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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / July 2008

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idris - 18 Jul 2008 20:18 GMT
Both the middle and rear boxes have failed the mot on my 110 v8, its a 3.5.

It already has tubular mainifolds so this is an opportunity to improve
the rest of the system. It does a fair bit off road so a stainlees
system is questionnable as may well get ripped off before I get much
wear out of it.

Ideas for improving sound and power iutput anyone?

Gerald
Tom Woods - 18 Jul 2008 21:47 GMT
> Ideas for improving sound and power iutput anyone?
>
> Gerald

Dont fit any more than one silencer. The 101 only has the one box and
sounds great even with a stock exhaust! :)
idris - 18 Jul 2008 21:52 GMT
>> Ideas for improving sound and power iutput anyone?
>>
>> Gerald
>
> Dont fit any more than one silencer. The 101 only has the one box and
> sounds great even with a stock exhaust! :)

Which is best, middle or back? Standard or different items?

Gerald
Lee_D - 19 Jul 2008 18:25 GMT
>>> Ideas for improving sound and power iutput anyone?
>>>
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>
> Gerald

Back pressure is important in an exhaust system so I understand. Removing a
box will affect this. 101's sound great but are not renowned for their
performance. I think the idea on the 101 as with the V8 Police carriers
(sadly now a thing of the past) was to strike fear in to the hearts of any
adversary before slowly trundling up (and breaking down in the case of the
carriers!). Any twin exhaust system will need to be balanced , I'm guessing
your front pipes already do this and they merge before the boxes?

Lee D
Tom Woods - 20 Jul 2008 23:40 GMT
On 19 Jul, 18:25, "Lee_D" <newsgroupsNOS...@NOSPAMlrproject.com>
wrote:

> 101's sound great but are not renowned for their
> performance.

Want a go in mine now? :) Its quicker off the mark than my car! it
feels like its actually got some performance!
I got into the fast lane on the M6 on saturday whilst going uphill!

I'll knock on when i'm going past sometime and you can remind yourself
what a proper land rover feels like :)
Pete M - 21 Jul 2008 00:33 GMT
> On 19 Jul, 18:25, "Lee_D" <newsgroupsNOS...@NOSPAMlrproject.com>
> wrote:
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> I'll knock on when i'm going past sometime and you can remind yourself
> what a proper land rover feels like :)

Mine's got a TD exhaust on, with the turbo it makes a rather fabulous
noise. Best bit is pulling up next to someone in a TDi Disco, eyeing up
their "Superchip" type stickers, grinning, and only hitting the turbo
coming into play as you're overtaking 'em.

V8 burble followed by turbo wastegate noise tends to piss 'em right off.

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Tom Woods - 21 Jul 2008 10:54 GMT
> > On 19 Jul, 18:25, "Lee_D" <newsgroupsNOS...@NOSPAMlrproject.com>
> > wrote:
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>
> V8 burble followed by turbo wastegate noise tends to piss 'em right off.

Yes - That does sound like the ideal exhaust noise! :)

My old turbo saab sounds great (with a bigger exhaust and a single
silencer), and so does the V8. I can imagine a hybrid of the two is
like the ultimate exhaust noise :)
Ian Rawlings - 21 Jul 2008 11:32 GMT
> My old turbo saab sounds great (with a bigger exhaust and a single
> silencer), and so does the V8. I can imagine a hybrid of the two is
> like the ultimate exhaust noise :)

Well, a turbo on the exhaust can muffle the exhaust note, I've heard a
V8 without a turbo and the same v8 with a turbo fitted afterwards and
it certainly sounded better without the turbo.  The Lotus Esprit V8
has twin turbos and doesn't sound as good as a turboless V8 too.
Still sounds nice though!

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EMB - 21 Jul 2008 12:07 GMT
> Well, a turbo on the exhaust can muffle the exhaust note, I've heard a
> V8 without a turbo and the same v8 with a turbo fitted afterwards and
> it certainly sounded better without the turbo.  The Lotus Esprit V8
> has twin turbos and doesn't sound as good as a turboless V8 too.
> Still sounds nice though!

Turbo = "rotary muffler".  The gentleman who bought my last racecar
(sans engine) fitted a turbocharged Chev V8 in place of the naturally
aspirated V8 I had used.  When I drove it after this most of the
adrenalin rush had disappeared along with the exhaust note despite it
being significantly quicker.
Tom Woods - 21 Jul 2008 14:45 GMT
> > Well, a turbo on the exhaust can muffle the exhaust note, I've heard a
> > V8 without a turbo and the same v8 with a turbo fitted afterwards and
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> adrenalin rush had disappeared along with the exhaust note despite it
> being significantly quicker.

I dont know - If you do the exhaust right you can get a nice burble
out of a turbo too. My saab has like a slightly reduced v8 burble by
adding a better flowing downpipe and silencer.

On the saab the burble is down to the manifold layout - Its an unequal
length one to start with and changing it to an equal length one seems
to remove the burble (though increases power i believe).

Perhaps the special 101 manifold increases the amount of v8 burble?
Ian Rawlings - 21 Jul 2008 14:58 GMT
> I dont know - If you do the exhaust right you can get a nice burble
> out of a turbo too. My saab has like a slightly reduced v8 burble by
> adding a better flowing downpipe and silencer.

You *can* make a turbo car sound nice, but if you put the same effort
into a non-turbo car, it'd sound even nicer ;-)  I had it explained to
me once, but I forgot the reasoning, but it was something to do with
the pops from the cylinders being blended by the turbo and it ruins
the harmonics or the angle of the dangle, or whatnot.

> Perhaps the special 101 manifold increases the amount of v8 burble?

Just whack a hole in it!

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Steve Taylor - 21 Jul 2008 15:10 GMT
> You *can* make a turbo car sound nice, but if you put the same effort
> into a non-turbo car, it'd sound even nicer ;-)  I had it explained to
> me once, but I forgot the reasoning, but it was something to do with
> the pops from the cylinders being blended by the turbo and it ruins
> the harmonics or the angle of the dangle, or whatnot.

Plus a fair old whack of energy is being pulled back into the inlet from
the outlet- energy lost to nice burbly V8 noises.

Steve
Nige - 22 Jul 2008 08:44 GMT
>> I dont know - If you do the exhaust right you can get a nice burble
>> out of a turbo too. My saab has like a slightly reduced v8 burble by
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>
> Just whack a hole in it!

Like it won't already have one :)

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Steve Taylor - 22 Jul 2008 09:13 GMT
>>> Perhaps the special 101 manifold increases the amount of v8 burble?
>> Just whack a hole in it!
>
> Like it won't already have one :)

No, no, we crack them specially.

Steve
Ian Rawlings - 22 Jul 2008 09:30 GMT
> No, no, we crack them specially.

I always suspected you of having a smoking crack pipe!

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