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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / May 2008BLOODY HELL !!! VEG OIL DEARER THAN DEISEL
Just been in Sainsburys £1.38 pl In 3l bottles Glad I bought some in Macro at 93p Pl John > Just been in Sainsburys £1.38 pl In 3l bottles > Glad I bought some in Macro at 93p Pl Last time I was in CostCo, about a month ago, the 20l tins of veg oil where £15.99 or 79.9p/l. I'll be going this week sometime it will be interesting to see what they are now... Last lot of dino diesel (14th May) was 121.9, previous lot 15 days earlier was 118.9 (+3p). I also noticed that the differential between diesel and unleaded was 11p. I'm sure it was only 9 or 10p not that long ago. B-(  SignatureCheers Dave. > Last time I was in CostCo, about a month ago, the 20l tins of veg oil > where £15.99 or 79.9p/l. I'll be going this week sometime it will be > interesting to see what they are now... Twas 18-ish on Saturday. Steve >> Just been in Sainsburys £1.38 pl In 3l bottles >> Glad I bought some in Macro at 93p Pl [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >was 118.9 (+3p). I also noticed that the differential between diesel and >unleaded was 11p. I'm sure it was only 9 or 10p not that long ago. B-( jammy git. pump price is 131.9 here and the fuel card ain't a lot less. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >> Last lot of dino diesel (14th May) was 121.9, previous lot 15 days earlier >> was 118.9 (+3p). I also noticed that the differential between diesel and >> unleaded was 11p. I'm sure it was only 9 or 10p not that long ago. B-( > > jammy git. pump price is 131.9 here and the fuel card ain't a lot less. I still think you lot should emigrate (I'd enjoy the company) - I feckin near died paying the equivalent of 65p for diesel today (and add about 12 quid per 1000km mileage tax... but an odometer can always "fail to work"). 91 octane petrol is about 78p... which is causing extreme consternation amongst the masses too. >>> Last lot of dino diesel (14th May) was 121.9, previous lot 15 days earlier >>> was 118.9 (+3p). I also noticed that the differential between diesel and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >work"). 91 octane petrol is about 78p... which is causing extreme >consternation amongst the masses too. yeah, I keep thinking about it. But it's not entirely as simple as it sounds - granting that I (for example) could sort a job and thus be allowed in, there's still the cost of actually getting there and all sorts of commitments here which I can't, for legal or moral reasons, walk out on. However, if I end up having to quit with the school contract 'cos they won't pay enough, it might change... SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > However, if I end up having to quit with the school contract 'cos they won't > pay enough, it might change... ISTR you needing $40K and a job or something like that, and even then they restrict immigration to something like a few thousand a year, don't seem to mind sending their bar staff out though ;-) A chap I know managed to get around it by having a dead-cert job that pays well with the backing of some top names in Motorsport, he's an illustrator working exclusively in the motorsport sector, doing illustrations for the V8 supercars series, he used to do F1 and knows most of the top team managers in the current crowd and some who are now in Oz, got a personal letter of support from Tom Walkinshaw and a few others to avoid the $40K requirement. Mind you he's still not made it through the beaurocracy, they keep telling him "next month", despite shortcutting like crazy, it's still taking him more than a year and he's got close family with aussie citizenship living there already. It's not like the old days when all you had to do was steal an apple. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/ >> Last lot of dino diesel (14th May) was 121.9, previous lot 15 days >> earlier was 118.9 (+3p). > jammy git. pump price is 131.9 here and the fuel card ain't a lot less. FECKING HELL! Been to Penrith this morning Morrisons was 124.9. I nearly drove into the back someone as I scrabbled on the floor looking for my jaw. B-) The 121.9 was Tesco M6 J43. I dread to think what price the local garages are, one doesn't have a sign up with prices on, never has had and I don't pass the other one often. SignatureCheers Dave. > >> Last lot of dino diesel (14th May) was 121.9, previous lot 15 days > >> earlier was 118.9 (+3p). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Been to Penrith this morning Morrisons was 124.9. I nearly drove into the > back someone as I scrabbled on the floor looking for my jaw. B-) I'm so glad I've bought my P38 on LPG..with the price at the local farm of 46 per litre, i'm nearly getting the same cost-per-mile that I got with my 2006 Volvo V50 diesel. I know that LPG won't stay low for ever, but I read somewhere that the government are committed to keeping the cost low for another year or 2....although knowing this p1ss poor excuse of a government they'll soon change their mind when the masses start taking advantage of LPG... Paul > FECKING HELL! Fuel prices in Wales are astronomical for some reason, when I was over there a few weeks back the prices were monstrous. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/ >> FECKING HELL! > > Fuel prices in Wales are astronomical for some reason, when I was over > there a few weeks back the prices were monstrous. I paid 10ppl more at Warwick services than I do at home. That said I only wet the bottom of the tank. Robbing barstewards. Lee D > Just been in Sainsburys £1.38 pl In 3l bottles > Glad I bought some in Macro at 93p Pl Supposedly we're heading for a 3p rise in diesel prices in the next week and a half, so given time, veg oil will be economical again ;-) SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/ > Supposedly we're heading for a 3p rise in diesel prices in the next > week and a half, Is that on top of the 3p last week? Some are forecasting $200/barrel by the end of the year. