mail server at work that has just decided to randomly deliver about 40 copies of every email to one of the company directors. At least it has the intelligence to pick the director in need of a LART to do this to :-) > Our Pics > > http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/driffield08/ I only got as far as the first one ... and the brolly! http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/driffield08/pictu re001.html WTF's that?????? Jeez, but those frills look just right against the 90 ... ;-) SignaturePaul - xxx '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch' Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough' >> Our Pics >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > WTF's that?????? Jeez, but those frills look just right against the 90 > ... ;-) I was not as depressed as i looked - Honest!! It was Harrys brolly from his pushchair that Dawn put on my 90 to stop me getting sunburn! SignatureMark 1996 90 300tdi 1987 RR V8 EFI 2007 Golf GT http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules! http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox http://ietab.mozdev.org/ - IE tab. Get Windows updates in Firefox > Our Pics > > http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/afl-unofficial-1/driffield08/ A few of ours :-) http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/fiveonadventure/Driffield08/ not many mind. Lee D >A few of ours :-) I reckon Riks monster truck Disco was probably one of the most photographed vehicles at that show! Mark, or Simon - can't quite remember which, did suggest offering the opportunity for a photo in the driver seat for a quid a time. May suggest that to him again actually, to p'raps try and boost the Posh Ted funds (Note to Neil - where is Posh Ted? - there's been no sign for three years). Wotcha, Posh Ted is, as far as I know, awaiting a new adventure. He's staying with Tim from Muddyweb. As it is show season again we can get him to anyone who wants to get him on his travels again :) SignatureNeil >Posh Ted is, as far as I know, awaiting a new adventure. He's staying with >Tim from Muddyweb. As it is show season again we can get him to anyone who >wants to get him on his travels again :) Does Rory still hang around here? Was rather thinking his kids may have outgrown Ted by now. Do you know if Tim still has his Diary? If so, I'd quite like to scan it. > Does Rory still hang around here? Which Rory would that be? If "telemagenta" Manton, then he's here on occasion, I may see him tomorrow night so if you mean him I'll mention you were inquiring after PT. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/ > A few of ours :-) > > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/fiveonadventure/Driffield08/ > > not many mind. How come there isn't a shot of the silver Rangie in the first photo all covered in chalk slurry in the last few? SignatureCheers Dave. >> A few of ours :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > How come there isn't a shot of the silver Rangie in the first photo all > covered in chalk slurry in the last few? Because I'm not ready to be sectioned just yet. :-) Lee D >> How come there isn't a shot of the silver Rangie in the first photo all >> covered in chalk slurry in the last few? > > Because I'm not ready to be sectioned just yet. :-) Wuzzz... Mind you I can talk, I wouldn't take my DII through that but that is because I can't afford to break it rather than just getting it mucky. SignatureCheers Dave. >A few of ours :-) > >http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/fiveonadventure/Driffield08/ > >not many mind. Blimey, the little Ds have got big. what are the chances of a south-westish unofficial later in the summer, when I might have got the 110 fixed? It's looking increasingly unlikely before Eastnor, buggrit. Still, I can bring a (different) LDV bus :-) When is Eastnor, anyway? and is the Glass operation coming, and any chance of blagging a pass? SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >> A few of ours :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > When is Eastnor, anyway? and is the Glass operation coming, and any > chance of blagging a pass? We'll be up for it! SignatureNige, talking utter shite since 1967. Focus ST3 Discovery 3 XS BMW K1200S NIGE#1 >>> A few of ours :-) >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > We'll be up for it! We're in :) SignatureMark 1996 90 300tdi 1987 RR V8 EFI 2007 Golf GT http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules! http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox http://ietab.mozdev.org/ - IE tab. Get Windows updates in Firefox > ... > When is Eastnor, anyway? 7/8 June - http://www.landroverworld.co.uk/content/lrwshow2008.htm > and is the Glass operation coming Not sure, but I believe I heard a whisper that our friend from the eastern shires won't be attending SignatureWilliam Tasso Land Rover - 110 V8 Discovery - V8 >>A few of ours :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >When is Eastnor, anyway? and is the Glass operation coming, and any chance >of blagging a pass? I'm not doing Eastnor this year, though GLASS are. Its a fair old trek over for us. -- "For those who are missing Blair - aim more carefully." To reply direct rot13 me bURRt the 101 Camper www.simoni.co.uk 200TDi Disco with no floor - its being fixed at last! 200 TDi Disco, "the offroader" 1976 S3 Lightweight >Still, I can bring a (different) LDV bus :-) Is the LDV in original condition, though? ;-) We're not doing Eastnor - my last experience there somewhat put me orf in a [greater value than] big way - especially the political backstabbing afterwards. Tis a shame as the venue is smashing, which has kind of got Charlotte and I thinking that we can still go and enjoy Eastnor - and Billing for that matter, at times when there aren't any shows and probably have a far better time. >> Still, I can bring a (different) LDV bus :-) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > enjoy