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7387203.stm That's double what is was at the begining of the year so lets say £2/l or more in early 2009. Austin, sort your contract price out based on at least that... SignatureCheers Dave. > Is that on top of the 3p last week? Some are forecasting $200/barrel by > the end of the year. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7387203.stm Looks like it; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7409166.stm That's if the reports are accurate of course. And it was 5p/litre rise, not 3p/litre as I thought. -------------------- The Petrol Retailers Association says that average prices could go up as much as 5 pence a litre by the weekend. "I expect that motorists and diesel users in particular are going to pay more at the pumps in the coming weeks, possibly as soon as the bank holiday, from where they are now," said Ray Holloway, director of the Petrol Retailers Association. "The simple reason is that the wholesale price of oil sent diesel up 3 pence last week and there's more to come." -------------------- I'll be off to fill up the pinz this morning then! Long journey at the weekend. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/ >> Supposedly we're heading for a 3p rise in diesel prices in the next >> week and a half, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >more in early 2009. Austin, sort your contract price out based on at least >that... fat chance. They've allowed the increase I asked for but say that it's now fixed for a year or they'll re-tender it. This is apparently because the requested rise is above the RPI. Which is in itself a con, seeing as how the govt. fix it to make it look good. Mind, if it goes too high I'll get onto them again. If they re-tender, I'll just up the rate on the tender anyway - and I know for a fact that they tried tendering for the "difficult" part of the route as a separate job, and got a silly price from the only person to actually send a tender in :-). The increase I requested should see it OK up to about 1.50 per litre - I added on the increased fuel cost when it was about 1.25, having gone up from about 1.00, and then added the same again. If it goes over 1.50 then they can either pay more or find some other mug, innit. Buggered if I know what they leave out of the RPI to make it as low as 3.summat % though - I can't think of anything that's not gone up in price, and road fuel and domestic fuel have gone up LOADS more than that. my diesel cost per week is now more than we pay for food for 3 of us. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! >> Austin, sort your contract price out based on at least that... > > fat chance. They've allowed the increase I asked for but say that it's > now fixed for a year or they'll re-tender it. A year from when they agreed the recent rise? I was sort of assuming that would have been a variation on the current contract. With a new tender/contract process for the next school year from September. > If they re-tender, I'll just up the rate on the tender anyway And so will everyone else *and* with a larger margin for fuel increases than last time. People won't make that mistake again, will they... B-) > Buggered if I know what they leave out of the RPI to make it as low as > 3.summat % though - I can't think of anything that's not gone up in > price, and road fuel and domestic fuel have gone up LOADS more than > that. I don't think the effects of increased energy costs have really trickled through to the household shopping basket yet. Food is more or less the same, there have been some increases in gas and lecky but nothing like that for oil/petrol/diesel. Mortgages have risen a bit due to the credit crunch but again not by much. So in yer average household shopping basket road fuel is only a relatively small part. Trouble is if you heat by oil not gas... > my diesel cost per week is now more than we pay for food for 3 of us. On average I fill up about every 8 days at £75 a time. The overall groceries bill for 4 is probably about the same by the time the £5 every other day in the local Co-op, the weekly Tesco run and monthly Costco are all taken into account. Haven't been to Costco yet this month, I need to look to see what we really *need*. Even though the saving on the beer more or less pays for the fuel to make the 100 mile round trip. The last cheque I'm owed landed on the mat this morning and I have an empty diary. B-( SignatureCheers Dave. >>> Austin, sort your contract price out based on at least that... >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >would have been a variation on the current contract. With a new >tender/contract process for the next school year from September. A year from the new rate. The contracts are only re-tendered when someone gives one up, or there's a major change in the route. PCV contracts are, I think, for either 3 or 5 years, but the non-PCV ones are open-ended. >> If they re-tender, I'll just up the rate on the tender anyway > >And so will everyone else *and* with a larger margin for fuel increases >than last time. People won't make that mistake again, will they... B-) This is true :-) I included a leeway in mine for fuel prices, but only the "normal" sort of increase by previous estimate, i.e. by now I'd expect it to be up about 5% from what it was last september, not 30% and still climbing. >> Buggered if I know what they leave out of the RPI to make it as low as >> 3.summat % though - I can't think of anything that's not gone up in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >crunch but again not by much. So in yer average household shopping basket >road fuel is only a relatively small part. gas is up quite a bit already and looking to be 40% by the end of the year, compared with last year. They had a big thing on WatO about it this lunchtime. one of the Scottish MPs is agitating for the VAT windfall that the govmint get from the hike in oil prices to be used to offset soem of the duty. >Trouble is if you heat by oil not gas... yeah, the domestic oil is also up by 30%+ and set to go higher. Thing is, now is cheap domestic oil time, traditionally. Wait and see what happens in about October :-( I reckon we need to check our tank and get it topped up, before it gets even more pricey. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > yeah, the domestic oil is also up by 30%+ and set to go higher. Thing is, > now is cheap domestic oil time, traditionally. Wait and see what happens in > about October :-( I topped my tank up in March, 49.5p/litre.. There's been a theft from an oil tank around here, with someone stealing 100-200 litres or so, sadly I hadn't taken enough notice of the levels in mine to really tell if I've been a victim or not. Must get a shotgun and a stool, and sit out at nights.. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/ > I topped my tank up in March, 49.5p/litre.. 48.85 8th Apr but if I'd ordered the next day it would have been nearer 51p/l. > There's been a theft from an oil tank around here, with someone stealing > 100-200 litres or so, sadly I hadn't taken enough notice of the levels > in mine to really tell if I've been a victim or not. I've seen reasonable media reports of oil theft but AFAIK there has been none up here. I do keep a regular check on the level to feed the spread sheet which projects when I'll next need oil. Currently says middle of November, that's probably about right. SignatureCheers Dave. > I've seen reasonable media reports of oil theft but AFAIK there has been > none up here. I do keep a regular check on the level to feed the spread > sheet which projects when I'll next need oil. Currently says middle of > November, that's probably about right. Yeah, I've got a similar spreadsheet, but after the recent oil fillup I got, I've not checked the levels and updated the sheet. I'll do it once I'm back from this weekend's hols and see if I've been diddled! Might have to look at using the immersion heater instead, or even moving to a gas system, no piped gas out here but the previous owners had a large gas tank buried in the garden, that was removed when a developer bought the house and sandwiched another house into the garden, as they do. Mind you, on the other hand, it does mean I have large amounts of what could be used as road fuel at a much cheaper price, I might be tempted to do so if I knew what effect kerosene had on a 1.9Tdi Audi engine, or if I had to commute rather than make the occasional journey. I don't spend much on fuel due to low mileage so it's not worth me doing all these dodges yet. Might even look into CHP systems, basically a small engine that drives an electric generator and uses the exhaust to heat the water for the house. The electric that isn't used by the house gets sold to the grid. Basically I'm chewing through close to 100 quid of electric a month at the moment.. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/ > Might even look into CHP systems, basically a small engine that > drives an electric generator and uses the exhaust to heat the water > for the house. The electric that isn't used by the house gets sold to > the grid. I wondered about them too. Great in Winter, but how efficient would it be at this time of year, when you can't use the heat ? Steve > I wondered about them too. Great in Winter, but how efficient would it > be at this time of year, when you can't use the heat ? ISTR that the CHP systems also have a conventional engine radiator positioned outside, so when the house doesn't need the heat, they vent it outside. That's from memory though so don't quote me on that! SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/ > Might have to look at using the immersion heater instead, It's close(*) depends what your unit price is unless you have E7, in which case the immersion will be considerably cheaper than oil in the cheap rate period. > Mind you, on the other hand, it does mean I have large amounts of what > could be used as road fuel at a much cheaper price, I might be tempted > to do so if I knew what effect kerosene had on a 1.9Tdi Audi engine, Kero is marked yellow and has hidden markers as well, just like red diesel. I'm not sure how a car engine would react to kero but HMR&C wouldn't like it one little bit... > Might even look into CHP systems, With your lecky demand it might be worth it but what do you with the heat in the summer? (*) I have a very nasty feeling even normal rate (8 or 9p/unit) is going to be cheaper than oil rather sooner than we expected not that long ago. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7414093.stm http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/commodities /28696/twelve_month.stm $135/barrel today... That's over $20 in less than a month. This is not sustainable, something is going to break. SignatureCheers Dave. On Friday, in article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.k1b19p0.pminews@srv1.howhill.net> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7414093.stm > http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/commodities > /28696/twelve_month.stm > > $135/barrel today... That's over $20 in less than a month. This is not > sustainable, something is going to break. I've seen it suggested that there's insane amounts of money floating around in the futures markets, looking for "safe" investments. It used to be in real estate and US Treasury bonds. There's certainly been some funny stuff happening on the Chicago exchanges; normally the value of a futures contract, as the due date gets closer, reflects the difference between the nominal price and the spot market. Things haven't worked out, and the physical markets, which use futures to hedge against price variations, have been seeing more than the usual amount of money vanishing when the futures are settled. This isn't Adam Smith's world any more. SignatureDavid