Eastnor - and Billing for that matter, at times when there > aren't any shows and probably have a far better time. If you ever go to Billing, let me know and ill pop over and have a glass with you. :) SignatureMark 1996 90 300tdi 1987 RR V8 EFI 2007 Golf GT http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules! http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox http://ietab.mozdev.org/ - IE tab. Get Windows updates in Firefox >If you ever go to Billing, let me know and ill pop over and have a glass >with you. The plan is to try and find a weekend when they haven't got any shows planned (they do quite a lot of different stuph there over the summer) and meet some friends who're coming up from Southend. Billing is (sort of) equidistant for us both. Always room for more around the bar - erm, table, BBQ - whatever ;-) >>Still, I can bring a (different) LDV bus :-) > >Is the LDV in original condition, though? ;-) Nope. 's got different wheels (16" instead of 14") and shortly will have ProComp ES3000 dampers :-) The bigger wheels improve the ride and the procomps are cheaper than the LDV originals and better quality to boot. They also have the advantage of not being shagged. >We're not doing Eastnor - my last experience there somewhat put me orf >in a [greater value than] big way - especially the political >backstabbing afterwards. Tis a shame as the venue is smashing, which >has kind of got Charlotte and I thinking that we can still go and >enjoy Eastnor - and Billing for that matter, at times when there >aren't any shows and probably have a far better time. It's a pity. Shame Malvern show died the death, that had a lot of potential to be a good event. Gwan, come to the show and stick 2 fingers up at the buggers, if you don't go 'cos of the morons, you let them win. Just looked, there's no way I'm going to get the 110 legal by the 7th June, got way too much to do, and people whingeing about how long they've been waiting for things for which I very carefully gave no delivery date :-) That is NOT the way to motivate me... Personally, my repsonse to rivet-counters and their ilk is along the lines of "go forth and count yer rivets, then". There's a lot more stuff to do than faff about like that, and petty politics unfortunately is everywhere. There some likelihood that I'll end up being chairman[2] of the harchery club this year... mind, this will afford some opportunities for putting a certain person[1] in their place, so tis not all bad. I still reckon the unofficial club had a lot going for it as an idea. It'd be nice to have a multi-landy club with no rules and no rivet-counters. Sort of an RL AFL, so to speak. Provided it has a sufficient "official" presence to get shows to afford it "club" status (how does that work, anyway?) [1] one of those types who attends meetings, has much to say but to little purpose and refuses to actually do anything, on the slim excuse that she's "done her bit in the past". ISTR she was secretary for a year or three, but that was some time ago. Others did their bit and continue to do so... Unfortunately every club seems to have such people, who also tend to delight in sniping behind others' backs. [2] on the grounds that I can't really criticise the current regime too much unless I'm prepared to have a go meself... might be a laugh, I've never been a chairman before. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! "It'd be nice to have a multi-landy club with no rules and no rivet-counters" 5 years in ... and mud-club is proving that it can work [1], but there are issues [2]. There is no way you can have *no* rules unless it's a very very small club of mates, and those mates never ever disagree. [1] 99% of the time. [2] Desctructive influences (polite version) SignatureNeil >"It'd be nice to have a multi-landy club with no rules and no >rivet-counters" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >[2] Desctructive influences (polite version) yeah, you have to have some rules. I favour something along the lines of "if more than 75% of the membership will sign their name to a notice saying 'XXXX is an arsehole' then XXXX gets booted out". I don't really see you need much more rules than that. The problems with most organisations seem to come from getting too bureaucratic. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > yeah, you have to have some rules. I favour something along the lines of > "if more than 75% of the membership will sign their name to a notice saying > 'XXXX is an arsehole' then XXXX gets booted out". Problem is, most organisations have the majority of their membership inactive from what I've seen, e.g. my local MVT has about a hundred members but only about 6 ever turn up regularly for meetings! > I don't really see you need much more rules than that. The problems with > most organisations seem to come from getting too bureaucratic. There does need to be some safeguards against people swinging votes by just encouraging more people to turn up, say for example a scheme was implemented where it only took 75% of votes to boot someone out, but regular meet turnouts only came up to 6, it would only take one faction to muster up a few more people to get the relevant mass to swing it. Just read any club's AGM minutes and voting stats, you'll often see complaints about pathetically small voting participation from mostly inert members. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/ >Problem is, most organisations have the majority of their membership >inactive from what I've seen, Yep. I wrote, which I'll dig out tomorrow, a bit about the organic development of a 'club'. My reckoning is that the biggest challenge is nothing to do with the club or special interest - but how to manage the growth and avoid the personality and petty political disputes. Tis them that kill clubs, quicker and dirtier than anything else. Too much 'member participation' is as bad as too little. > ... > I still reckon the unofficial club had a lot going for it as an idea. > It'd be nice to have a multi-landy club with no rules yes - hello usenet :) > and no rivet-counters. oops, there's yer first rule - see how easy it is? > Sort > of an RL AFL, so to speak. Provided it has a sufficient "official" > presence > to get shows to afford it "club" status (how does that work, anyway?) good question - perhaps some kind soul, that still has humanity despite having been through the club/committee/rules mill, will come along with an idiot's how-to. SignatureWilliam Tasso Land Rover - 110 V8 Discovery - V8 >> ... >> I still reckon the unofficial club had a lot going for it as an idea. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > having been through the club/committee/rules mill, will come along with an > idiot's how-to. Do you mean you don't know how to form a club, or that you don't know how to get people to recognise it after it has formed and wants to do stuff? SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >Do you mean you don't know how to form a club, or that you don't know how >to get people to recognise it after it has formed and wants to do stuff? How to get the shows to recognise it and whether there's any advantage in so doing. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >>Do you mean you don't know how to form a club, or that you don't know how >>to get people to recognise it after it has formed and wants to do stuff? > > How to get the shows to recognise it and whether there's any advantage in > so > doing. My experience, in a slightly different field, is that you get recognised when you buy tickets in bulk for a discount. What the level of purchase is varies depending on the event, but usually it's somewhere around sixty. Some organisations have a formal affiliation system (you have to write in to find out about it) but it works out about the same. If you buy enough tickets you get your name in the programme and allocated somewhere to camp together that's actually on the map at the entrance and the possibility of a stall to sell yourself to new members at a discounted price. If you're reasonably glib you can get most of the benefits without actually selling the tickets, once... SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >My experience, in a slightly different field, is that you get recognised >when you buy tickets in bulk for a discount. Oh how things have changed since the early days of Nominet ;-) >>Do you mean you don't know how to form a club, or that you don't know how >>to get people to recognise it after it has formed and wants to do stuff? > >How to get the shows to recognise it In my experience, landie shows _want_ clubs there more than clubs want to be there. You say "we're a club" they then bung you some tickets. >and whether there's any advantage in so doing. I like to think that if you're given tickets for a show, you should both turn up, and display something that may be of vague interest. The obvious downside is that you are a bit tied to your stand / display, however in reality, so long as there's a couple of folk around, more for security than anything else, it'll usually be fine. For the shows I've organised in the past, I've tried to make it 'interesting and welcoming', for various values of interesting and welcoming! :-) >It's a pity. Shame Malvern show died the death, that had a lot of potential >to be a good event. It was the cleanest and best orgainsed that I can recall for some years. >Gwan, come to the show and stick 2 fingers up at the >buggers, if you don't go 'cos of the morons, you let them win. It's not about winning or loss really, more about my own (selfish I guess) sense of overall enjoyment - which will be clouded by memories and also bumping into some folk who I just don't trust - or like very much. I don't do 'polite' for the sake of it if I don't mean it, believing it's best to be direct, sometimes blunt - which can often be misinterpreted as being hostile. I also don't like 'shows' per se as much as I did, seen too many landies to last a lifetime. I'm far more interested in the social side and getting to meet old and new chums and yes, p'raps talk bollocks about landies a little, but not to the point where I take any of it too seriously :-) >I also don't like 'shows' per se as much as I did, seen too many >landies to last a lifetime. I'm far more interested in the social >side and getting to meet old and new chums and yes, p'raps talk >bollocks about landies a little, but not to the point where I take any >of it too seriously :-) That's what I go for as well, and I get few opportunities, one way and another. We've had a few good times sitting around with your field cinema and a few beers and a barbie. OK, so forget the official "shows", I suspect they're about to self-destruct anyway as they've got too many and each is losing moolah 'cos there are only so many show-goers. Back to what I mentioned earlier - an Unofficial somewhere not a million miles from this end of the country, later in the summer, back end of August maybe, now there's no Malvern show. I reckon I might swing camping at BiL Tim's place, but I don't think he wants to host off-roading. Any good pay-an-plays in the hereford/worcester area? I'm sure we can find other stuff to keep us occupied apart from that. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > I also don't like 'shows' per se as much as I did, seen too many > landies to last a lifetime. I'm far more interested in the social > side and getting to meet old and new chums and yes, p'raps talk > bollocks about landies a little, but not to the point where I take any > of it too seriously :-) I find myself more and more surprised about how much I can talk about 101s when at a show, but for us a major reason for attending them is a weekend away from the usual grind, meeting with old friends, making new ones and giving the monsters a chance to hurtle around and have some independence away from the young scrotes at home. Lizzy
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