G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger. On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins. > This isn't Adam Smith's world any more. Except ultimately it always is. The "value" created in the sub-prime market and manipulations of the financial instruments around it created "nothing" Steve > gas is up quite a bit already and looking to be 40% by the end of the > year, compared with last year. Hum, my last oil purchases: 9th Jan 2007 - 28.12 4th Jun 2007 - 30.25 21st Dec 2007 - 40.59 8th Apr 2008 - 48.85 So 2007 saw a 30% rise from the price at the begining of the year and 73% from Jan 2007 to Apr 2008. Even if you take the June 2007 to Apr 2008 rise that is 61%. Gas hasn't risen anything like that, if it had there would be one helluva noise. For fun I just checked www.silvey.co.uk to get a *rough* price guide, that has just returned 60.92p/l. My local supplier is normally about 2p/l cheaper, call it 59p/l and we are nearly in June, so June 2007 to June 2008 and a 95% rise!!!! > one of the Scottish MPs is agitating for the VAT windfall that the > govmint get from the hike in oil prices to be used to offset soem of the > duty. Feck the duty there is no duty on heating oil! I'd rather some control on the price of heating oil. I have a (limited) choice in how much I use the car but not in how much the boiler burns. Either control the price of heating oil or give 100% grants to every one (not just the benefit spongers and elderly) to improve the insulation of their homes. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 30 to 50% reduction in our oil consumption if this place was insulated to even low modern standards. This ticks the "green" box as it means much less fossil CO2 from our boilers flue. > yeah, the domestic oil is also up by 30%+ and set to go higher. Thing > is, now is cheap domestic oil time, traditionally. Wait and see what > happens in about October :-( I'm going to be watching the price of crude quite closely this summer if (big *IF*) it drops back I'll be watching heating oil prices. SignatureCheers Dave. >Feck the duty there is no duty on heating oil! I'd rather some control on >the price of heating oil. I have a (limited) choice in how much I use the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >place was insulated to even low modern standards. This ticks the "green" >box as it means much less fossil CO2 from our boilers flue. There is VAT on it though. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > There is VAT on it though. True but I'd rather HMG spent the fuel VAT windfall on energy conservation measures rather than reducing road fuel duty or even building a few nuke power plants. SignatureCheers Dave. >> There is VAT on it though. > >True but I'd rather HMG spent the fuel VAT windfall on energy conservation >measures rather than reducing road fuel duty or even building a few nuke >power plants. yeah, well, they could do that, they could even (shock, horror) spend some of the money they garner from motorists on credible plans to improve public transport... ho ho. There should have been a plan in place 10 years ago to rebuild a half-decent rail network. But of course, the government don't do that sort of thing any more, it's all privatised, along with the buses and so on. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > yeah, well, they could do that, they could even (shock, horror) spend > some of the money they garner from motorists on credible plans to > improve publictransport... ho ho. Yep, I'd go for that as well. The county council have just stopped the subsidy on any buses that go outside the county. The county council thinks that people only need to get to their nearest local center, within the county. The fact that Hexham, Penrith or Carlisle are all more or less equidistant (in fact Hexham might be a tad closer than Penrith) doesn't come into it. I appreciate that running a bus with only a couple of people on it does not make sense but the alternative they point to is "Rural Wheels". How ever you have to apply for and have a "smartcard" before you can use it. It costs 30p/mile (might be 40), only runs 9-5 M-F and you have to book it by phone at least two working days in advance during working hours. And I'm not sure that'll run outside the county either. > There should have been a plan in place 10 years ago to rebuild a > half-decent rail network. But of course, the government don't do that > sort of thing any more, it's all privatised, along with the buses and so > on. I think Network Rail gets the vast majority of its money from HMG, it may be a private company but it's still publically funded. Not that that makes a great deal of difference no government for a very long time has considered rail to be an important means of transport. The road transport lobby has been much stronger... SignatureCheers Dave. >>There is VAT on it though. > > True but I'd rather HMG spent the fuel VAT windfall on energy conservation > measures rather than reducing road fuel duty or even building a few nuke > power plants. Of course it's not a windfall unless someone other than the government benefits! Then they're fair game to be ripped off. >>>There is VAT on it though. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Of course it's not a windfall unless someone other than the government >benefits! Then they're fair game to be ripped off. yeah, they're already making noises about windfall taxes on shell et al. To be sure, they did postpone a 2p+vat hike in duty. But then, that's less than they've already got in additional vat on the increase since about last November. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms... ------------------------------------------------\ >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them. a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too! > Just been in Sainsburys £1.38 pl In 3l bottles > Glad I bought some in Macro at 93p Pl > > John Was in WingYips (Croydon) and bought 100l for 90p pl. 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